The war against renewable energy

[SaintsSeptember]

Exactly

it’s funny how people are complaining about how the government is stealing their solar exports by decreasing feed in tariffs and at the same time complaining about the cost of electricity and the cost of renewables. The reason the feed in tariffs are falling is because the wholesale price is falling.
What we need is the government to start to pressure retailers to pass on the falling prices.

They energy retailers gouge for sure, but for fixed rate billing they also need to cover the cost of electricity when solar is not available.
The wholesale rate is cheapest ( or negative ) at times of high solar, and that's when those with rooftop solar are producing it. Essentially no-one wants to pay you for your electricity when its worth a negative amount.

We renewed our contract for electricity a couple of years ago, and at the time all the major retailers thought the wholesale price was going to go up. ( There had been supply issues ), turned out they didn't and we should see pricing come down now. Businesses are conservative, and the market has been fairly volatile and its now subject to the weather. I don't think they are colluding and the more confident they are in the wholesale prices, the more they will drop their prices.

We'd be much better if it was all state owned.

Power Generation Company --- Costs + Profit.
Power Transmission --- Costs + Profit.
Power Re-Selling - ( minimal cost ) + Profit.
Three lots of profit.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What those graph shows is the potential disaster India could become if we don’t show leadership and set an example…
Imagine India not GAF because Australia doesn’t….. etc..

India really don't give a shit about Australia apart from the Cricket.
Where do you get this idea that everyone follows Australia's example.
Delusional.

If India are taking leadership from anyone, its not Australia.

Nuclear Power in India - World Nuclear Association

India has a largely indigenous nuclear power programme and has ambitious plans to expand nuclear capacity. The country has a vision of becoming a world leader in nuclear technology due to its expertise in fast reactors and thorium fuel cycle.

world-nuclear.org

They will be fine in the future.

 

[nut]

India really don't give a shit about Australia apart from the Cricket.
Where do you get this idea that everyone follows Australia's example.
Delusional.

If India are taking leadership from anyone, its not Australia.

Nuclear Power in India - World Nuclear Association

India has a largely indigenous nuclear power programme and has ambitious plans to expand nuclear capacity. The country has a vision of becoming a world leader in nuclear technology due to its expertise in fast reactors and thorium fuel cycle.

world-nuclear.org

They will be fine in the future.

At the end of the day Renewables will win because they are cheaper…

 

[Saint]

India really don't give a shit about Australia apart from the Cricket.
Where do you get this idea that everyone follows Australia's example.
Delusional.

If India are taking leadership from anyone, its not Australia.

Nuclear Power in India - World Nuclear Association

India has a largely indigenous nuclear power programme and has ambitious plans to expand nuclear capacity. The country has a vision of becoming a world leader in nuclear technology due to its expertise in fast reactors and thorium fuel cycle.

world-nuclear.org

They will be fine in the future.

India's Renewables have gone from 23% in 2020 to 41% in 2023. They're growing and diversifying solar and have historic hydro which they're expanding and looking into pumped hydro.

They have more Pumped Hydro in production (27GW) than Nuclear.

Anything will be better than coal. God knows where India while store their nuclear waste, it's an earthquake and cyclone-prone country. Currently, they store it on-site at the power plants like most other places without a decent long term storage plan (see most nuclear countries).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

India's Renewables have gone from 23% in 2020 to 41% in 2023. They're growing and diversifying solar and have historic hydro which they're expanding and looking into pumped hydro.

They have more Pumped Hydro in production (27GW) than Nuclear.

Anything will be better than coal. God knows where India while store their nuclear waste, it's an earthquake and cyclone-prone country. Currently, they store it on-site at the power plants like most other places without a decent long term storage plan (see most nuclear countries).

I saw an article where melting of the polar ice might mean that India can get Russian Coal shipped through the Bering strait. I wondered if those proposing it recognised the dark irony.

 

[Power Raid]

Name a faster option? That doesn’t involve prolonging the use of Coal?

I wonder what people chose in the 1970s and 80s to deliver 14 to 70g CO2/kWh delivering the low costs? Ontario, France, New Zealand, Tasmania, Norway, Sweden, much of South America etc

imagine being so fast it was achieved half a century ago?

 

[Deliverance]

Germany emitted 73% more emissions than they would have if they retained Nuclear Power.
Imagine how magnificent their results would be if they had. They would be like France by now, but with more renewable s and less Nuclear.

Instead, Germany saw a record output of renewable power, the lowest use of coal in 60 years, falling energy prices across the board and a major drop in emissions.

Q&A - Germany’s nuclear exit: One year after

www.cleanenergywire.org

 

[Power Raid]

China has less emissions per capita than us… the planet doesn’t care about it borders

I personally don't like the debate, look at them they are polluting more than us or polluting more than they used to.

What is relevant though is understanding how much we need to cut emissions to offset increases elsewhere. ie some countries like the US may pollute 8t per individual, china might be at 6t and India 2t.

To be fair India should be able to do 8t and enjoy the same standard of living. Or alternatively the US and China reduce to 5t to offset an increase by India to 5t.


but this maths results in a need for the 14-70g CO2/kWh to achieve a net positive outcome of India's increased consumption and the forecasted increase of Africa from 1.3B people to 4.7B by the end of the century.

It is this scale that I feel is the difference between you analysing your personal solar panels and battery vs analysing the scale of the global problem.

