The total biasness and lack of understanding of the Australian Public

[Slamin]

Well the way I see it is it is India who are not playing in the spirit of the game.

They are the ones who have to learn to take the umpires decision.

Yes...Singh was reported for racial abuse over a term that pre series was accepted as racist. It was not an Aussie that suspended him for 3 games ! I am the first to admit however that I was surprised by the report, but if you sit back a little shouldnt we be applauding Ponting for not accepting that type of behaviour. Added to this is the fact it is not his first time is it !!

The umpiring ( which were shocking ) is out of Australias hands ! Thank god for neutral umpires otherwise we would have looked as bad as the sub continent umpires a decade ago.

Both sides, infact all sides over appeal IMO, but when a test is going down to the wire and the tension is very high as it was, ALL bowling sides over do it.

Catches..both sides agreed to accept the fielders version. A great example of this was when Ponting called back Dravid (?), and he is still copping it !!!

As for the celebrations...yes a little over the top, but gee you could tell it meant alot and so it should. Have a look at the reply of when India beat Pakistan recently ( I think it was 20/20 ) they went crazy as well and ignored their opposition until the celebrations died down.

I have looked and looked and cannot believe the hysteria and crap written against the Aussies. No , they are no angels, but it is India who are bringing the game into disrepute but having a very big sulk because some things have not gone the way they wanted.

It should be everyone getting stuck into India for their petulant behaviour.

 

[HitEmHardFreo]

MODS!!!!!!!!!!!

R Man, Punter, is that you, squealing again?

Yeah, look, the spirit of cricket concept is a load of crap.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Fact: India got a bad deal with the umpires. You deal with it and move on. Whinging is pathetic.

Fact: Harbhajan was found guilty of being racist and got what he deserved.

Fact: India are behaving like spoilt children.

Fact: Australia have done NOTHING wrong. If you don't like the way we play the game, HTFU.

Fact: Anyone calling for Punter to be sacked deserves to be deported.

Fact: People who support other nations or people who have grown up in this dominant era are sick of us winning and are trying to pull our team down any way they can. The message from the bulk of Australian cricket fans to these people is "Deal with it".

Fact: We are the best in the world and have been for a long time. Teams try to take us on and when they fail they whinge and look for someone to blame.

Fact: Our celebrations were perfectly fine given how close the test was. I laugh when Indians criticise our celebrations yet had no problem with Harbhajans antics when he got Ricky Ponting out in the first innings.

Deal with it.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Whats wrong with Geelong ? Are you trying to say something ?

henry123 ...

Nothing at all, just an observation. The Hawks seem to have many Anti-Australia people on this board, too, as do the Eagles.

 

[R00StaR]

The act of making the catch shall start from the time when a fielder first handles the ball and shall end when a fielder obtains complete control both over the ball and over his own movement.

Exactly, Ponting was in total control of all of the above! That was very clear to see, the catch was clean.

Even if one was to concede it may not of been, its a grey area at best. Certainly NO reason for India to be taking any moral high ground!

 

[FuManchu]

... is beyond belief.

The over reaction from the Indian public to a game is beyond belief

A few dodgy decisions each way blaa blaa the realism of the fact is it blatantly denied India even a chance to win and draw the series level.

yeah, they are the only team to ever get a rough trot from the umps. I wonder what a lot of teams touring the sub continent feel after home town decisions, even from independent umps feel. Its called cricket and it happens to all teams. It just seems that when it happen to the Indians, their first course of action is to suggest a walkout, a bit like in the 70's

However, this is nor the concern nor arguement of any Indian regarding the Singh incident.

A simple action has been taken by the Indian Cricket Board regarding the matter in which they requested to the ICC that Bucknor be dumped as Umpire for the Perth test, thankfully their wish was granted.

Bucknor is not the issue, the issue is undue influence from a self righteous bunch of whingers who cant abide by the umpires decision if it means they look like losing. Bucknor was shocking, but what if the next ump is shocking and the next and the next? Do we have to sit back and watch continual interference in the arbitration of the game? Or will they actually allow the ICC to set in place other remedial actions other than kneejerk short term solutions?

However the 'spirit' or lack of it shown by the Australians was a disgrace and of great cause for concern. Everyone who witnessed the last day of the match did not witness a great test victory, a heroic moment in Australian test history simply morals, spirit and the old fashioned 'good bloke' status slide down the drain.

Harbhajan didnt walk when bowled, forget all talk about the spirit of the game, the Indians are hypocrits. Much like the two right handed gloves, a deliberate ploy to curtail the number of overs bowled. pfft,'spirit of the game' Give me a break. They are just as competitive as the Australians and given similar circumstances that the Australians faced, they would have been going for the kill themselves on Sunday.

The Dravid dismissal was appauling at best and all who witnessed it know that, appealing in the spirit of the game is done when the other team believes it is out ? Thats what im guessing and anyone around the bat who believed Dravid had hit that desserves to be shot.

therefore every Indian appeal that is obviously bullshit from this time on can be seen to be appalling and the team will be branded as not playing in the spirit.

