The US Presidential Election Thread

[Chadwiko]

He doesn’t care either way. It was her camp that reached out in the first place.

Errr... No.

She is responding to his invitation and request.

 

[Val Keating]

Errr... No.

She is responding to his invitation and request.

There was an article weeks ago about her campaign reaching out to him because Trump was getting ahead with young males in the polls.

Doesn’t matter either way.

He doesn’t need to travel to anyone to do a one hour podcast. He’d probably rather have a 3 hour show with a beekeeper or some obscure person that camps on his own in a forest 9 months a year.

The only episodes I can think of that come close to what she’s asking was with far more interesting people via Skype, like McPhee when he was on the run and Edward Snowden.

 

[The Warlord]

The US election is like the trade period of international politics.

It goes far too long, the real action doesn't happen until a few hours at the very end, and despite all of us knowing we have absolutely zero influence on the outcome, we can't help but post and argue endlessly about it.

 

[ferball]

I disagree with you.

Taiwan is a special case. It's too intertwined with the United States projected power and influence.

Any Taiwanese territory gets invaded by the PRC and we are off to the races. I genuinely believe that.

By the way, the United States believes it too which is why they're investing massively to re-establish and re-build western Pacific military bases that haven't been used since WW2, like Tinian. It's all part of the new US military’s Agile Combat Employment (ACE) policy. You should read up on it because it would interest you, but TLDR it's about diversifying their forces and FOBs in the Pacific region so China can't take them all out simultaneously.

I'm not a big "China is evil and they are the enemy!" kind of guy. I've been to China. I speak Mandarin (poorly, but still). But facts are facts; the Taiwanese issue is the #1 most likely match that will start the fire that turns into WW3.

THis is the part of taiwan I'm talking about. Its those three or four islands.

Kinmen Islands · Kinmen County, Taiwan

âââââ · Archipelago

www.google.com

Its undefendable, would be impossible to retake and would be a big FU to Taiwan and the West. Honestly don't understand why they haven't done it yet.

 

[ferball]

That facility at Broady was vital for producing AZ.

More the UQ one. But they just bet on the wrong method and it didn't work. Is the basis of the scientific method right.

If they had years to beaver away in the lab, they probably would have nailed it quickly.

But they only had one shot. Lot of retconning these days about what it was actually like in 2020, the genuine panic and distress

Yeah the UQ one was unlucky. There are 40 vaccines for covid. Nearly all of them were developed by the end of March 2021.

I agree about the bolded but panic is not a good response in a crisis.

And in Australia it was ridiculous. We allowed people to quarantine in city hotels instead of outside built up areas... imagine if had been as potent as SARS or even worse MERS. It was like trying to scratch your arse and whistle at the same time.

But compared to Trump our response was genius level.

 

[Chadwiko]

THis is the part of taiwan I'm talking about. Its those three or four islands.

Kinmen Islands · Kinmen County, Taiwan

âââââ · Archipelago

www.google.com

Its undefendable, would be impossible to retake and would be a big FU to Taiwan and the West. Honestly don't understand why they haven't done it yet.

I'm well aware of those islands. Doesn't change my position on the topic.

 

[Gasometer]

So all the people at the rally could have worn black face and then apologised later and it’s all good ?

Stop defending the indefensible

 

[travelli]

There was an article weeks ago about her campaign reaching out to him because Trump was getting ahead with young males in the polls.

Doesn’t matter either way.

He doesn’t need to travel to anyone to do a one hour podcast. He’d probably rather have a 3 hour show with a beekeeper or some obscure person that camps on his own in a forest 9 months a year.

The only episodes I can think of that come close to what she’s asking was with far more interesting people via Skype, like McPhee when he was on the run and Edward Snowden.

If she could sit there and have a solid, normal chat for 2 - 3 hours it would make a huge difference for the uncertain voters.

Depends how bad they need it.

 

[The Warlord]

Yeah the UQ one was unlucky. There are 40 vaccines for covid. Nearly all of them were developed by the end of March 2021.

I agree about the bolded but panic is not a good response in a crisis.

It isn't, but it is inevitable.

And in Australia it was ridiculous. We allowed people to quarantine in city hotels instead of outside built up areas... imagine if had been as potent as SARS or even worse MERS. It was like trying to scratch your arse and whistle at the same time.

Yeah, nobody had had to deal with this for a century though. Hard lessons have to be re-learned.

The Brits could import every experienced Australian bushfire fighter to lecture them every week ... but when the big fires they're gunna get really hit, it'll all go to shit because they just have no experience dealing with large scale wild fire.

But compared to Trump our response was genius level.

Yep, agreed. Even compared to the UK.

 

[Val Keating]

If she could sit there and have a solid, normal chat for 2 - 3 hours it would make a huge difference for the uncertain voters.

Depends how bad they need it.

Her team is probably worried he’d go after her so they want control over the situation and some control over the podcast being released if it goes bad.

It’s the safe thing to do, but I don’t think he’d do that. He never goes after anyone, in fact he gets criticised for not going after people.

 

[ferball]

It isn't, but it is inevitable.

You need people who can control panic responses in emergencies. But often being calm in those situations means there's something else wrong with you, like a spectrum issue or psychotic/sociopathic tendencies.

