The Stadium!

[Perry Pie]

It looks like they're is plenty of corporates interested in sponsoring the Tassie Devils according to an article in the Examiner today.

The membership numbers, not just in Tassie, make sponsoring pretty attractive. Being a foundation sponsor will have a good deal traction too. That membership drive has been so important to help the support for the stadium, with sponsors being attracted too, that will help ensure the stadium will get built.
Is there going to be a naming sponsor? Is that in the financials? (no need for anyone to answer, just throwing it out there that there will be money coming in).

 

[Perry Pie]

York Park AFL stadium redevelopment at standstill as removal of old elm tree splits council

The redevelopment of York Park stadium in Tasmania's north has come to a standstill as the council stays split over a decision to remove an old elm tree to make way for a new centre-west stand.

www.abc.net.au

Sorry, couldn’t find a York Park thread. Sorry if this has already been discussed.

Investigate if its possible to move the tree... if not, can a design be made to accomodate it... if not, can the facility be built elswhere (& feature be made of the tree)... if not, get the chain saw...

 

[The Tilt]

You can have 23 games with 19 teams, it requires all teams will have 2 byes and will take 25 weeks to play. (19 weeks to play the other 18 clubs once + a bye each, then 4 games + 1 bye for each club over 5 weeks).

Odd number of teams mathematically requires each team to play an even number of games. When they go to 19 teams, they'll need to either move back to a 22 game season, or increase to 24.

 

[Walshawk]

You can have 23 games with 19 teams, it requires all teams will have 2 byes and will take 25 weeks to play. (19 weeks to play the other 18 clubs once + a bye each, then 4 games + 1 bye for each club over 5 weeks).

I think there will be memberships for Hobart, Launceston and for both venues - I hope the priority is for the seperate memberships initially. Away team allocations will be interesting too.

I am pleased with standing room for 2 reasons. Firstly I just think its something good to have. Second, it might be quicker and cheaper to add some extra capacity if needed.

Incorrect. As Tilt says.

Think about the umber of byes each week. You need 38 byes and that is not possible with an odd number of rounds.

 

[peetoo]

Hopefully the Victorian based members get the very generous arrangements GWS and GCS got.

Every Melbourne game plus the balance of 11 games in the AFL reserve except for all ticket games

 

[Perry Pie]

Incorrect. As Tilt says.

Think about the umber of byes each week. You need 38 byes and that is not possible with an odd number of rounds.

You are right. Lowest number of weeks to play 11 home games for each team is 24 weeks (as happened in 1991 when the Crows joined).
So... either 2 gather rounds or none...? Hmmm, I wonder which way the AFL will jump. (this year we had a 25 week season with opening round + 24 rounds).

 

[peetoo]

Investigate if its possible to move the tree... if not, can a design be made to accomodate it... if not, can the facility be built elswhere (& feature be made of the tree)... if not, get the chain saw...

Geelongs stadium was built in a d shape to accommodate trees……which largely are no longer there

Elm trees can go 150 years, half that if the many diseases hit

 

[peetoo]

Everyone has their price it seems

RSL requests a museum, grandstand naming rights and 'recognition of service' before every event if Hobart stadium built

Released emails have revealed a list of requests made by Tasmania's RSL to the state government, including a museum and the special naming of grandstands, as part of Hobart's proposed stadium development.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Mr Tassie]

Everyone has their price it seems

RSL requests a museum, grandstand naming rights and 'recognition of service' before every event if Hobart stadium built

Released emails have revealed a list of requests made by Tasmania's RSL to the state government, including a museum and the special naming of grandstands, as part of Hobart's proposed stadium development.

www.abc.net.au

I think it shows that they have been offered a nice deal from the Mac 2 consortium if this is anything to go by. They certainly don't have a short list of requests, so it will be very interesting to see what deal they could come to.

 

[Hodgey 15]

Everyone has their price it seems

RSL requests a museum, grandstand naming rights and 'recognition of service' before every event if Hobart stadium built

Released emails have revealed a list of requests made by Tasmania's RSL to the state government, including a museum and the special naming of grandstands, as part of Hobart's proposed stadium development.

www.abc.net.au

They have left themselves wide open here.
Any leverage or integrity they thought they may of had has been lost.

 

[Mr Tassie]

They have left themselves wide open here.
Any leverage or integrity they thought they may of had has been lost.

It looks like it's largely money driven for them. I wonder if they really care about the sightlines being effected at all after hearing this.

 

[Hodgey 15]

It looks like it's largely money driven for them. I wonder if they really care about the sightlines being effected at all after hearing this.

Sounds to me like a very clumsy and poorly handled way of saying we'll support this if we get something out of it.

