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Do you ever yearn to take a break from being 100% serious all the time?

But fine. Here's a breakdown of our welfare spending:


There's been a recent rise in welfare spending due to the introduction of the NDIS and the governments childcare package, though here's the paragraph on sustainability:



Also you linked an article comparing Australia's welfare system with the rest of the world to say that it's good. Just because everyone else is rubbish doesn't make the least worst good (and besides...your article mentioned Denmark spend 80% more than we do).

Now my specific beef with our welfare system is that unemployment benefits aren't enough to get you above the poverty line unless you qualify for every extra support payment in which case you eke fractionally above it. Our economic system requires roughly 5% unemployment, but unemployed people are always targeted as slackers despite the largest group of long term unemployed being aged 55-64 (see below:)


If history is any guide, you'll pick one point out of this post and argue hard while ignoring the rest, while I'll get bored and wander off.

Of course I relax. Pretty laid back in the daily update thread. Probably because its full of positive news.

Interesting that you are accusing me of cherry picking straight after doing it yourself. You mention Denmark spending 80% more but fail to mention how they get very little from that increased spending. The reason I go so hard is half the posters replaying don't argue in good faith. When I point out their mistakes they usually ignore the post.

The fact is if Australia's welfare system isn't good enough for you then perhaps are expectations are a little skewed.

As for sustainability the biggest grow factors are population growth (thanks Kevin Rudd) , NDIS and the pension.

Immigration is its own hot topic but suffice to say I support a reduction, the pension is being reduced by compulsory super. Would support an increase in mandatory contributions and less government tax on them. As for NDIS, medicine is expensive and will continue to be so. If it grows substantially then maybe we need to look at cuts elsewhere. Can't have everything.

The fact is welfare is supposed to be a safety net not a way of life.

The largess we have seen in the past few weeks has already got few saying 'why can't we have this always?' I think its pretty damn obvious why we can't.
 
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Of course I relax. Pretty laid back in the daily update thread. Probably because its full of positive news.

Interesting that you are accusing me of cherry picking straight after doing it yourself. You mention Denmark spending 80% more but fail to mention how they get very little from that increased spending. The reason I go so hard is half the posters replaying don't argue in good faith. When I point out their mistakes they usually ignore the post.

The fact is if Australia's welfare system isn't good enough for you then perhaps are expectations are a little skewed.

As for sustainability the biggest grow factors are population growth (thanks Kevin Rudd) , NDIS and the pension.

Immigration is its own hot topic but suffice to say I support a reduction, the pension is being reduced by compulsory super. Would support an increase in mandatory contributions and less government tax on them. As for NDIS, medicine is expensive and will continue to be so. If it grows substantially then maybe we need to look at cuts elsewhere. Can't have everything.

The fact is welfare is supposed to be a safety net not a way of life.

The largess we have seen in the past few weeks has already got few saying 'why can't we have this always?' I think its pretty damn obvious why we can't.
For a long time now immigration has been the only thing holding us out of recession.

stagnant wage growth which has been a deliberate coalition policy has left us without options
 
For a long time now immigration has been the only thing holding us out of recession.

stagnant wage growth which has been a deliberate coalition policy has left us without options

The problem is immigration now is not for 'needed occupations' but as a way to supress wages.

There is no western country in the world that needs unskilled labour. Yet they keep on importing it why? It's going to get even worse once robotics cuts into jobs.
 

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The problem is immigration now is not for 'needed occupations' but as a way to supress wages.

There is no western country in the world that needs unskilled labour. Yet they keep on importing it why? It's going to get even worse once robotics cuts into jobs.
My god maxxy

i believe we have found common ground.
 
Err how is this appropriate?

Are you celebrating their deaths? What exactly is this image supposed to represent?

The top 7 states for Covid 19 cases in the US voted Democrat last election. They make up something like 64% of all US cases.
Its referencing the maga hat wearers breaking quarantine and catching covid and dying as a result.

its entirely appropriate. Darwinism at its finest.

As a direct result of them going out of their homes against the lockdown rules they endanger everyone. I have precisely zero sympathy for them.
 
Its referencing the maga hat wearers breaking quarantine and catching covid and dying as a result.

its entirely appropriate. Darwinism at its finest.

As a direct result of them going out of their homes against the lockdown rules they endanger everyone. I have precisely zero sympathy for them.

So Democrats dying due to being packed into cities with high population density is also Darwinism?

