Conspiracy Theory The Russia-Ukraine War

[60 Yards Out]

That's all your post deserved and once again you don't disappoint.

Where's Biden?



Ran point in Ukraine for years, pushes the NATO agenda despite concerns from many experts and doesn't negotiate,

There’s got to be some way this is Bidens fault, surely.
Talk about desperation.

 

[BlueE]

lol. Dude, street vendors sell toilet paper with Putin's face on it over there.

This obsessive desire to paint Ukraine and its people as directionless puppets, happy to be steered in whichever direction the big bad west choose is bizarre. Where does it come from? Have you become so invested in pushing back on any Russia narrative over the last few years you simply cannot course correct? The tying it all into Biden corruption stuff I get coming from you, but all that occured after 2014 - like I said, completely unhinged to use that to pretend it means the 2014 revolution was manufactured by outside forces.

Can we at least agree there is a majority desire among Ukraine's people to join the west and leave mother Russia in the rearview, and its been that way for a fair while?

You set up a loaded question with a meaningless vote of 75% MPs to ban the same President who initially with Bush Jnr in 2008, pushed NATO to accept Ukraine in the future, despite promises made to Russia.

US has been involved before 2014, but in particular their interference with VP Biden appointed point man, he has presided over some of the worst corruption. Where is the answer to my question about what happened to the IMF billion dollars and what happened to the billion dollar guarantee secured by Biden for "quid pro quo"?

Putin has stated that the invasion of Ukraine is about denazification, so simplistically those on BF who are the first to call out any wrong thinkers as neo-nazis are also unable to recognise Putin's legitimate concerns.

There are many that do not trust the narrative of the media (especially from the from weapons of mass destruction lies) you've totally swallowed.

I believe this thread gives a more balanced view.

 

[mcnulty]

Where's Biden?

Not tweeting enough for you? For someone who sources all their information from loons on social media, I can see how you would find that problematical.

 

[Mofra]

 

[BlueE]

Incredible innit

Crimea happened coz Obama
No Russian aggression happened coz Trump
Current invasion happened coz Biden
Russia and Ukraine now talking coz Tulsi

Sharp stuff from the peanut gallery, incisive and partisan-free political commentary

And there it is!

You can't discuss anything complex, without resorting to cheap "gotchas" or you just make up what you want to believe.

Well done. Showing your true colours now.

 

[bourbons]

lolz. You literally, psychologically cannot accept or concede that there is a majority desire among Ukraine's people to join the west and leave Russia behind. Just deflect and revert back to rambling about Biden and corruption, like a skipping record.

Unreal

You set up a loaded question with a meaningless vote of 75% MPs to ban the same President who initially with Bush Jnr in 2008, pushed NATO to accept Ukraine in the future, despite promises made to Russia.

Why was it meaningless? Again - senile Joe got to all the MPs did he?

US has been involved before 2014, but in particular their interference with VP Biden appointed point man, he has presided over some of the worst corruption. Where is the answer to my question about what happened to the IMF billion dollars and what happened to the billion dollar guarantee secured by Biden for "quid pro quo"?

Dunno - swallowed up by corrupt officials? Ahh f**k it - lets just say Joe and Hunter personally hoovered it all up, the whole lot.

What has that got to do with the will of the Ukrainians, their desire to join the west and the 2014 revolution? You're pretending it was all driven by outside forces - back it up. Starting with a rationale as to why Ukraine's own parliament voted the way they did.

 

[bourbons]

And there it is!

You can't discuss anything complex, without resorting to cheap "gotchas" or you just make up what you want to believe.

Well done. Showing your true colours now.

Posts that Tulsi's plea might be working coz Ukraine and Russia are talking. Accuses other posters of being unable to discuss anything complex...

Its not a 'gotcha' - I'm laughing at the level of critical thinking on display.

 

[BlueE]

Not tweeting enough for you? For someone who sources all their information from loons on social media, I can see how you would find that problematical.

Joey's is in obvious mental decline and spends his time going back to Delaware, admittedly to sleep.

Not tweeting is the least of his worries.

LOL "loons" on social media some of whom are multiple Pulitzer prize winners and write independently not having to answer to media oligarchs, while you believe everything you've been feed by most of the main stream media in lockstep even when they've been proved many times to be lying.

