The time has come Clarko, its time for change in 2010 before its too late!

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

The time has come Clarko, its time for change in 2010 before its too late!

I’ve been patience and have simply had enough of the disgraceful performances.

1. Its time to admit that the third man up in the ruck full time is not working, it leaves our midfielders in there opponents wake.
2. Renouf needs another ruckman or KKP player to lend support.
3. Ellis, Guerra, all need a stint in the VFL to gain confidence

The positive from the game
1. Hodge, Rioli is awesome.
2. White-cross and young got their first game in 2010.
3. Thomas murphys and Carl Petersens effort

Future positive
1. Shiels, Franklin return
2. Sewell, Burgoyne and Hooper will be back soon.
3. We need to take a risk and bring in Dowler, Muston, Grimley and savage
4. We need to KISS Keep it simply stupid
5. Tackle, Sheppard, Keep the ball going forward using the main corridor.
6. Hooper and Petersen crumbing of buddy.

 

[randall boner]

gee your a girl and ya know more than the coach.

 

[Flamin Joe]

1. Its time to admit that the third man up in the ruck full time is not working, it leaves our midfielders in there opponents wake.
2. Renouf needs another ruckman or KKP player to lend support.

THIS. I cannot for the life of me understand why Lisle wasn't given a spot this week, especially after his performance at BHH last weekend. Blind Freddy could of told you the third man up is just not working and is counterproductive for our midfield.

MAKE IT HAPPEN.

 

[timetochange08]

Don't hold your breath about CHANGE.Only when the club is at its knees will change come.At the moment everybody and their dog thinks some miracle will come by and change it all without any work on their part.When is Clarko going to wake up, probably when the press is out for blood and the rumours start flying about sackings.I guess you really do have to hit the bottom of the barrel for change to come.I'm afraid the club will be in the shits for years.Hold on to your 08 memories because success ain
't coming anytime soon on this train line.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

Im in Pain, its like going back in time to the late 90's. Thanks RB. I hope it does happen FJ, so Lisle is going along nicely in Boxhill?

 

[1980GFVideo]

Not trolling (how could I) just wanted your opinion on this.

Was Clarkson the beneficiary of astute recruiting and the fact that he was not able to monopolise the football department allowing blokes like Dunstall,Buckenara,Pelchen to make some pretty good moves for your club uninhibited by the coach.

Its hard to tell from where we are but do you guys think you would have got as good results as you did the year before last and probably again this year with another coach?

I think you will bounce back. Collingwood as much as I hate to say it and see it will have these type of victories.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

Don't hold your breath about CHANGE.Only when the club is at its knees will change come.At the moment everybody and their dog thinks some miracle will come by and change it all without any work on their part.When is Clarko going to wake up, probably when the press is out for blood and the rumours start flying about sackings.I guess you really do have to hit the bottom of the barrel for change to come.I'm afraid the club will be in the shits for years.Hold on to your 08 memories because success ain
't coming anytime soon on this train line.

LOL at my thread name and your user name, ironic. I dont think we need drastic change, like when Clarko came to the Hawks. Id like to see Barker moved on tho, couldnt play as a forward for us so how the hell can he coach it.

correct me if im wrong, but our condtioning coach left and weve had nothing but problems with getting blokes fit regularly since then?

 

[SA HAWK]

The clock has got to be ticking for Clarko.

Another year like last year should not be tolerated.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Always funny. Have a bad run....sack the coach. We were the same last week.

Sides often struggle after a flag for a couple of years particularly when it's young sides. Gun coaches too have down periods. That's incuded your great ones.

 

[Ledger]

Have to agree with everything been said here, I expected us to be 1 - 3 but todays performance was some of the worst football i've seen from us in years.

Morton needs to go back to Box Hill, bloke looks like he's too soft and has no confidence at all.

 

[Flamin Joe]

Im in Pain, its like going back in time to the late 90's. Thanks RB. I hope it does happen FJ, so Lisle is going along nicely in Boxhill?

I know what you mean.

Lisle was named in the best vs Werribee and also kicked 3 goals. Interested to see how he goes tommorow.