 

[Power Raid]

Instead, Germany saw a record output of renewable power, the lowest use of coal in 60 years, falling energy prices across the board and a major drop in emissions.

Q&A - Germany’s nuclear exit: One year after

www.cleanenergywire.org

what is dirty Germany's CO2/kWh after achieving this goal?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I wonder what people chose in the 1970s and 80s to deliver 14 to 70g CO2/kWh delivering the low costs? Ontario, France, New Zealand, Tasmania, Norway, Sweden, much of South America etc

imagine being so fast it was achieved half a century ago?

Norway blows up hydro dam to restore river health and fish stocks

Campaign by local angling club to free fishes’ migratory routes is part of move across Europe to create free-flowing rivers

www.theguardian.com

Why rivers should be wild, not dammed

We use rivers for many reasons, they provide us with water, food and a mode of transport. Over the last centuries, we also figured out ways to generate

wilderness-society.org

 

[nut]

I wonder what people chose in the 1970s and 80s to deliver 14 to 70g CO2/kWh delivering the low costs? Ontario, France, New Zealand, Tasmania, Norway, Sweden, much of South America etc

imagine being so fast it was achieved half a century ago?

Ok what option are you choosing?
We live on the driest continent on earth. But have plenty of sun and wind.

 

[Deliverance]

what is dirty Germany's CO2/kWh after achieving this goal?

~350 and continually decreasing, along with the rest of Europe. Less than Czechia who gets 30% from nuclear. Estonia seems the worst in Europe. Have been planning nuclear for quite some time now and got nowhere. Seems quite the challenge for countries with no nuclear expertise.

 

[Power Raid]

~350 and continually decreasing, along with the rest of Europe. Less than Czechia who gets 30% from nuclear. Estonia seems the worst in Europe. Have been planning nuclear for quite some time now and got nowhere. Seems quite the challenge for countries with no nuclear expertise.

if the world's leaders are 14 - 70 grams and achieved this in the 70s and 80s......dirty germany is how many times dirties and how many decades behind during a climate emergency?

 

[Power Raid]

Ok what option are you choosing?
We live on the driest continent on earth. But have plenty of sun and wind.

you may be surprised but the world is round and many have access to the sun and wind. This is not something we have a mortgage over. Yet who has achieved clean energy with this wind solar strategy?

perhaps we should look at the jurisdiction that have achieved clean energy for a solution that works?

 

[Power Raid]

Norway blows up hydro dam to restore river health and fish stocks

Campaign by local angling club to free fishes’ migratory routes is part of move across Europe to create free-flowing rivers

www.theguardian.com

Why rivers should be wild, not dammed

We use rivers for many reasons, they provide us with water, food and a mode of transport. Over the last centuries, we also figured out ways to generate

wilderness-society.org

I agree with this position in 99% of hydro projects

This decreases the number of solutions that do work to a very small list of technologies

 

[Deliverance]

if the world's leaders are 14 - 70 grams and achieved this in the 70s and 80s......dirty germany is how many times dirties and how many decades behind during a climate emergency?

Germans were at about 700grams back in the nuclear heyday. So theyve improved along with the rest of Europe as green energy rolls out. Sweden leads all comers and has also improved as they have increased renewables in the last decade.

 

[nut]

you may be surprised but the world is round and many have access to the sun and wind. This is not something we have a mortgage over. Yet who has achieved clean energy with this wind solar strategy?

perhaps we should look at the jurisdiction that have achieved clean energy for a solution that works?

Why can’t you answer the question and choose the quickest form of zero emission energy generation that we can implement now?

 

[nut]

I wonder what people chose in the 1970s and 80s to deliver 14 to 70g CO2/kWh delivering the low costs? Ontario, France, New Zealand, Tasmania, Norway, Sweden, much of South America etc

imagine being so fast it was achieved half a century ago?

Considering our first large scale battery was 7 years ago I think we are pretty fast.

Big Battery Storage Map of Australia

This Big Battery Storage Map of Australia includes all big battery projects of 10MW or 10MWh and above. “Operating” includes those projects currently working; “Construction” means those…

reneweconomy.com.au

 

[Power Raid]

Germans were at about 700grams back in the nuclear heyday. So theyve improved along with the rest of Europe as green energy rolls out. Sweden leads all comers and has also improved as they have increased renewables in the last decade.

so a USD$1.5 trillion dollar program and now 34 years of effort has taken a terribly dirty nation to just dirty?

is this really a satisfactory outcome in a climate emergency? was this satisfactory for the now >1M lives lost due to reliance on russian gas to support unreliable power generation technologies?

 

[Deliverance]

so a USD$1.5 trillion dollar program and now 34 years of effort has taken a terribly dirty nation to just dirty?

is this really a satisfactory outcome in a climate emergency? was this satisfactory for the now >1M lives lost due to reliance on russian gas to support unreliable power generation technologies?

Definitely too slow. Ironically the improvements sped up once nuclear was shut down. Almost no improvement from 2000-2010. Then massive improvements since then.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Definitely too slow. Ironically the improvements sped up once nuclear was shut down. Almost no improvement from 2000-2010. Then massive improvements since then.

They can only imagine how good their results would be if they'd kept the nuclear as well as implementing their renewables. Well maybe not kept the one they built on the fault line. Germans aren't always that smart.