The possibility of Essendon innocence: a travesty of justice or conspiracy theory for the ages?

[SSSSSS]

Drug cheating scum. End of.

 

[ferrisb]

Give us back our 2 x 1st round draft picks, 2 x 2nd round draft picks, Jake Carlisle, Michael Hibberd, Paddy Ryder and Stewart Crameri all at their peak... and our elimination final loss... oh wait...

Nothing will happen. It’s over, let’s move on.

Do Carlton get to keep our win over Richmond from 9th?

I know it's a far cry from actually winning premierships, but for success-starved fans like us, it was one helluva hoot.

 

[Thrawn]

WADA couldn’t even prove substance was even within 100km radius of Windy Hill let alone in anyone’s eyeball or arse. Same organisation that refused to investigate Russian olympians with a tonne of way more stronger direct evidence.

Still sore from Richard Young I see?

 

[The Warlord]

Hey I wonder if the Bombers are dropping all this stuff out today because its also the same day they are trading once in a generation key forward father son Joe Daniher for unders coz he's dirty on the club after they made his injuries worse playing him when he wasn't fit this year?

 

[The Warlord]

Anyone reckon those things might be linked?

 

[Davo23]

Can we give Jobe back his medal, in return for permanently removing Timmy from the airwaves?

I will be eternally grateful.


Davo23

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Still sore from Richard Young I see?

Putin’s mate

 

[The Warlord]

Putin’s mate

So where do the saucer people and the reverse vampires fit in.

 

[legend166]

That's an incredibly poor article.

Really do have to wonder what is the motivation behind releasing it today.

 

[The Donners]

Hey I wonder if the Bombers are dropping all this stuff out today because its also the same day they are trading once in a generation key forward father son Joe Daniher for unders coz he's dirty on the club after they made his injuries worse playing him when he wasn't fit this year?

Mate, we get it, you hate Essendon but just stay in the Bay if you’re going to make up bullshit.

 

[The Warlord]

That's an incredibly poor article.

Really do have to wonder what is the motivation behind releasing it today.

The fact that their most talented player since James Hird is going to be at your mob in a few hours?

For massive unders too on what he'd be worth if they hadn't stuffed his rehab?

 

[CakeEater]

Can we give Jobe back his medal, in return for permanently removing Timmy from the airwaves?

I will be eternally grateful.


Davo23

Jobe is on the airways as well.

Its not what you know- its whom.

 

[The Warlord]

Mate, we get it, you hate Essendon but just stay in the Bay if you’re going to make up bullshit.

It is absolute basic media management 101.

Essendon have got pretty good at it of late.

 

[74561347]

I'm sure this article will lead to further well-balanced, respectful discussion on BigFooty.

shutup nerd

 

[The Warlord]

I just read the Ziggy - who played guitar, played it left hand - report and OMG what a joke.

Its like a Year 10 book report.

 

[blue harvest]

ASADA receive their banned substances list from WADA. ASADA evidently failed to update their website for a couple of years. That’s quite plausible.

That's what the fanbois want you to believe but is not the case.

TB4 was never explicitly listed on any WADA banned list either. It was banned under S2 which covers a broad range of peptides and growth factors without naming each and every substance. Below is the wording from 2010. It would also be covered by the catch all S0 clause which prohibits stuff that has not been approved for human therapeutic use. At a later point after the Bombers saga TB4 was explicitly added to the list in order to make it very clear that you cannot use it. The Herald Sun report said WADA didn't explicitly add it until 2018, well after ASADA reportedly changed their 'check your substance' website results. This whole "ASADA's list was out of date compared with WADA and they quickly fixed it" narrative is complete horse shit. It was always banned under S2 or S0 and ASADA was using the up to date prohibited list from that year. It was then explicitly named to make it even clearer that it was banned.

From 2012
S2. PEPTIDE HORMONES, GROWTH FACTORS AND RELATED SUBSTANCES
The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
1. Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)];
2. Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males;
3. Insulins;
4. Corticotrophins;
5. Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching; and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).

From 2018
S2. PEPTIDE HORMONES, GROWTH FACTORS, RELATED SUBSTANCES, AND MIMETICS
3. Growth Factors and Growth Factor Modulators, including, but not limited to: Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs); Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF); Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) and its analogues; Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs); Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF); Thymosin-β4 and its derivatives e.g. TB-500; Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF).

 

[The Donners]

That's what the fanbois want you to believe but is not the case.

