The trade we NEED to do

[noodlebrain]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

The thread was about who we trade from our best 22.
IMO mcdougal isn't, potentially yes.
Rowan jones? maybe best 25 or 27.

Fletcher is the one right now we can afford to let go the most(out of out top tier) Butler looks to be a similar player.

Personaly I wouldn't want to lose fletcher, but if kepler or lance wanted to come home I wouldn't mind to much. (plus a pick)

Ready made kpp's may be on market?
I dont think their is,But If we wanted to entice carlton to think to put fevola on the market, it would take a quality player(eg fletcher) and a pick. not a potential player like mcdougall or handy at best player in jones.

I think you'll find pavlova and mcpharlin>lynch.

The thread is about who we would consider trading from our best 22. My point is that throwing McDougall's name up, or even RoJo, is not a silly consideration, as both have been good enough to be picked in our best 22 at some stages during the season.
I agree with Fletcher and possibly Gardi but what do we get in return? Fevola, no thanks!! I would expect a something with a bit more ummmmm .....quality.

 

[Frodo]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Don't think we would trade Brauny. Been good lately and provides the toughness we lack. I don't think we'd get to much for him given injuries and age.

tough brauny? weakest tackler we have. 110% runner who is important to our balance yes.

 

[smilingassassin]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I'd trade Fletcher if the right offer was put on the table. He's 27, has patchy disposal, and rarely stands up when the pressure is on. Very much a front runner. He is definately expendable, especially with our midfield depth and the youngsters still coming through.

Braun is another we could spare from our midfield, though his trade value probably means he wouldn't be worth trading.

Right about Fletcher wrong about Braun - he has been fabulous this year.

 

[smilingassassin]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

DOB: 30 August '79

Happy birthday Chad

 

[noodlesister]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

But is a far better forward than anything Freo's got!!!

Lynch .. better than Pavlich or McPharlin. Just what are you smoking, Frodo?

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

We wont trade for a key forward face it. We either have to develop one from our list that we already have or draft some that may come good in 2-3 years. In hindsight we really should've gone after Nathan Thompson, at the time I really didn't want him but seeing how good he has played this year for the Roos he would've easily been worth what we gave for Stinger.

 

[Bomber1313]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

my bad.
*deleted*

 

[Bomber1313]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

The thread is about who we would consider trading from our best 22. My point is that throwing McDougall's name up, or even RoJo, is not a silly consideration, as both have been good enough to be picked in our best 22 at some stages during the season.
I agree with Fletcher and possibly Gardi but what do we get in return? Fevola, no thanks!! I would expect a something with a bit more ummmmm .....quality.

Ok It was Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?
They were in the 22 beacause of injuries. Not the best 22.
Where close to our best 22 now, and their not in it.
Who would you bring in for rojo ahead of?

butler, grayham, bones?, plus waters and mcconnel injured.
Then who do you take out?
Sampi, is the closest to the chopping block IMO.



I used fevola as an example, we cant say mcdougall, rojo and our high 1st round pick (or even all our picks) for fev(or any pretty good key forward) and hope carlton(any club) jump at it.
Again example.


Oh and 49 goals from 19 games =2.5 goals a game, not great, but for a FF in a wooden spoon team isn't to far off quality IMO.

 

[jod23]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

We rarely make big trades. And I doubt very much that we will make one this year either. And why bother? We won 17 games and finished second with only % keeping us out of top spot?

I think were on the right track....

 

[noodlebrain]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Ok It was Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?
They were in the 22 beacause of injuries. Not the best 22.
Where close to our best 22 now, and their not in it.
Who would you bring in for rojo ahead of?

butler, grayham, bones?, plus waters and mcconnel injured.
Then who do you take out?
Sampi, is the closest to the chopping block IMO.



I used fevola as an example, we cant say mcdougall, rojo and our high 1st round pick (or even all our picks) for fev(or any pretty good key forward) and hope carlton(any club) jump at it.
Again example.


Oh and 49 goals from 19 games =2.5 goals a game, not great, but for a FF in a wooden spoon team isn't to far off quality IMO.

Look, I agree with you on most points. I was just making the point that dismissing someone elses opinion as silly is harsh, especially when it's not such a silly suggestion, IMO.
Yes Fevola is quality in terms of ability, but I was referring to the whole package..........or should I say baggage???

 

[BarcaRulz]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I think we should offlaod one of the small forwards we have. We have to many of them , while we really need someone more like Lynch and Gardiner to do the job up front. I say trade off Sampi, he seems to be too hot headed any way, and bring a promising tall forward. That would be the best thing on offer..

To all the people who say Kerr and Fletcher, are u crazy? they were both excellent this year, and fletcher was the best player in the team these past couple of weeks.