Yeah, nobody had had to deal with this for a century though. Hard lessons have to be re-learned.

The Brits could import every experienced Australian bushfire fighter to lecture them every week ... but when the big fires they're gunna get really hit, it'll all go to shit because they just have no experience dealing with large scale wild fire.

Yeah true. After fires we try to debrief incidents. Its a blame free zone for people who **** up too. The point is to go over decisions you made, and why you made them and reassess your responses in order to respond more effectively next time. This is how you get the most out of the experience you just had.

IMo wrt to covid, next time quarantine people from overseas outside of urban areas. (That's if the border stays open in any way.) Next time it will probably be worse.

 

[ferball]

Her team is probably worried he’d go after her so they want control over the situation and some control over the podcast being released if it goes bad.

It’s the safe thing to do, but I don’t think he’d do that. He never goes after anyone, in fact he gets criticised for not going after people.

Isn't his model thing that he has a friendly chat and shoots shit about stuff. He isn't into cross examining people. (Not that I've even watched anything he's done for years. But that's how it was.)

 

[Chadwiko]

HUGE crowd for Harris' rally in DC tonight;

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[Ichiro #51]

What are people’s thoughts on the MAGA movement surviving post Trump? Will there be a return to a more traditional Republican Party or will MAGA continue to be a big part of their identity?

 

[Chadwiko]

What are people’s thoughts on the MAGA movement surviving post Trump? Will there be a return to a more traditional Republican Party or will MAGA continue to be a big part of their identity?

Depends on who wins this upcoming election tbh.

1. Trump wins, and MAGA is 'legitimised' as the path to victory for Republicans. The future of the party will be the Trump nepotism model and the only policy that matters will be 'owning the libs!'
2. Trump loses, and I think there'll be a massive power vacuum in the Republican tent that will result in factional warfare similar to what we saw with the rise and fall of the Tea Party, but to a much larger scale.

 

[Chadwiko]

Live feed of Kamala's DC speech that will start soon.

Really can't overstate how massive the crowd is;

 

[Chadwiko]

 

[The Warlord]

You need people who can control panic responses in emergencies. But often being calm in those situations means there's something else wrong with you, like a spectrum issue or psychotic/sociopathic tendencies.

Andrews and his team were calm, but because of their experience with Black Saturday when they were caught completely unprepared, they absolutely applied the wrong lessons, notable deferring to the emergency services, especially police, on everything.

Yes, you need cops stopping people from going back into at risk bushfire zones coz that's what led to so many avoidable Black Saturday deaths.

No, you don't let the cops decide the form of a health response in Housing Commission towers in Flem and North Melbourne.

By 2021 they were much much better at engaging with those kinds of communities though, they learned quickly.

Yeah true. After fires we try to debrief incidents. Its a blame free zone for people who **** up too. The point is to go over decisions you made, and why you made them and reassess your responses in order to respond more effectively next time. This is how you get the most out of the experience you just had.

Yes, this has to be done and is.

IMo wrt to covid, next time quarantine people from overseas outside of urban areas. (That's if the border stays open in any way.) Next time it will probably be worse.

Yep, hence building the centre at Mickleham.

My view is pandemics are like tsunami. We didn't have a big mass casualty one for aaaggggggggees, then we got two in a decade.

If when the serious bird flu goes human to human, its going to absolutely hellish, and I will be hunkered down in my gaff with my family avoiding alln human contact until they've cleared the piles of bodies from the streets.

 

[Chadwiko]

This is just PART of the crowd;

 

[Makeshift Park]

What are people’s thoughts on the MAGA movement surviving post Trump? Will there be a return to a more traditional Republican Party or will MAGA continue to be a big part of their identity?

It'll be a bit like * after Sheedy stopped being coach and started haunting the backrooms, providing untimely endorsements of Hird, ensuring stability was an impossibility.

 

[Chadwiko]

It'll be a bit like * after Sheedy stopped being coach and started haunting the backrooms, providing untimely endorsements of Hird, ensuring stability was an impossibility.

Donald Trump Jr is definitely friends with Stephen Dank.

 

[blackshadow]

What are people’s thoughts on the MAGA movement surviving post Trump? Will there be a return to a more traditional Republican Party or will MAGA continue to be a big part of their identity?

My gut feel is that if Trump loses the more traditional Republicans will wrest back power from the MAGA crew and try to purge them.

I think there will be a lot of bloodletting and the GOP will be weakened for years but there are a lot of decent conservatives out there who find what has happened to their party under Trump/MAGA abhorrent and will want to take control back.

If Trump wins then the old GOP is dead and buried - MAGA will have won.

 

[The Warlord]

What are people’s thoughts on the MAGA movement surviving post Trump? Will there be a return to a more traditional Republican Party or will MAGA continue to be a big part of their identity?

Hard to see how it isn't, especially if he wins.

 

[The Warlord]

My gut feel is that if Trump loses the more traditional Republicans will wrest back power from the MAGA crew and try to purge them.

Yes, like Corbyn and UK Labour.

I think there will be a lot of bloodletting and the GOP will be weakened for years but there are a lot of decent conservatives out there who find what has happened to their party under Trump/MAGA abhorrent and will want to take control back.

I think for those types MAGA has outlived its usefulness now they've stacked the Supreme Court.