TB4 was never explicitly listed on any WADA banned list either. It was banned under S2 which covers a broad range of peptides and growth factors without naming each and every substance. Below is the wording from 2010. It would also be covered by the catch all S0 clause which prohibits stuff that has not been approved for human therapeutic use. At a later point after the Bombers saga TB4 was explicitly added to the list in order to make it very clear that you cannot use it. The Herald Sun report said WADA didn't explicitly add it until 2018, well after ASADA reportedly changed their 'check your substance' website results. This whole "ASADA's list was out of date compared with WADA and they quickly fixed it" narrative is complete horse shit. It was always banned under S2 or S0 and ASADA was using the up to date prohibited list from that year. It was then explicitly named to make it even clearer that it was banned.

From 2012
S2. PEPTIDE HORMONES, GROWTH FACTORS AND RELATED SUBSTANCES
The following substances and their releasing factors are prohibited:
1. Erythropoiesis-Stimulating Agents [e.g. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin (dEPO), hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers, methoxy polyethylene glycol-epoetin beta (CERA), peginesatide (Hematide)];
2. Chorionic Gonadotrophin (CG) and Luteinizing Hormone (LH) in males;
3. Insulins;
4. Corticotrophins;
5. Growth Hormone (GH), Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs), Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF), Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs), Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF), Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) as well as any other growth factor affecting muscle, tendon or ligament protein synthesis/degradation, vascularisation, energy utilization, regenerative capacity or fibre type switching; and other substances with similar chemical structure or similar biological effect(s).

From 2018
S2. PEPTIDE HORMONES, GROWTH FACTORS, RELATED SUBSTANCES, AND MIMETICS
3. Growth Factors and Growth Factor Modulators, including, but not limited to: Fibroblast Growth Factors (FGFs); Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF); Insulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1) and its analogues; Mechano Growth Factors (MGFs); Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF); Thymosin-β4 and its derivatives e.g. TB-500; Vascular-Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF).

I’m not reading all that. I don’t really care to be quite honest, I think most Essendon supporters were over it a number of years ago. Sorry for wasting your time.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Have Slobbo and Bruce Francis ever been seen in the same room?

 

[The Warlord]

Have Slobbo and Bruce Francis ever been seen in the same room?

Remember when Fruce paid for Martin Hardie to fly up to Fruce's house and then Martin paid out on poor old Fruce's microwaved meals, then Fruce hit back by pointing out that he's disabled so not exactly up to spending hours in the kitchen?

 

[lollol]

Hey I wonder if the Bombers are dropping all this stuff out today because its also the same day they are trading once in a generation key forward father son Joe Daniher for unders coz he's dirty on the club after they made his injuries worse playing him when he wasn't fit this year?

#Daniher4free?

Maybe.... just maybe

 

[blue harvest]

I’m not reading all that. I don’t really care to be quite honest, I think most Essendon supporters were over it a number of years ago. Sorry for wasting your time.

It was more of an fyi for anyone making the same mistake believing this latest horse shit about ASADA's list being out of date.

 

[WillHayward]

Regardless of what you think of the club, Hird, Robinson or Dank, the players have been utterly stitched up.

- pushed back against the program to get clarity that it was in line with wada
- interviewed with asada without the presence of legal counsel on the basis that the investigation was about Dank, not about them
- names smeared in the press through a coordinated leak of exaggerated information and often complete untruths
- banned from the 2013 finals series after a 14 win season
- twice cleared by Australian tribunals in 2014 and 2015
- banned again in 2016 by a Swiss court based on a ‘strands in a cable’ analogy that has no legal precedent
- Dank and Robinson suffer no penalties
- Abused (both them and their families including children) publicly in the streets for being drug cheats

A stitch up and a disgrace.

Fair enough go the club, fair enough go the people in charge, fair enough to the blokes who did this at cronulla, GCS, Essendon and probably Geelong, but the players don’t deserve this miscarriage of justice.

Delusional post.

Injecting players and keeping no records (or destroying records) is, on its own, enough to justify all of the punishment plus more.

The reality is Hird thought he was on to some genius secret plan but he wasnt. He stuffed up big time. Accept it.

 

[Boxhead_31]

#givejobehismedalback

No-one that wears double denim as much as Jobe doesn't deserve the medal back

 

[Boxhead_31]

WADA couldn’t even prove substance was even within 100km radius of Windy Hill let alone in anyone’s eyeball or arse. Same organisation that refused to investigate Russian olympians with a tonne of way more stronger direct evidence.

Well, except for those test results that came back with artificially high levels of insulin you mean

 

[Ice-Wolf]

LOL they were never innocent, pushing this line again just shows how little a clue those trying to defend them have. If a drug is not approved for human use it is banned as far as the WADA code is concerned it doesn't need to be on a list.