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[Mr Tassie]

Sounds to me like a very clumsy and poorly handled way of saying we'll support this if we get something out of it.

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They definitely don't have a shortage of requests. I think the one where they want recognition at every event played there is interesting. I will say I'm disappointed to see they will still put money before the veterans of this state.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

You are right. Lowest number of weeks to play 11 home games for each team is 24 weeks (as happened in 1991 when the Crows joined).
So... either 2 gather rounds or none...? Hmmm, I wonder which way the AFL will jump. (this year we had a 25 week season with opening round + 24 rounds).

There'll be two.

They'll either extend opening northern states round to a wider gather round, say Sydney (play seven games there while Brisbane and GC can play their home games in their states), or have a Tasmanian gather round to celebrate their entry in the league, give the new Tassie team a 12th game in the state, and to give more use to the stadium and tourism to justify the spend on the stadium in the first place. Both are common sense extensions of what they're already done.

 

[Walshawk]

There'll be two.

They'll either extend opening northern states round to a wider gather round, say Sydney (play seven games there while Brisbane and GC can play their home games in their states), or have a Tasmanian gather round to celebrate their entry in the league, give the new Tassie team a 12th game in the state, and to give more use to the stadium and tourism to justify the spend on the stadium in the first place. Both are common sense extensions of what they're already done.

I reckon the non Vic clubs will get and extra home game. Opening round will be hosted by those nine clubs. Plus Gather Round. Leaves three extra neutral games to be play somewhere.

 

[BoomerRoo]

Sounds to me like a very clumsy and poorly handled way of saying we'll support this if we get something out of it.

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Re: the RSL, there's one name that keeps popping up when I talk to people with......... let's just call it "skin in the game", Paul Lennon! He's trying to cause all sorts of havoc.... I wonder why!

 

[Hodgey 15]

Re: the RSL, there's one name that keeps popping up when I talk to people with......... let's just call it "skin in the game", Paul Lennon! He's trying to cause all sorts of havoc.... I wonder why!

No surprise there with Lennon.
One of, if not the worst, Premier this state has seen.

 

[Perry Pie]

Everyone has their price it seems

RSL requests a museum, grandstand naming rights and 'recognition of service' before every event if Hobart stadium built

Released emails have revealed a list of requests made by Tasmania's RSL to the state government, including a museum and the special naming of grandstands, as part of Hobart's proposed stadium development.

www.abc.net.au

Wanting profits from Anzac Day game assumes there will be a Tassie game in Hobart on Anzac Day. I would have thought they would want an agreement NOT to play there on Anzac Day. (raising money from the crowd on game nearest to Anzac Day would be reasonable, demanding "profits" assumes there will be some...).

Cenotaph end is what that end would be called anyway. Museum, maybe something can be done, probably worth doing on cenotaph side along with Aboriginal museum/place on the city side.
The site and stadium is more than just football and sport - it's a cultural and meeting place.

 

[Perry Pie]

Sounds to me like a very clumsy and poorly handled way of saying we'll support this if we get something out of it.

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I can see why people will think that. But if you are in RSLs position and you think the stadium is inevitable then what do you do?
What you do is ask for a load of things in the expectation you will get some of them.

 

[Reginald Perrin]

York Park AFL stadium redevelopment at standstill as removal of old elm tree splits council

The redevelopment of York Park stadium in Tasmania's north has come to a standstill as the council stays split over a decision to remove an old elm tree to make way for a new centre-west stand.

www.abc.net.au

Sorry, couldn’t find a York Park thread. Sorry if this has already been discussed.

As the consulting arborist for the Launceston City Council, Frank Rosol from Australian Tree Care has cared for the elm for 12 years.

He would like to see an alternative solution found so the elm can remain in place.

Colour me shocked. Nice little earner there.

 

[Not Important]

i’m surprised the afl, as a major beneficiary, has got away with only ponying up $15 million when the state is tipping in $375 million and the feds $240 million.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

i’m surprised the afl, as a major beneficiary, has got away with only ponying up $15 million when the state is tipping in $375 million and the feds $240 million.

Its typical of the AFL. They only put $5mil into Adelaide Oval.

I don't think they put anything into Perth Stadium as that was a public-private partnership with the WA government paying 60% of the capital cost over 3 years of construction, then the remaining 40% over the next 25 years along with an annual facilities maintenance payment to the private consortium.

The AFL did make a contribution to Stadium Australia reconfiguration in 2001 after the Sydney Olympics, so that it would remain an oval longer enough for AFL. The AFL committed to pay $1m a year for 5 years to help finance the reconfiguration of the ground. The reconfiguration cost over $80mil.