LOL @ Dead Democrats.
 

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So Democrats dying due to being packed into cities with high population density is also Darwinism?

LOL @ Dead Democrats.
Living in cities with high density isnt something theyve deliberately done to flout an authority thats trying to save their lives and in the process risked other peoples lives from asymptomatic transmission.

what a stupid comparison.
 
So Democrats being all
Living in cities with high density isnt something theyve deliberately done to flout an authority thats trying to save their lives and in the process risked other peoples lives from asymptomatic transmission.

what a stupid comparison.

But it is something they have deliberately done despite knowing the risks involved.

The Covid 19 virus does not care about your political affliation.

Protesting a crowd = Covid 19 loves you.

Living in a population dense city = Covid 19 loves you.

The fact is far more Democrats are going to die because they lived in a city then Trump republican's will do from protesting.

Either way this will be my last post here this should all be in the Trump thread.
 
Duuuuuuuude.

So choosing to live in a densely populated city is just as irresponsible as flouting social distancing rules while the Covid pandemic rages on?

Sure, those things are the same. pffft.

Troll account confirmed.
Thats why its his last post - hes just achieved self awareness and has realised how badly that post jumped the shark.
 

Sadly I think far more people are going to die from the economic fallout of the virus then the virus itself.


Harvard study of the Economic downturn linked it to 260k deaths from lack of medical treatment from Cancer alone in the US.

The USA (and the rest of the world) are probably looking at something far worse then the GFC.

Its not going to be good.
 
For a long time now immigration has been the only thing holding us out of recession.

stagnant wage growth which has been a deliberate coalition policy has left us without options

I'm not sure about your second point. Wage growth driven by enhance productivity would be welcomed by any government. Wage growth without productivity gains isn't all that helpful. (Unless you are an MMT type)

Or are you suggesting that the Coalition is pro-immigration to reduce the chances of going into recession (but with a consequence of stagnant wage growth)?
 
I'm not sure about your second point. Wage growth driven by enhance productivity would be welcomed by any government. Wage growth without productivity gains isn't all that helpful. (Unless you are an MMT type)

Or are you suggesting that the Coalition is pro-immigration to reduce the chances of going into recession (but with a consequence of stagnant wage growth)?

Worker productivity has continued to rise over the years while wages have stagnated. Capital productivity on the other hand has tanked. Too many executives on huge salaries for not doing much.

This data is from the US, but it covers the basics of worker productivity increasing while compensation doesn't keep up:


Current economic policy is totally out of whack for what it's supporters think it's trying to achieve.
 
Worker productivity has continued to rise over the years while wages have stagnated. Capital productivity on the other hand has tanked. Too many executives on huge salaries for not doing much.

This data is from the US, but it covers the basics of worker productivity increasing while compensation doesn't keep up:


Current economic policy is totally out of whack for what it's supporters think it's trying to achieve.


Article from last year. Australia has low productivity and it leads to low wage growth.


Do we agree that wage increases can't come before productivity increases?

Too many executives on huge salaries? Yep. Agreed. Too many of our best minds in law firms and finance, not enough in industries that invent things.
 
Sadly I think far more people are going to die from the economic fallout of the virus then the virus itself.


Harvard study of the Economic downturn linked it to 260k deaths from lack of medical treatment from Cancer alone in the US.

The USA (and the rest of the world) are probably looking at something far worse then the GFC.

Its not going to be good.
Well

the us spent 15 000 000 000 000

1.5 billion dollars to slow down stock market line for 1/2 an hour.

that around 4000 dollars per american to try stop rich people lose money.

id suggest that they could do what australia is doing and give people an income till this is through and lock the place down till its gone.
 
Article from last year. Australia has low productivity and it leads to low wage growth.


Do we agree that wage increases can't come before productivity increases?

Too many executives on huge salaries? Yep. Agreed. Too many of our best minds in law firms and finance, not enough in industries that invent things.

I suspect we agree on quite a lot, but your article is paywalled.
 
Article from last year. Australia has low productivity and it leads to low wage growth.


Do we agree that wage increases can't come before productivity increases?

Too many executives on huge salaries? Yep. Agreed. Too many of our best minds in law firms and finance, not enough in industries that invent things.

Government ties business down in compliance red tape and then sooks about low productivity.

God knows how much time gets wasted making sure you have the correct SDS sheets for dishwashing liquid in the staff kitchen etc.
 

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