 

[shirls]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I agree that we should shop Fletcher around for a possible trade. He is a very good player and would have great value at the moment hence we would get something of value in return.

Why I wouldnt get rid of Kerr is because he is hard at the ball and we dont have many of them at the moment - probabaly only Judd as I beleive Cuz is an outside mindfield int he mould of Fletcher.

Fletcher though we have younger players like LeCras and Morton who could possibly fill his position and fill it well with experince

A team like Essendon would crave for a player like Fletcher. We could play hard ball and other them Fletcher for Kepler Bradley who would hold down CHB for the next 8-10 years. Anyone knows anything about footy would agree that we would win out of this deal.

Trading Sampi would also be a suggestion but you wouldnt get rid of him unless you got a suitable trade back. Sampi is the next Phil Matera in time but yes still shop around for a suitable deal.

Gairdner no way as his tarde value would be at a all time low. Give him one more year after a big injury free pre-season and then watch him burn. Possible move back tot he ruck next year?? If he could go tot he ruck maybe shop Seaby around??

Basically any player on the list (bar Cuz & Judd) are tradable given the right trade!!

 

[TheReason]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I agree that we should shop Fletcher around for a possible trade. He is a very good player and would have great value at the moment hence we would get something of value in return.

Why I wouldnt get rid of Kerr is because he is hard at the ball and we dont have many of them at the moment - probabaly only Judd as I beleive Cuz is an outside mindfield int he mould of Fletcher.

Fletcher though we have younger players like LeCras and Morton who could possibly fill his position and fill it well with experince

A team like Essendon would crave for a player like Fletcher. We could play hard ball and other them Fletcher for Kepler Bradley who would hold down CHB for the next 8-10 years. Anyone knows anything about footy would agree that we would win out of this deal.

Trading Sampi would also be a suggestion but you wouldnt get rid of him unless you got a suitable trade back. Sampi is the next Phil Matera in time but yes still shop around for a suitable deal.

Gairdner no way as his tarde value would be at a all time low. Give him one more year after a big injury free pre-season and then watch him burn. Possible move back tot he ruck next year?? If he could go tot he ruck maybe shop Seaby around??

Basically any player on the list (bar Cuz & Judd) are tradable given the right trade!!

Agree with pretty much everything here.

Kerr = No way unless some unbelievable (once in a lifetime) deal came along
Fletcher - worth shopping around for, but don't give him away.
gardiner - Undervalued = No Trade
Sampi - At the right price

P.S. Kepler Bradley for Fletcher would be the steal of the century for us. Essendon are not Freo.... we have no hope in hell on that one.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Sampi seems to be in the same boat as Staker was when "Staker = Useless" threads were floating around. People need to understand that a few bad games don’t make you trade bait or a nominee for delistment. I'll concede that at this stage Sampi is over weight and out of form, but I guarantee that it isn't an attitude issue with him. He's just one of those blokes who puts on weight very easily; it’s like that with a lot of Aboriginal people, and Sampi’s time on the sidelines has lead to excess lard. It sucks that it happened when we need him most but you get that.

I predict that after every injury, Sampi will take a lot longer than most players to come back into form.

As far as trading someone from our best 22 how about big bad Quinten Lynch? We have a lot of KPP who are at least as good as him and should be vying for a foward role next season (Gaspar, Staker, McDougall and Smith come to mind, plus we already have Gardiner, Hansen and Seaby in the team).

Lynch would also be good for a second rounder because he's played all year at FF, which stands for something in the eyes of other teams. A 2nd round pick is a lot more than what we got him for (Rookie listed player) and I don't see much improvement left in him, not that he’s anything special anyway. I think that he’s defiantly a player whose stock is higher than his actual value.

 

[94_Eagles]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I fail to see how an AFL player can be overweight with all the running/training they do.

 

[sinepari]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I fail to see how an AFL player can be overweight with all the running/training they do.

Hungry Jacks vouchers

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I fail to see how an AFL player can be overweight with all the running/training they do.

What if you were injured and couldn't run?

 

[Frodo]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Lynch .. better than Pavlich or McPharlin. Just what are you smoking, Frodo?

Better that McPharlin at FF yes. But I think McPharlin is better as a defender. Pav, well he's a star, but don't call him a forward. He's a utility. He's played all over the shop for freo.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I don't understand why people say "no thanks" to Fevola? In a team with a midfield like ours he'd be an 80 goal a year FF. I would trade Fletcher for Fevola in the blink of an eye. In fact, I hope the eagles do target Fevola. We know how much Pagan likes recycled players, so we know he's open to offers.

 

[jod23]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Nobody ever gives up a quality tall for a small so shopping Fletcher wont get us far. We have to develop the kids. Staker and Hansen and hope Gaspar can come back. I just dont think we can trade for a quality tall.

Oh and why Bradley? CHB is alright at the moment??

