Conspiracy Theory The Russia-Ukraine War

[60 Yards Out]

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Wouldn't have happened in the first place.
China and Russia were on the back foot when Trump was in office.
Biden gets elected and suddenly China and Russia become very aggressive towards their neighbours.

You lefties wanted Biden in office because apparently Mean Tweets Trump was going to start a war with China.

Trump is long gone, and progressives rule the White House.

And yet here we are, on the brink of WW3. You reap what you sow. Good luck.

Well, full credit to you, you have admitted that Biden won the election.

But do you really think Trump would have stood up to Putin to stop him invading the Ukraine?

 

[EasternTiger]

Oh dear.

 

[Fwoy]

 

[BlueE]

I'm not sure quoting Farage on anything is the move, to put it mildly. He seems here to be in favour of rejecting the will of Ukraine's people - they clearly drove the change and wanted to join the EU, and casting it as bringing down a democratically elected leader is disingenuous in the extreme. Ukraine's own parliament voted to remove Yanukovych to the tune of 75%, and to hold new elections.

Likewise, the Russian paranoia is similarly delusional (if accurate, as characterised by Farage). Napoleon, Hitler? lol. Jesus christ, its 2022. If Russians are "terrified of being invaded" by NATO thats their problem and utterly disconnected from any conceivable reality as a rationale for current actions.

Clearly he was in favour of upholding an absolute promise made after the fall of the Berlin wall that Russia wanted becasue of past invasions.

He could understand why they might have wanted to join the world order, not that it was the will of the Ukraine people.

Many others supported that view.

Back in 2008, Robert Burns (CIA , sent a memo to SoS Condoleezza Rice that warned "Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for Russia. After two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players from knuckle draggers in the darkest recess of the Kremlin, to Putin's sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests."

Even Obama in an Atlantic April 2016 interview "Obama talks through his hardest decisions about America's role in the world" said USA did not have a core interest in Ukraine but it was a core Russian interest and no reason to risk war for.

Start at 53.30.

 

[BlueE]

More likely now I'll substitute the anxiety and fear the media has feed me about COVID for the last two years with anxiety and fear about Ukraine.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

More likely now I'll substitute the anxiety and fear the media has feed me about COVID for the last two years with anxiety and fear about Ukraine.

All the media you seem to post here is Fox, Newsmax, Gateway Pundit etc.

That is what feeds your anxiety and fear, yet you keep going back for more.

 

[Kwality]

More likely now I'll substitute the anxiety and fear the media has feed me about COVID for the last two years with anxiety and fear about Ukraine.

Dont substitute Chinese in your menu.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

 

[EasternTiger]

More likely now I'll substitute the anxiety and fear the media has feed me about COVID for the last two years with anxiety and fear about Ukraine.

The lefties around here will swallow anything CNN and the Guardian tells them

So pathetic, so predictable, yet so funny.

 

[bourbons]

Clearly he was in favour of upholding an absolute promise made after the fall of the Berlin wall that Russia wanted becasue of past invasions.

Tally up the broken promises and violated treaties from Russia, then do Ukraine (and NATO as well, for that matter) and get back to me.

He could understand why they might have wanted to join the world order, not that it was the will of the Ukraine people.

Right, sounds like he couldn't understand that it was the will of their people and wanted that element entirely discounted. Not great.

Back in 2008, Robert Burns (CIA , sent a memo to SoS Condoleezza Rice that warned "Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for Russia. After two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players from knuckle draggers in the darkest recess of the Kremlin, to Putin's sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests."

Even Obama in an Atlantic April 2016 interview "Obama talks through his hardest decisions about America's role in the world" said USA did not have a core interest in Ukraine but it was a core Russian interest and no reason to risk war for.

lol. How about the core interests of the Ukrainians? Any relevance here or..?

 

[bourbons]

The lefties around here will swallow anything CNN and the Guardian tells them

So pathetic, so predictable, yet so funny.

This, a few hours after re-posting memes from Trump Jnr's insta.

Ahhhh ET never change buddy, you are amazing value

 

[Werewolf]

It's interesting how last October the enigmatic and unpredictable Alex Jones predicted a major war would start this month:

Alex Jones Made “Giant War in February” Prediction in October Last Year

summit.news

I'd love to know who fed him this information. Even last week I honestly didn't think Putin would actually invade Ukraine.