Unlike the NFL, who used to be like the AFL and put in very little and the private owners would threaten city and or state governments they would take the team somewhere else, the NFL under Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and the assistance from guys like of the sports professor Rick Horrow, the NFL in the early 1990s started doing deals with cities/state governments to build new stadiums and set up its own Stadium Fund which gave grants, and/or loans, and/or loan guarantees to the private owners who negotiated public financing from states/cities and the carrot to governments was, you help build a new world class stadium for your city/state team and we will bring the Super Bowl to your city/state a couple of years after it has been built and been tested over a couple seasons of games.

Last December the NFL owners approved the G-5 Stadium Funding Loan Program - ie 5th version of the fund - Each team can borrow up to $300M for projects if they match with their own money & get some degree of government assistance.

The AFL can't do this as they are locked in an MCG GF for 40 years, then an extra 5 then an extra 20 years and i think the 2 that were played at the Gabba and Perth Stadium mean another 2 years on top of that.

It only paid $30m of $430m build cost for Docklands in 2000 which it would receive full title and rights to in 31/10/2025 for $10 transfer, yes $10, in a BOOT - Build, Own, Operate, Transfer model, but decided to pay $200m+ in October 2016 and get the cashflow of the asset 9 years earlier, and then in 2019 was able to squeeze the Vic government for $225m for upgrades to their asset, as well as another $250m for footy facilities in Victoria - professional and amateur.

So the AFL is all about making a low payment, reduce its risk, but its teams and therefore it, get most of the benefit from government subsidies.

 

[Not Important]

Its typical of the AFL. They only put $5mil into Adelaide Oval.

I don't think they put anything into Perth Stadium as that was a public-private partnership with the WA government paying 60% of the capital cost over 3 years of construction, then the remaining 40% over the next 25 years along with an annual facilities maintenance payment to the private consortium.

The AFL did make a contribution to Stadium Australia reconfiguration in 2001 after the Sydney Olympics, so that it would remain an oval longer enough for AFL. The AFL committed to pay $1m a year for 5 years to help finance the reconfiguration of the ground. The reconfiguration cost over $80mil.

Unlike the NFL, who used to be like the AFL and put in very little and the private owners would threaten city and or state governments they would take the team somewhere else, the NFL under Commissioner Paul Tagliabue and the assistance from guys like of the sports professor Rick Horrow, the NFL in the early 1990s started doing deals with cities/state governments to build new stadiums and set up its own Stadium Fund which gave grants, and/or loans, and/or loan guarantees to the private owners who negotiated public financing from states/cities and the carrot to governments was, you help build a new world class stadium for your city/state team and we will bring the Super Bowl to your city/state a couple of years after it has been built and been tested over a couple seasons of games.

Last December the NFL owners approved the G-5 Stadium Funding Loan Program - ie 5th version of the fund - Each team can borrow up to $300M for projects if they match with their own money & get some degree of government assistance.

The AFL can't do this as they are locked in an MCG GF for 40 years, then an extra 5 then an extra 20 years and i think the 2 that were played at the Gabba and Perth Stadium mean another 2 years on top of that.

It only paid $30m of $430m build cost for Docklands in 2000 which it would receive full title and rights to in 31/10/2025 for $10 transfer, yes $10, in a BOOT - Build, Own, Operate, Transfer model, but decided to pay $200m+ in October 2016 and get the cashflow of the asset 9 years earlier, and then in 2019 was able to squeeze the Vic government for $225m for upgrades to their asset, as well as another $250m for footy facilities in Victoria - professional and amateur.

So the AFL is all about making a low payment, reduce its risk, but its teams and therefore it, get most of the benefit from government subsidies.

terrific post. the afl are past masters at manipulating the sports media and pressuring pollies in their interests. it's weak for politicians not to take a stand. as i see it, the pollies would be on a winner here by calling out the afl. the afl only contributing $15 million to this project is ludicrous.

 

[peetoo]

terrific post. the afl are past masters at manipulating the sports media and pressuring pollies in their interests. it's weak for politicians not to take a stand. as i see it, the pollies would be on a winner here by calling out the afl. the afl only contributing $15 million to this project is ludicrous.

How much did soccer and rugby contribute to the rectangular stadium in Melbourne? I think it was all government

 

[The_Wookie]

terrific post. the afl are past masters at manipulating the sports media and pressuring pollies in their interests. it's weak for politicians not to take a stand. as i see it, the pollies would be on a winner here by calling out the afl. the afl only contributing $15 million to this project is ludicrous.

The only other sport in the country contributing to public stadiums is cricket - and even then in nowhere near the same quantity.