You want to believe it or not Trump struck the right balance, making US energy independent and holding up with Russia's pipeline and blasting NATO, when needed while the Joey puppet gives up the strong position the US was in and provokes Putin.

 

[mcnulty]

and provokes Putin

It gets funnier still. Yeah that’s what this is about, Biden provoking Putin. Apparently he’s in severe mental decline and asleep but he’s goaded Putin into invading Ukraine. Do you read your own posts ? If this is your fundamental departure point it’s easy to understand the drivel that follows.

You are completely and utterly cooked.

 

[bourbons]

It gets funnier still. Yeah that’s what this is about, Biden provoking Putin. Apparently he’s in severe mental decline and asleep but he’s goaded Putin into invading Ukraine. Do you read your own posts ? If this is your fundamental departure point it’s easy to understand the drivel that follows.

You are completely and utterly cooked.

Its breathtaking and more than a little sad how deeply ensconced he is in this partisan, culture warrior worldview. To the point he literally can't bring himself to acknowledge the will of Ukraine's people and just rocks back and forth chanting "Joe Biden" like some deranged rainman.

 

[BlueE]

lolz. You literally, psychologically cannot accept or concede that there is a majority desire among Ukraine's people to join the west and leave Russia behind. Just deflect and revert back to rambling about Biden and corruption, like a skipping record.
Unreal

Why was it meaningless? Again - senile Joe got to all the MPs did he?

Dunno - swallowed up by corrupt officials? Ahh f**k it - lets just say Joe and Hunter personally hoovered it all up, the whole lot.

What has that got to do with the will of the Ukrainians, their desire to join the west and the 2014 revolution? You're pretending it was all driven by outside forces - back it up. Starting with a rationale as to why Ukraine's own parliament voted the way they did.

You still talking about the 75% MP vote after he was in exile as if it's the most important fact, while it means nothing about the "will of the Ukrainians" and was influenced by massive PR and US who installed the President they wanted?

You are talking in totally simplistic terms and I've tried having an honest discussion in a complex situation to be confronted with you making up cheap talking points that what you want to think I'm saying. You couldn't be more dishonest in that discussion and only deserve the same back.

Where's the answer to my questions?? You didn't even look or try to understand.

No they didn't hoover it all up, but took their cut of one of the biggest money laundering operations under another corrupt President voted out with 73% of the people against him.

This actually was the "people's will", it was their vote and not MPs ceremonial vote after a soft coup had already occured. It did not represent anything to do NATO membership, but 73% of people voted against Poroshenko in 2019 becasue he was corrupt and becasue his US controlled leadership ultimately robbed Ukrainians of resources and money, keeping them poor.

But while he was still in power Ukraine became involved in the 2016 US election on request of Hilary Clinton's team and later impeachment initiated by Ukrainian American White House official Alexander Vindman and his colleague Eric Ciaramella, a CIA analyst who had served as Vice President Biden’s point man on Ukraine during the Obama administration.

In order to cover up for what the Bidens' and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade.

So long as the media continued to bark that Trump is Putin’s stooge, no one would be held accountable for anything and now Ukraine is left fighting a needless war pushed by US and without negotiations that according to many experts may have have avoided it.

 

[mcnulty]

Its breathtaking and more than a little sad how deeply ensconced he is in this partisan, culture warrior worldview. To the point he literally can't bring himself to acknowledge the will of Ukraine's people and just rocks back and forth chanting "Joe Biden" like some deranged rainman.

Biden started this war. Tulsi’s finishing it! The piercing insight for some reason I hadn’t considered until just lately.

 

[bourbons]

You still talking about the 75% MP vote after he was in exile as if it's the most important fact, while it means nothing about the "will of the Ukrainians" and was influenced by massive PR and US who installed the President they wanted?

You are talking in totally simplistic terms and I've tried having an honest discussion in a complex situation to be confronted with you making up cheap talking points that what you want to think I'm saying. You couldn't be more dishonest in that discussion and only deserve the same back.

Where's the answer to my questions?? You didn't even look or try to understand.

No they didn't hoover it all up, but took their cut of one of the biggest money laundering operations under another corrupt President voted out with 73% of the people against him.

This actually was the "people's will", it was their vote and not MPs ceremonial vote after a soft coup had already occured. It did not represent anything to do NATO membership, but 73% of people voted against Poroshenko in 2019 becasue he was corrupt and becasue his US controlled leadership ultimately robbed Ukrainians of resources and money, keeping them poor.