 

[bourbons]

It's interesting how last October the enigmatic and unpredictable Alex Jones predicted a major war would start this month:

Alex Jones Made “Giant War in February” Prediction in October Last Year

summit.news

I'd love to know who fed him this information. Even last week I honestly didn't think Putin would actually invade Ukraine.

Come on mate, you're smarter than this. Jones predicts wars will start every month, if not every week. He happened to pluck the right month this time, but also clearly meant a war America would be involved with. Putin is part of the NWO now? Not sure that tracks with his usual narratives lol.

More of ol' mate Alex's 'predictions';

• EU dissolved by 2020
• 15 European nations collapse by June 2012
• US dollar will devalue by 90% in 2 years
• Martial law months away in the US
• Staged assassination attempt of Obama, to be blamed on a Tea Party affiliate
• Deep state will murder Trump
• WW3, constantly
• Biological weapon attacks in the US, constantly
• a 2nd US civil war, constantly
• False flag attacks, constantly (he just did this again recently, to be blamed on the Canadian trucker convoy)
• Media will officially announce extra-terrestrial life in 2009
• The movie "Machete" will start a race war

This is his MO, he sells fear. No one is feeding him information - he's just constantly predicting all manner of scattershot shit, so he can dine out to his adoring rubes should any events that could conceivably be shoehorned into an "I told you so" actually happen. Would have to be running at well under 1% accuracy.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Come on mate, you're smarter than this. Jones predicts wars will start every month, if not every week. He happened to pluck the right month this time, but also clearly meant a war America would be involved with. Putin is part of the NWO now? Not sure that tracks with his usual narratives lol.

More of ol' mate Alex's 'predictions';

• EU dissolved by 2020
• 15 European nations collapse by June 2012
• US dollar will devalue by 90% in 2 years
• Martial law months away in the US
• Staged assassination attempt of Obama, to be blamed on a Tea Party affiliate
• Deep state will murder Trump
• WW3, constantly
• Biological weapon attacks in the US, constantly
• a 2nd US civil war, constantly
• False flag attacks, constantly (he just done this again recently, to be blamed on the Canadian trucker convoy)
• Media will officially announce extra-terrestrial life in 2009
• The movie "Machete" will start a race war

This is his MO, he sells fear. No one is feeding him information - he's just constantly predicting all manner of scattershot sh*t, so he can dine out to his adoring rubes should any events that could conceivably be shoehorned into an "I told you so" actually happen. Would have to be running at well under 1% accuracy.

• gay frogs to organise anti-frog homophobia rally in March

 

[BlueE]

Tally up the broken promises and violated treaties from Russia, then do Ukraine (and NATO as well, for that matter) and get back to me.

George Soros likes this.

https://twitter.com/georgesoros

 

[BlueE]

Right, sounds like he couldn't understand that it was the will of their people and wanted that element entirely discounted. Not great.

He never said it was the "will of the people".

"I have felt for 30 years ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall that we have made a huge geopolitical error. We absolutely promised the Russians that we would not extend NATO to the east. But we did. NATO and in particular EU sought to go further and further and further.

"The revolution in 2014 that brought down a democratically elected leader of Ukraine was done by people waving European Union flags awash with funds from the EU, who wanted Ukraine to join. I quite understand why Ukraine might have wanted to join NATO or the EU but it was for us to say "No, we're not going to do that."

 

[bourbons]

George Soros likes this.

https://twitter.com/georgesoros

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I'm not sure what this is supposed to be. You disagree with any of that? Very telling that the only response you can muster up is fallback boogeyman George Soros talking fairly sensibly about the current situation.

Any chance of a response to this in particular?

lol. How about the core interests of the Ukrainians? Any relevance here or..?

He never said it was the "will of the people".

"I have felt for 30 years ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall that we have made a huge geopolitical error. We absolutely promised the Russians that we would not extend NATO to the east. But we did. NATO and in particular EU sought to go further and further and further.

"The revolution in 2014 that brought down a democratically elected leader of Ukraine was done by people waving European Union flags awash with funds from the EU, who wanted Ukraine to join. I quite understand why Ukraine might have wanted to join NATO or the EU but it was for us to say "No, we're not going to do that."