With Rougheads form all over the shop, and Lisle not being a full time Ruckman, I think the best option would be to bring him in and have him rotating with Roughead as the second ruck option/tall forward. Gives Roughead a chance to get his hands on the ball and get his confidence up, gives Renouf some desperately needed respite, and frees up the midfield to do what they do best. Win/win if you ask me.

 

[SA HAWK]

Always funny. Have a bad run....sack the coach. We were the same last week.

Sides often struggle after a flag for a couple of years particularly when it's young sides. Gun coaches too have down periods. That's incuded your great ones.

You didn't win a premiership 2 years ago.

If we fail to make the 8 this year Clarkson should be sacked.

 

[Hawksgirl4eva]

clarko must go.
he simly doesn't understand the meaning of change.

please someone anyone explain to me why Campbell brown was not put in the back line until the last five minutes of the game.

or why Shoenmakers was still on the ground or at least why he wasn't put in the forward line.

Why was Whitecross picked over lisle when renouf can barley stand up at the end of the game.
three man up is not working.

the back line wasn't functioning, every kick Whitecross or shoenmakers and sometimes Murphy had was a turnover and they simply couldn't stop their opposition. yet our best backman is in the forward half when he is clearly needed down back WHY????. he did more in those five minutes than either one of those two did the whole game.

yet Clarko refused to change his game plan when it clearly wasn't working.
i felt sorry for Renouf and Hodge.
and what in the world is wrong with Roughead he couldnt kick a goal to save his life at the momment, someone needs to stick i rocket up his ass

 

[crawf_legend]

Roughead was pretty much the only forward we had in today, and he had a bad game. Our midfield is inexperienced, lacking confidence and Sewell is being missed. Our defence is and has been in trouble and will continue to until we get Gibson back. Until we have a full side in, all 100% fit and playing their best footy, its unfair to call for Clarkson to be sacked. We also need to recruit some tall players.

 

[Hawks1523]

People calling for Clarkson to be sacked are surely joking.

We need a GOOD fowards coach to work with what we have. I'm sorry, but Barker was never a GOOD foward. Get Carey in part time, get anybody besides Barker. I like the bloke, but our foward structure and set ups aren't working.

Give Lisle games. As has been said, the third man up option is counterproductive, it wont work as much as we want it to. Yes, we have injured ruckman, but we can't continue to go into games with 1 ruckman and hope to win games with what we are using.

The hunger and desperation (tackling, pressure, getting first to the ball etc) I think will all come back, you have to remember we've had two bruising games so flat patches will come, you'll have off nights with a young lineup.

These are things we can work on. We can tweak our game plan, and find ways around our rucking problems. Sacking Clarkson will not fix any of these problems, it'll probably set us back as we'll have to adapt to a new coaches game plans.

 

[Noneedforaname]

Not trolling (how could I) just wanted your opinion on this.

Was Clarkson the beneficiary of astute recruiting and the fact that he was not able to monopolise the football department allowing blokes like Dunstall,Buckenara,Pelchen to make some pretty good moves for your club uninhibited by the coach.

Its hard to tell from where we are but do you guys think you would have got as good results as you did the year before last and probably again this year with another coach?

I think you will bounce back. Collingwood as much as I hate to say it and see it will have these type of victories.

Was the beneficiary of being able to handpick and bring a team of assistants and off field staff with him. Because these people dont take the field, its not so obvious, but I reckon their departure left as big a gap in our game as injuries, retirements, trades did to the actual team etc.

Clarko changing? Good luck, not unless its forced upon him I'd say.

Collingwood. Mrumph. I didnt realise we'd kept them as our bitches for so long, so we were bound to lose one sooner or later. Shame it had to be now, and in such a fashion.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

People calling for Clarkson to be sacked are surely joking.

We need a GOOD fowards coach to work with what we have. I'm sorry, but Barker was never a GOOD foward. Get Carey in part time, get anybody besides Barker. I like the bloke, but our foward structure and set ups aren't working.

Give Lisle games. As has been said, the third man up option is counterproductive, it wont work as much as we want it to. Yes, we have injured ruckman, but we can't continue to go into games with 1 ruckman and hope to win games with what we are using.

