Eh, not really. One of the signs of a good finals team is their defense. Richmond's 3rd in terms of scores against this year, North was 13th last year, suggesting that North's finals appearance bucked the trend. In reality, the two gameplans are fairly different. Richmond also haven't been blown out of the water like North were last year.
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Eh, not really. One of the signs of a good finals team is their defense. Richmond's 3rd in terms of scores against this year, North was 13th last year, suggesting that North's finals appearance bucked the trend. In reality, the two gameplans are fairly different. Richmond also haven't been blown out of the water like North were last year.
there are as many as 20 with serious questions about them. they have serious flaws and have shown time and time again they will fold under real pressure. its this that is the biggest flaw in the list. its called depth or lack thereof.
some may go on to become decent players but performances to date must have alarm bells ringing with all of em.
only a fool would say we have good depth. we most certainly lack quality and polish in far too many areas.
some may go on to become decent players but performances to date must have alarm bells ringing with all of em.
only a fool would say we have good depth. we most certainly lack quality and polish in far too many areas.
Lol, we beat you by 10 goals a few weeks back. If that's not getting blown out of the water I don't know what is.
But you are correct. Richmond are yet to beat a genuine top 4 side like North did last year (Collingwood). But you have a few chances to before the end of the year to change that.
yeah how wrong can he be, he thinks we have two good kpfs id like to know who they are. me i see just one.
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Interesting that when Freo lose to Richmond with 5 players missing it's not a scalp, but when Richmond lose to Essendon with 5 players missing it's a realty check and an indication of where they're really at.
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we also haven't played GWS (away) or Brisbane Lions (home). so that pretty much cancels out the fact we haven't played Hawthorn or Sydney yet. oh and by the way we flogged Sydney and Hawthorn last year.
when you are sitting 6th on the ladder, all you have to do is beat the sides below you on the ladder and you are in the finals. there are only 5 sides above us after all. the reality is that we dont have to beat the sides above us when we are sitting 6th on the ladder!!!
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i generally agree with you. we need to continue evolving our list to move into the top 4 contender category. we are getting closer though, and a win over sydney (altough very unlikely IMO) would open up the top 4 as far as Richmond are concerned
We were comparing North of 2012 to Richmond of 2013. In 2012, North lost to Hawthorn by, what 115 points? Has Richmond lost to anyone by that margin this year? Then there was the loss to Fremantle by 53 points, and the 16 goal loss to North. I repeat, last year North were 13th in scores against, and that doesn't include the West Coast debacle where you lost by 16 goals. Richmond are currently 3rd. But by all means, keep using Richmond as the measuring stick to convince yourself that North last year and Richmond this year are just the same, even though they have very different gameplans.
You beat Collingwood when Cloke and Dawes were struggling. This year has proven that Collingwood's top four placing was misleading.
gotta disagree the similarities are scary.
of course they play a different style to us but we arent comparing game plans or structures but performance and results.
look at the close games we lost last yr look at north this yr. the outcomes and performances are very similar apart from the odd game.games won at the same stage are similar. losses to sides they should defeat has happened to them this yr just like we lost a few last yr.they played some fantastic footy against good sides this yr but couldnt quite get over the line much like us last yr.you can go on and on the similarities are very much there.
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Why can't more people be like you? Nice work on life.
Why not? It seems critically important to compare. And yes, I am comparing performance and results, the result of North's season last year is 13th in scores against, it's fairly rare for a team to sit in 13th in scores against and make the finals. So North's season was in part, an anomaly, and their gameplan was bound to unravel in finals, which it did. And I can't remember Richmond coughing up that many goals as quickly as North did against Fremantle or Port, or losing to any side by 100 poinrs, like North did. North's defensive frailties last year are more prominent than Richmond's frailties this year.
Dude, relax. You don't need to justify Richmond's place in the 8 by picking out data that suits your argument (with yourself). You deserve to be there, just like North deserved to be there last year.
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Richmond players hotel might be a few metres away from the SCG for the Sunday game but you have to actually play the game first.
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Is it just me but when a player is out for suspension (Pavlich) then you cannot complain you are missing them because it is completely different to an injury and is the players own fault?
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North were gifted GWS and GC twice last year...thats why they made the finals/
How many teams aboe them have freo beaten?
anyone?
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As of round 17 against top 8 sides
1. Cats M9 W7
2. Bombers M6 W4
3. Hawks M5 W3
4. Port M5 W2
5. Swans M6 W2 D1
6. Freo M7 W2 D1
7. Tiges M6 W2
8. Lions M6 W2
9. North M7 W2
10. Pies M7 W2
11. Crows M7 W1
12. Dogs M7 W1
13.Carl M8 W1
14. Eagles M7 W0
15. Saints M7 W0
16. Suns M7 W0
17. GWS M7 W0
18. Melb M7 W
1. Cats M9 W7
2. Bombers M6 W4
3. Hawks M5 W3
4. Port M5 W2
5. Swans M6 W2 D1
6. Freo M7 W2 D1
7. Tiges M6 W2
8. Lions M6 W2
9. North M7 W2
10. Pies M7 W2
11. Crows M7 W1
12. Dogs M7 W1
13.Carl M8 W1
14. Eagles M7 W0
15. Saints M7 W0
16. Suns M7 W0
17. GWS M7 W0
18. Melb M7 W
Every time a North fan compares Richmond this year to North last year, they do it to either suggest that Richmond are going to get smashed finals time, or that they're just bound to fall out of the eight last year and it was a fluke or something like that. Maybe you're different, and that's great, but the comparison is a tad odd. Just because two sides finished with roughly the same amount of wins doesn't mean they're comparable.
I've got Sydney as lock-in back to back premiers. They are playing with a class, determination and consistency that is easily the best brand of football in the competition right now. They are also incredibly balanced, and seem to have excellent depth.
Adding Kurt Tippet to that... it just makes them "delicious" to grab the flag again. They still have Adam Goodes to return, and possibly Lewis Jetta and Reid (though Reid would be hard pressed to push someone out right now).
The Tiges are playing attractive football. They're playing with a determination that makes up for some of the skill deficiency I thought existed with some of their core 22. In some respects they look as though they're trying to model a bit of Sydney which can't be a bad thing.
I think Sydney are too good for Richmond this weekend, but I also think Sydney will be too good for everyone and win everything this year. Hannebery for top 5 brownlow (maybe 2nd after Ablett). Richmond could beat Hawthorn certainly and win every other game this year, so it's exciting times for them.
Adding Kurt Tippet to that... it just makes them "delicious" to grab the flag again. They still have Adam Goodes to return, and possibly Lewis Jetta and Reid (though Reid would be hard pressed to push someone out right now).
The Tiges are playing attractive football. They're playing with a determination that makes up for some of the skill deficiency I thought existed with some of their core 22. In some respects they look as though they're trying to model a bit of Sydney which can't be a bad thing.
I think Sydney are too good for Richmond this weekend, but I also think Sydney will be too good for everyone and win everything this year. Hannebery for top 5 brownlow (maybe 2nd after Ablett). Richmond could beat Hawthorn certainly and win every other game this year, so it's exciting times for them.
I go for freo not richmond.....
Tigers couldn't beat north
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