But while he was still in power Ukraine became involved in the 2016 US election on request of Hilary Clinton's team and later impeachment initiated by Ukrainian American White House official Alexander Vindman and his colleague Eric Ciaramella, a CIA analyst who had served as Vice President Biden’s point man on Ukraine during the Obama administration.

In order to cover up for what the Bidens' and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade.

So long as the media continued to bark that Trump is Putin’s stooge, no one would be held accountable for anything and now Ukraine is left fighting a needless war pushed by US and without negotiations that according to many experts may have have avoided it.

And right on cue lol - any chance you can have a stab at this without all the 2016-2019, Biden bad, Ukraine corrupt, Trump impeachment shtick? Any chance at all?

Ukrainian MP vote was the result of a US PR campaign, farkin awesome dude

I'll try once more - majority of Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and the west, yes or no? You don't get to discount it just coz it happens to align with the wishes of Washington.

 

[BlueE]

It gets funnier still. Yeah that’s what this is about, Biden provoking Putin. Apparently he’s in severe mental decline and asleep but he’s goaded Putin into invading Ukraine. Do you read your own posts ? If this is your fundamental departure point it’s easy to understand the drivel that follows.

You are completely and utterly cooked.

Do you actually think Biden is making decisions, he's too busy sleeping?

Go back to devouring CNN 24/7.

He's a puppet whoever is pulling his strings has the playbook that current senior WH and State Dept officials Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and others are familiar with.

You have yet to make one competent point or rebuttal and rely on one liners or irrelevant .gifs and the ole trick of just choosing a few words to reply to becasue, that what you do.

 

[BlueE]

Biden started this war. Tulsi’s finishing it! The piercing insight for some reason I hadn’t considered until just lately.

Gaslighting 101. "lol Tulsi. Thanks for trying"

Strange thing, is she done more than Joey and all of his admin to help.

Could have lived with her as a President before Hills nuked her presidential candidacy.

 

[BlueE]

And right on cue lol - any chance you can have a stab at this without all the 2016-2019, Biden bad, Ukraine corrupt, Trump impeachment shtick? Any chance at all?

Ukrainian MP vote was the result of a US PR campaign, farkin awesome dude

I'll try once more - majority of Ukrainians wanted to join the EU and the west, yes or no? You don't get to discount it just coz it happens to align with the wishes of Washington.

And again you ignore your irrelevant 75% MP votes after Yanukovych went into exile was a vote of the Ukrainian people for NATO.

Not only simplistic but wrong, which was shown in 2019 election when they got rid of the corrupt US puppet with 73% voting against him, even though he wanted Ukraine to join NATO.

Still haven't accessed any information other than main stream media narrative, including the video of the ex prime minister candidate I linked and refused to look at Putin's "denazification" concerns. Still can't answer any questions and instead post only trying for cheap "gotchas."

 

[bourbons]

Still haven't accessed any information other than main stream media narrative, including the video of the ex prime minister candidate I linked and refused to look at Putin's "denazification" concerns.

You've utterly checked out, mate.

Now regurgitating straight up Kremlin propaganda

 

[60 Yards Out]

You still talking about the 75% MP vote after he was in exile as if it's the most important fact, while it means nothing about the "will of the Ukrainians" and was influenced by massive PR and US who installed the President they wanted?

You are talking in totally simplistic terms and I've tried having an honest discussion in a complex situation to be confronted with you making up cheap talking points that what you want to think I'm saying. You couldn't be more dishonest in that discussion and only deserve the same back.

Where's the answer to my questions?? You didn't even look or try to understand.

No they didn't hoover it all up, but took their cut of one of the biggest money laundering operations under another corrupt President voted out with 73% of the people against him.

This actually was the "people's will", it was their vote and not MPs ceremonial vote after a soft coup had already occured. It did not represent anything to do NATO membership, but 73% of people voted against Poroshenko in 2019 becasue he was corrupt and becasue his US controlled leadership ultimately robbed Ukrainians of resources and money, keeping them poor.

But while he was still in power Ukraine became involved in the 2016 US election on request of Hilary Clinton's team and later impeachment initiated by Ukrainian American White House official Alexander Vindman and his colleague Eric Ciaramella, a CIA analyst who had served as Vice President Biden’s point man on Ukraine during the Obama administration.