OR

we can allow players to appeal and let the umpires adjudicate, as has been the case for over a hundred years and if I'm not mistaken, was the case on Sunday. Good or bad decisions occur and they will both continue to occur

The Clarke catch is hard to make out, my initial impressions was that it bounced, as shown on replay the evidence is inconclusive resulting in the batsmen receving the benefit of the doubt instead of an umpire believing a pretty boy suckhole who plays up for the crowd.

Clake believed he took it, and the agreement was that players who believed they took it will be awarded a catch. Much like Ponting who ruiled out a catch. If Kumble didnt like this arrangement prior to the series, he should have dont something then. But as it stands, you are only allowing Kumble the right to question Australian intentions, but what about questioning hjis intentions in questioning the Australians.

These are only 2 incidents when clearly there were many more...

My understanding of the matter is that the Australian cricket public in general is ignorant to these matters and takes it as offensive when Kumble raises the issue of The Aussies not playing in the spirit of the game.

Again, the Indians have a poor track record themselves as evidenced by one of their players refusing to walk after being cleaned bowled.

The celebration of the Aussies rubbed sult into the wounds and to steep as low as they did for a win, well nothing is worth that much.

Well excuse them for fighting hard to win a match and then celebrating. maybe they should have done a few rolls on the turf like harbhajan.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I think there are two issues here.

There's the bad umpiring and then the alleged bad sportsmanship.

The OP attempts to conflate the two, but surely they are separate matters.

India got dudded by the umpires. No doubt. They should lodge an official complaint and do whatever they need to do to make their displeasure known.

But to suggest Australia is somehow culpable for those bad decisions is laughable.

Onto the issue of sportsmanship. What did Australia do that India didn't also do at some stage? Both sides made dubious appeals. Both teams refused to walk when clearly out. I don't see where Australia have sunk lower than India.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Exactly, Ponting was in total control of all of the above! That was very clear to see, the catch was clean.

I don't think it was clean.

The ball touched the ground as Ponting fell.

If a guy is diving in mid-air and on his way down, he can't be considered to be in control of his movements.

 

[worthy]

BTW
No-one would disagree that India have every right to appeal the decision, suggesting they would cancel the tour if they didn't get the result they want is what most question.

 

[Matt_TY]

Ahh, but we won, Gunnar, and therein lies the real crux of the BCCI and Indian team's problem with us. If it'd been a draw or loss the Indians would even now be in Canberra.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Ahh, but we won, Gunnar, and therein lies the real crux of the BCCI and Indian team's problem with us. If it'd been a draw or loss the Indians would even now be in Canberra.

That's a bit cynical.

It may be true, but I'd at least like to try to address some of the complaints in a straightforward manner.

I'm just waiting for someone to outline those complaints in a vaguely coherent way.

 

[worthy]

I think there are two issues here.

There's the bad umpiring and then the alleged bad sportsmanship.

The OP attempts to conflate the two, but surely they are separate matters.

India got dudded by the umpires. No doubt. They should lodge an official complaint and do whatever they need to do to make their displeasure known.

But to suggest Australia is somehow culpable for those bad decisions is laughable.

Onto the issue of sportsmanship. What did Australia do that India didn't also do at some stage? Both sides made dubious appeals. Both teams refused to walk when clearly out. I don't see where Australia have sunk lower than India.

It makes me feel dirty but I agree with you here GL.

 

[weevil]

BTW
No-one would disagree that India have every right to appeal the decision, suggesting they would cancel the tour if they didn't get the result they want is what most question.

Indeed.

 

[sharks19]

Yes, the ISSUES ARE VERY SEPERATE.

I see people and the media mixing them together and this leads to mroe confusion and trouble.

The Bad umpiring, The way the Aussie's play and the Racist Issues are all seperate.

Australia couldnt help the bad umpiring but have to ask themselves to what extent they contributed to the other too.

Maybe Harbi can plead not guilty again due to extreme provacation?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

It makes me feel dirty but I agree with you here GL.

Look at Peter Roebuck's ridiculous piece of hyperbolic gibberish in this morning's papers.

He comes out firing, saying Ponting should be sacked.

But nowhere in his article does he actually lay out the crimes of this Australian side.

Surely that's the first box that should be checked.

How can you call for an extreme punishment without first establishing the exact nature of Ponting's supposed crimes?

Peter Roebuck is a clown, but I've seen the same logical ellipses filtering into pretty much all discussion of this absurd furore.

Can somone tell me precisely what Australia did that was so bad? And let's limit it to things that India didn't also do during the course of the match.

 

[Tapee]

Fact: Harbhajan was found guilty of being racist and got what he deserved.

...

Fact: Australia have done NOTHING wrong. If you don't like the way we play the game, HTFU.