I know. Seems like a pretty key thing to miss on his behalf, no?

He seems to be implying the 2014 revolution was done by forces outside Ukraine ("who wanted Ukraine to join"). It may well have suited others for Ukraine to join the EU, that doesn't mean it wasn't also what the majority of Ukrainians wanted.

Its not complicated.

 

[BlueE]

lol. How about the core interests of the Ukrainians? Any relevance here or..?

You have to be absolutely farking joking here!

The people that benefited after the "revolution" in 2014 supported by the globalists and US, which put a US approved President in power and appointed Joey at point or bag man, were the Bidens and corrupt Ukraines.

How many people lost lives and continued fighting or became became refugees after that?

Where did most of the one billion dollars from the International Monetary Fund deposited into PrivatBank after 2014 go?

Ukraine became a giant money laundering operation and I don't see how that benefited the core interests of the Ukrainians.

 

[BlueE]

I know. Seems like a pretty key thing to miss on his behalf, no?

He seems to be implying the 2014 revolution was done by forces outside Ukraine ("who wanted Ukraine to join"). It may well have suited others for Ukraine to join the EU, that doesn't mean it wasn't also what the majority of Ukrainians wanted.

Its not complicated.

No it's not complicated but you insist on saying what you want to hear and not what he or others were and still are saying.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Imagine being so deranged that you somehow think this is Trumps fault or would be worse under Trump.

Big Tech and the MSM really rotted the minds of so many people.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Imagine being so deranged that you somehow think this is Trumps fault or would be worse under Trump.

Big Tech and the MSM really rotted the minds of so many people.

If Biden was praising Putin like Trump has been doing, what do you think the difference would be?

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If Biden was praising Putin like Trump has been doing, what do you think the difference would be?

Probably an invasion of Alaska. Biden only shows weakness.

 

[BlueE]

I'm not sure what this is supposed to be. You disagree with any of that? Very telling that the only response you can muster up is fallback boogeyman George Soros talking fairly sensibly about the current situation.

Any chance of a response to this in particular?

I don't know what it is about Soros cheering leading Ukraine transforming into "an open society", but I think it's worth noting.



Soros himself states (in an interview):

“I advocate an alliance of democratic states, with a dual purpose. One, to promote what I call open society. I talk about an alliance of open societies which would first foster the development of open societies within individual countries, because there’s a lot that needs to be done in that effort.”

In the above Soros stresses open societies. In the following he stresses global government — or at least ”international institutions”. He continues:

“And secondly, to establish basic international law and international institutions that you need for a global, open society.”

Here again, Soros believes that global government must come first and then new open societies are meant to follow.

Soros appears to be advancing a kind of global interventionism in which a global power imposes open societies on all the offending states/countries of the globe.

 

[bourbons]

You have to be absolutely farking joking here!

The people that benefited after the "revolution" in 2014 supported by the globalists and US, which put a US approved President in power and appointed Joey at point or bag man, were the Bidens and corrupt Ukraines.

How many people lost lives and continued fighting or became became refugees after that?

Where did most of the one billion dollars from the International Monetary Fund deposited into PrivatBank after 2014 go?

Ukraine became a giant money laundering operation and I don't see how that benefited the core interests of the Ukrainians.

Ah ok, your view on this is all tied back into Biden/Hunter/Ukraine. Unhinged stuff mate, and colour me surprised

Won't re-argue all that nonsense we've done it all before, just do me one more favour tho - the Ukrainian parliament voting 75% to oust Yanukovych. What was going on there? Biden took a day off from being a doddering senility case to stitch them all up did he?

No it's not complicated but you insist on saying what you want to hear and not what he or others were and still are saying.

I'm responding to what he said and offering arguments and rationale as to why its such a shit take. Blatant disregard for the clear will of Ukraine's people being chief among them.

You're sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling about Joe Biden ¯\(ツ)/¯

 

[bourbons]

Imagine being so deranged that you somehow think this is Trumps fault or would be worse under Trump.

Big Tech and the MSM really rotted the minds of so many people.

Imagine being so deranged that you think its Biden's fault.

Its not Trump's either. Putin is the name you're after.