In order to cover up for what the Bidens' and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade.

So long as the media continued to bark that Trump is Putin’s stooge, no one would be held accountable for anything and now Ukraine is left fighting a needless war pushed by US and without negotiations that according to many experts may have have avoided it.

Just occasionally you seem to be on the verge of making a coherent argument… then you blow it all to bits with something like this:
“In order to cover up for what the Bidens' and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade.”
Most people understand on the basis of objective facts and analysis that Trump was impeached for trying to extort the president of Ukraine into smearing his (Trump’s) leading electoral rival. There was a transcript and testimony by first hand witnesses — Hill, Sondland (Trump appointee and donor) and others. All of it comported with a strategy promoted by Giuliani on his crazy research odyssey into Ukraine before the strategy was activated. You can’t wave the facts away and expect not to be called out.

 

[BlueE]

Just occasionally you seem to be on the verge of making a coherent argument… then you blow it all to bits with something like this:
“In order to cover up for what the Bidens' and perhaps other senior Obama officials had done in Ukraine, a Democratic Congress impeached Trump for trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade.”
Most people understand on the basis of objective facts and analysis that Trump was impeached for trying to extort the president of Ukraine into smearing his (Trump’s) leading electoral rival. There was a transcript and testimony by first hand witnesses — Hill, Sondland (Trump appointee and donor) and others. All of it comported with a strategy promoted by Giuliani on his crazy research odyssey into Ukraine before the strategy was activated. You can’t wave the facts away and expect not to be called out.

LOL Thanks almost!!

I did read the transcript and before that looked in detail into the money trails and the Biden's involvement, so we'll probably never agree on that.

Don't get me started on Fiona Hill who was in at the start of organising the Carter page memo.

Serious butt covering with her testimony.

I don't know if Guiliani is capable of any strategy or how much weight you can put on anything he says and can't see how anything he said made a difference.

 

[BlueE]

You've utterly checked out, mate.

Now regurgitating straight up Kremlin propaganda

It's not as simple as you might want it to, but they've even been on the main stream news with their Nazi patches training up the granny with rifles, remember?

 

[60 Yards Out]

LOL Thanks almost!!

I did read the transcript and before that looked in detail into the money trails and the Biden's involvement, so we'll probably never agree on that.

Don't get me started on Fiona Hill who was in at the start of organising the Carter page memo.

Serious butt covering with her testimony.

I don't know if Guiliani is capable of any strategy or how much weight you can put on anything he says and can't see how anything he said made a difference.

Giuliani went there for the express purpose of finding sht on the Bidens and cooking up the strategy to extort Zelensky into announcing a corruption investigation against them. There was no altruistic “trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade” going on. Trump got impeached because of his own actions and those of people under his direction.

 

[mcnulty]

while the Joey puppet gives up the strong position the US was in and provokes Putin

Do you actually think Biden is making decisions, he's too busy sleeping?

Theses two posts...an hour apart. He’s provoked Putin by sleeping

Cooked.

 

[mcnulty]

You've utterly checked out, mate.

Now regurgitating straight up Kremlin propaganda

Yep. Gotta denazify the regime with the Jewish president. Who do they seriously expect would buy this? Oh wait...

 

[bourbons]

It's not as simple as you might want it to, but they've even been on the main stream news with their Nazi patches training up the granny with rifles, remember?

Yep. A photo of one far right group training a granny clearly means that the Ukrainian president, who is jewish, is running a nazi-infested government. He's a drug addict too, dontcha know. Thanks Vlad.

Jesus tapdancing christ, dude. I thought you were cooked - you are charred to a crisp

 

[bourbons]

Giuliani went there for the express purpose of finding sht on the Bidens and cooking up the strategy to extort Zelensky into announcing a corruption investigation against them. There was no altruistic “trying to figure out what American policymakers had been doing in Ukraine over the past decade” going on. Trump got impeached because of his own actions and those of people under his direction.

Haha yep. Noted anti-corruption campaigner Donald J Trump, and he just happens to start with the guy who was favourite to be running against him in the upcoming election.

And Trumpers actually believe this

Small wonder he's now moved on to uncritically buying whatever justification fantasy Vlad wheels out, I guess. ****ing scary.