Sacking Clarkson will not fix any of these problems, it'll probably set us back as we'll have to adapt to a new coaches game plans.

I agree with getting a new ruck forward coach, no to carey. Too much bagage we cant afford the risk. Ben Dixon use to help Buddy and roughie, i wouldnt mind seeing him in the role.

I agree i dont think we need to sack Clarkson, but his living in the past trying to use his 2008 methiod soley to win another premiership. For him to stay though he needs be adaptable and make changes in a game before it is two late.

At half time the writting was on the Wall, Browny should of went to defence, Roughie one out at FF, maybe Petersen being the closet to him for the crumb.

 

[Hawks1523]

I agree with getting a new ruck forward coach, no to carey. Too much bagage we cant afford the risk. Ben Dixon use to help Buddy and roughie, i wouldnt mind seeing him in the role.

I agree i dont think we need to sack Clarkson, but his living in the past trying to use his 2008 methiod soley to win another premiership. For him to stay though he needs be adaptable and make changes in a game before it is two late.

At half time the writting was on the Wall, Browny should of went to defence, Roughie one out at FF, maybe Petersen being the closet to him for the crumb.

Unfortunately I was at work so I didn't get to the first half of the game. However I agree we need to change the game plan. Or at least have more strings in our bow. It seems that we STILL lack a plan b or even a plan c.

I'd hire Carey as a part time fowards coach in a heart beat. Forget about his off field issues, he is one of the games greatest ever fowards. The knowledge he would be able to impart on two young guns in Franklin and Roughead can only be beneficial, IMO. If he can get them working together better, get a setup between them to work, I'd have him at Hawthorn no questions asked.

 

[Pharaoh]

Can't blame the coach for today's performance. The majority of players were not switched on from the opening bounce. Probably the let down after two gruelling and fiercely contested losses against top 4 sides.

Yes, it was a disgraceful performance today, but I wouldn't be hitting any panic buttons until we see what happens over the next 10 weeks. We've actually been pretty good for the first three games, but haven't had much reward for effort.

Having said that, it is clear that our depth is nowhere near as good as many seem to think. Outside our top 18 players, the stocks are very thin on the ground.

 

[Miss_Hawk_Fan]

Reply to pharaoh-Our youth is young and look awesome when our experince players are on fire. Once accomplished it will be just fine, i thinking loose J kennedy will hurt us, he was tough at it developing midfeilder.

 

[Franko Armani]

NO not joking, He has the rest of the season to prove himself. As for Barker, he needs to go, we have gone from the best forward line to the worst since Viney left & Barker came.

 

[ScottMaginness]

4. We need to KISS Keep it simply stupid

We seem to be doing that already

Couldn't believe what I was seeing in the first half. We've supposedly picked players on the basis they can kick, but have gone handball happy trying to run the ball out of defence using a cluster of frequently flat footed or slow moving players.

Admittedly, some of our field kicking was atrocious and it probably would not have made much difference to the result. As it was the margin flattered us. That should have been a 20 goal thumping.

We need a general in defence to direct traffic, and right now the best option is Brown. Playing him up forward when the ball is rarely getting there is a luxury we can't afford. No one else in defence seems remotely capable of taking a defensive mark overhead at the moment or consistently being able to effect a spoil.

 

[spudmaster]

While no loss is ever enjoyable or beneficial, i think being belted may have been a better outcome than another close 'respectable loss', in part as to bring us back to reality.

My reasoning being perhaps the two respectable losses against top tier teams the last two weeks lured us into a false reality as to where we are as a team. The scorline has flattered us the last two weeks and has been more a result of oppositions poor conversion rate as opposed to factors that we have control over.

Against Geelong, the cats scored 1.7 in the second term.
Against the Dogs, the dogs scored 2.9 in the third term.

Having observed that Clarko appears hellbent on sticking to his PlanA gamestyle and playing the extra mid rather than a second ruck, using a third man up etc, part of me feels that he too has probably been overshooting where we are at.