 

[The_Eagles]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

I don't understand why people say "no thanks" to Fevola? In a team with a midfield like ours he'd be an 80 goal a year FF. I would trade Fletcher for Fevola in the blink of an eye. In fact, I hope the eagles do target Fevola. We know how much Pagan likes recycled players, so we know he's open to offers.

yes me too, same here

 

[BarcaRulz]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

i dont care which FF they get, but as long as he can mark and kick goals then we need one. We have an excellent midfield, but our forwards are way too short, so we cant really pass to them in one on one situations which is why wce turn the ball over alot. Fevola would be nice, Gherig would be a dream..

 

[TheReason]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Sampi seems to be in the same boat as Staker was when "Staker = Useless" threads were floating around. People need to understand that a few bad games don’t make you trade bait or a nominee for delistment. I'll concede that at this stage Sampi is over weight and out of form, but I guarantee that it isn't an attitude issue with him. He's just one of those blokes who puts on weight very easily.

Good comments

I think he is far from useless, he is very talented and can rip a game apart in 5 minutes... but he's failed to do anything since his return from injury.

Dropping him ATM is not that big a deal. His career isn't finished if that occurs. Just needs to sort his priorities out, i.e. Football > Hungry Jacks & Turtle Eggs.

I'd trade him at the right price, but theres a lot of upside to come.

As far as trading someone from our best 22 how about big bad Quinten Lynch? We have a lot of KPP who are at least as good as him... (Gaspar, Staker, McDougall and Smith...Gardiner, Hansen and Seaby) .

Gaspar - Still has not been on the park consistently. If he gets to play for us regularly, it should be looked at, as a bonus... don't count ya chickens. Love the bloke, best contested mark in the team, I hope he comes good.

Staker - Getting there, needs to bulk up more = a few years away. May become a brilliant HFF rather than a KPP in the forward line.

McDougall - If he gets his hunger & intensity up = could be anything

Gardiner - Has to play more than 3 consecutive games

Hansen - Needs time to develop into a contested grab player at CHF... Prob a few years away from achieving that.

Seaby - Good Ruckman, A bit ordinary / inconsistent in the Fwd Line = a bit part player ATM. Lots of upside of course.

Smith - Back from a knee = unproven and who knows.


Not been negative on the above guys but we don't know if they will all stand up. If they all do, its an emberrasment of riches.

Lynch - Not the best FF, but provides a contest. If any of the above make FF their own, then Lynch can:

Become a pinch-hitter
Go to CHB
Insurance in case a tall goes down to injury.

His trade value would not be too flash IMO. I'd keep him whilst the other talls are still unproven / need more time to develop.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Lynch - Not the best FF, but provides a contest. If any of the above make FF their own, then Lynch can:

Become a pinch-hitter
Go to CHB
Insurance in case a tall goes down to injury.

His trade value would not be too flash IMO. I'd keep him whilst the other talls are still unproven / need more time to develop.

Lynch's trade value will never be higher unless he starts to put together above average games, in which case we shouldn't/wouldn't trade him. On the basis of his market value being so high I'd trade him and hope and that Staker/McDougall/Smith etc. come along and cover for him. It would be a gamble because those players might not step up as expected (I thought this year would be McDougall’s break out season and we know what happened) but I don’t think that getting rid of Lynch now would be such a huge loss. IMO he won’t be an AFL player for 200 games by any stretch of the imagination but I suppose that that opinion varies from person to person.

This basically comes down to my radical approach against your conservative one; based on history the West Coast staff will likely side with you.

Just for the record I wouldn't take anything less then a second round pick for Lynch.

Re: Sampi. Agree with everything you said except I don't doubt his commitment.

 

[shirls]

Re: Who from our best 22 should we consider trading?

Perhaps Fletcher and McConnel for Bradley?? Both running midfielders which Essendon are seeking so badley.

As for getting Bradley, I know we have the talls but everyone is pinning their hopes on Smith, Gasper and McDouglas.
Smith is comming back from a knee injury, Gasper hasnt played AFL for a year and a half (or more) and McDougal well he is just soft.

Out of those three the only one you would proabably bank on getting through an entire match would be McDougal and that would be beacuse he is soft and doesn tlike to get hit. Fingers crossed he finds a heart in the off season and bulks up but I think his time has come.

Bradley is a playey that can come straight into the Eagle sline up with no question marks against his name.

Bradley would free up Hunter as the third tall (where he is best suited) allow Staker to play as a HFF and if Gasper does come back (fingers crossed he does) their is you CHF or even FF??

Smith has never played AFL footy and yes he does well at WAFL level but their is no gaurantee he will go okay next year. Due to his age and the injury he has sustained I for one would delist him at the end of the year - yes harsh but I would give his spot to Jamie Grayam.