The top is pending an appeal, there's a good chance he'll be found not guilty due to lack of evidence so you'd do well to hold your horses on labelling him a racist.

Claiming grounded catches, allegedly insulting someone's birth status and various other things that happened throughout the course of the match... nothing wrong with that!

Exactly, Ponting was in total control of all of the above! That was very clear to see, the catch was clean.

Even if one was to concede it may not of been, its a grey area at best. Certainly NO reason for India to be taking any moral high ground!

Gravity suggests otherwise. You don't have complete control over your movements when you're plummeting towards the Earth, when he landed the ball touched the ground.

 

[R00StaR]

I don't think it was clean.

The ball touched the ground as Ponting fell.

If a guy is diving in mid-air and on his way down, he can't be considered to be in control of his movements.

Your kidding right?

He was so in control of his movement he didnt have to roll over to protect the ball. He was so in control he could save a hard crash into the turf and hang onto the ball! He couldve broken out and done 50 push ups and still held onto it without missing a beat. Not in control pfft.......

 

[Slamin]

Look at Peter Roebuck's ridiculous piece of hyperbolic gibberish in this morning's papers.

He comes out firing, saying Ponting should be sacked.

But nowhere in his article does he actually lay out the crimes of this Australian side.

Surely that's the first box that should be checked.

How can you call for an extreme punishment without first establishing the exact nature of Ponting's supposed crimes?

Peter Roebuck is a clown, but I've seen the same logical ellipses filtering into pretty much all discussion of this absurd furore.

Can somone tell me precisely what Australia did that was so bad? And let's limit it to things that India didn't also do during the course of the match.

they won the test, mongrels..lol

 

[Butane]

The celebration of the Aussies rubbed sult into the wounds and to steep as low as they did for a win, well nothing is worth that much.

You think the Aussies celebrate to much when they win with 7 balls remaining after taking 3 wickets in 4 balls?

Lets have a look at what the Indians do when they take one wicket.......

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Case closed.

 

[FuManchu]

Yes, the ISSUES ARE VERY SEPERATE.

I see people and the media mixing them together and this leads to mroe confusion and trouble.

The Bad umpiring, The way the Aussie's play and the Racist Issues are all seperate.

Australia couldnt help the bad umpiring but have to ask themselves to what extent they contributed to the other too.

Maybe Harbi can plead not guilty again due to extreme provacation?

Go and watch the umps in India give home town decisions because of the crowd intimidation. The Aussies appeal, big deal, so too do the Indians, both excessively at times. Its called cricket and the umps adjudicate.

As for the racist comment. Singh was told 3 month ago that those words were not on, if he said them again, then it is deliberate targeting of someones race. If it was one of us, we'd be hung drawn and quartered, but because it comes from a so called 'sikh warrior' he has some latitude I guess. India has insidious institutionalised racism and Singh is an example of that.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

The Bad umpiring, The way the Aussie's play and the Racist Issues are all seperate.

Australia couldnt help the bad umpiring but have to ask themselves to what extent they contributed to the other too.

I think that's a slippery slope.

Let's assume Harbhajan was provoked. That doesn't make racial vilification any more acceptable.

If he said what he is alleged to have said, he deserves to be punished.

 

[Jef Costello]

Surely any failures that took place in the test lie at the feet of the umpires. The poor decisions were theirs and no matter who it favoured (obviously Aus) this is a worry far beyond this test match.

Australia is entitled to appeal and it is up to the umpire to say yay or nay. If Australia go over the top in their appealing then it is up to the umpires to warn, report etc.

l lay the blame 100% at the umpires for losing control of the game. That is their job. And thus the ICC for producing shite umpires and a overly restricted panel. Needs to be expanded.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Your kidding right?

He was so in control of his movement he didnt have to roll over to protect the ball. He was so in control he could save a hard crash into the turf and hang onto the ball! He couldve broken out and done 50 push ups and still held onto it without missing a beat. Not in control pfft.......

He was falling to the ground. That's not "in control".

It's a bit academic anyway - the umpire didn't give it out because he didn't detect the edge off Dhoni's finger.

I'm not saying Ponting was wrong to appeal.

 

[ManWithNoName]

The top is pending an appeal, there's a good chance he'll be found not guilty due to lack of evidence so you'd do well to hold your horses on labelling him a racist.

I said he's been found of being guilty of being racist. Let's not twist words.

Claiming grounded catches, allegedly insulting someone's birth status and various other things that happened throughout the course of the match... nothing wrong with that!

Care to prove that they knew it hit the ground? In the speed the ball's moving and the speed you're moving you can't be sure if it hit the ground when it's that close.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Claiming grounded catches, allegedly insulting someone's birth status and various other things that happened throughout the course of the match... nothing wrong with that!

Which catches were conclusively grounded?

Do you actually think calling someone a "bastard" constitutes vilification?

I like the "various other things". You've basically run out of complaints.