It is for this reason that at least tonights result will help the coaching staff, as well as us supporters realise that we are still a long way off the required pace and that what we are doing isn't working as well as the scoreboard had been indicating the last couple of weeks. If we had just fallen short against the pies, sure it is better for the percentage, but we could have faced the same attitude of believing we were closer to the pace than what we were (Collingwood kicked 2.11 in the third so we can even probably consider ourselves a bit lucky that it didn't blow out further! 39 scoring shots to 19)

Here's hoping the coaching staff this week realise that changes need to happen. The 1-3 result isn't dire by any means, however the teams performance tonight was and needs to be addressed and hopefully not as simply as "buddy, sewell, burgers are due to come in soon, that will fix our problem", a bit perhaps as we have been doing the last couple of weeks with a few names coming back.

Yes, getting players back will help, but the gameplan needs work, the backline needs some serious work as it crumbles under pressure when kicking in from a behind, the forward line has been a bit hard to gauge with players missing however appears at the moment to be functioning well below par, and back to the gameplan issue, the coaching staff desperately need to have a backup plan incase planA isn't working on the day (more kicks less handballs would be a great start, and if our current plan isn't accomodating to kicks and relys on handballs then fix it, as our handskills arent at the level to use a handball style effectively yet)

Keep the faith, and take comfort in knowing 3 of the 4 hard teams are now out of the way with every game more than winnable from here on in for quite some time. If the staff can address the required issues then we should be more than competitive in each and every one of the remaining games, but if the team replicates performances like tonight then there are no 'certain wins'.

I'm sure the players will benefit greatly from the 8 day break before we head down to Aurora and take on the kangas, especially after a number of rough and tough encounters on the back of 6 day breaks (i personally thought the players looked buggered 10minutes into it tonight)

Go hawks!

 

[boric1]

The positive from the game
1. Hodge, Rioli is awesome.
.

Thought rioli was fairly good but i noticed he was completely screwed by the end of the game, was jogging to uncontested balls and what not.
I have one question is it because he was so tired from early in the game or is he still nursing an injury and not at full fitness?

 

[fugu]

While no loss is ever enjoyable or beneficial, i think being belted may have been a better outcome than another close 'respectable loss', in part as to bring us back to reality.

My reasoning being perhaps the two respectable losses against top tier teams the last two weeks lured us into a false reality as to where we are as a team. The scorline has flattered us the last two weeks and has been more a result of oppositions poor conversion rate as opposed to factors that we have control over.

Against Geelong, the cats scored 1.7 in the second term.
Against the Dogs, the dogs scored 2.9 in the third term.

Having observed that Clarko appears hellbent on sticking to his PlanA gamestyle and playing the extra mid rather than a second ruck, using a third man up etc, part of me feels that he too has probably been overshooting where we are at.

It is for this reason that at least tonights result will help the coaching staff, as well as us supporters realise that we are still a long way off the required pace and that what we are doing isn't working as well as the scoreboard had been indicating the last couple of weeks. If we had just fallen short against the pies, sure it is better for the percentage, but we could have faced the same attitude of believing we were closer to the pace than what we were (Collingwood kicked 2.11 in the third so we can even probably consider ourselves a bit lucky that it didn't blow out further! 39 scoring shots to 19)

Here's hoping the coaching staff this week realise that changes need to happen. The 1-3 result isn't dire by any means, however the teams performance tonight was and needs to be addressed and hopefully not as simply as "buddy, sewell, burgers are due to come in soon, that will fix our problem", a bit perhaps as we have been doing the last couple of weeks with a few names coming back.

Yes, getting players back will help, but the gameplan needs work, the backline needs some serious work as it crumbles under pressure when kicking in from a behind, the forward line has been a bit hard to gauge with players missing however appears at the moment to be functioning well below par, and back to the gameplan issue, the coaching staff desperately need to have a backup plan incase planA isn't working on the day (more kicks less handballs would be a great start, and if our current plan isn't accomodating to kicks and relys on handballs then fix it, as our handskills arent at the level to use a handball style effectively yet)

Keep the faith, and take comfort in knowing 3 of the 4 hard teams are now out of the way with every game more than winnable from here on in for quite some time. If the staff can address the required issues then we should be more than competitive in each and every one of the remaining games, but if the team replicates performances like tonight then there are no 'certain wins'.

Go hawks!

By far the most constructive post tonight. Well said.