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The who is the most protected player in the competition thread?
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It pains me to say it because I'm a massive Joel Selwood fan, but that game against us in Rd17 last year, all he had to do was be within 5m of the footy and he got a free kick.
No mate, he sticks his head in there to get the football, with alarming disregard for his own well being. I have never seen a player like him from that perspective. He also has a knack of having his head half ripped off when he is emerging from a pack with the ball. He gets a lot of frees, but he earns the vast, vast majority of them. None of his frees would be from a 'hand in the back' or another soft rule, pretty much all of his are hard earned, and the direct result of his willingness to get the ball regardless of the outcome.
Brad Johnson, Gary Ablett.
Judd, Chapman, Selwood, Riewoldt
Judd, Chapman, Selwood, Riewoldt
1. Roo and Goodes
2. Lloyd
3. Brad Johnson (would not had said him unless mentioned just before which got me thinking)
A lot of people are saying teams best player such as Ablett or Brent Harvey. This I disagree with. Those type of players get so much attention during the game with strong tags that often bend the rules themselves that imo compensation needs to be given the other way around in some circumstances.
2. Lloyd
3. Brad Johnson (would not had said him unless mentioned just before which got me thinking)
A lot of people are saying teams best player such as Ablett or Brent Harvey. This I disagree with. Those type of players get so much attention during the game with strong tags that often bend the rules themselves that imo compensation needs to be given the other way around in some circumstances.
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1. Ablett
2. Judd
3. Lloyd and Goodes
2. Judd
3. Lloyd and Goodes
I believe it, the reason is the holding the ball decisions he wins. They count as free kicks for in the stats.
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Totally agree. I have noticed that about Joel Selwood too.
No idea, do you have some stats to share or are you just making speculative implications?
...says it best.
Seems people are confusing 'protected player' and 'earning free kicks'. Just because someone has a number of frees for does not mean they are protected.
Suppose that's to be expected when people don't actually watch the games.
Suppose that's to be expected when people don't actually watch the games.
What irritates most fans with Judd & Ablett is the fact they can be tackled and turned 720 degrees & it's play on when the ball spills out/handballed, whereas within 5 mins Mr.Noname is pinged for holding the ball when he has barely looked at it. Inconsistencies that end up being consistent.
Ablett has been tackled in the last 2 years? News to me. Especially the 720 part. Most of the time players don't or can't legitimately tackle Ablett, free kick should, and does, result.
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Actually that happened last year in the prelim final agains the dogs, from memory Aker tackled Ablett spun him round 720 no holding the ball paid Ablett fired out a hand ball and a goal was scored.
90% of the time or more Judd and Ablett will slip the tackle anyway. If the tackle doesn't stop them for more than a second I don't see why it should be rewarded. Let these sort of players make the play.
Also I would expect anyone who was tackled for 5 minutes to be pinged.
What he said.
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Judd is given substantially more time to dispose of the ball than any other player in the competition.
90% of the time or more Judd and Ablett will slip the tackle anyway. If the tackle doesn't stop them for more than a second I don't see why it should be rewarded. Let these sort of players make the play.
Also I would expect anyone who was tackled for 5 minutes to be pinged.
Read closer big fella, I didn't say tackled for 5 mins. I said within 5 mins a player caught in a lesser tackle is pinged.
Sorry buddy, I am referring to Gary Jnr, if you think Jnr hasn't been tackled in the last 2 years then you haven't been watching very closely. He's an awesome player, but to think he hasn't been tackled in the last 2 years, the only person you are having on, is yourself.
Would you agree that he causes more missed tackles than any other player in the league?
I know what you meant mate, just having a joke, hence the wink.
Just looking up the HTB law, which states
So the rule is pretty clear that a player needs to dispose of the ball straight away, but working out if a player has had prior opportunity before they are tackled is often trickier. A player in the middle of the pack (against say using the example of Ablett or Judd) may try and burst clear as soon as they put their hands on the footy. Do they have prior opportunity then before they get tackled/attempted tackled? Also, if they break through one tackle and go straight into another, should they be pinged immediately?
It seems like a clear cut law but yet so many players get away with holding the ball in when they get tackled, or diving on it when it's on the ground.
Also, if a player grabs the hips of Ablett, but he turns around and slips out of it after a second, should he be pinged even though the tackle didn't really slow down his momentum? I suppose that's the other question.
Even though chances are that Ablett will get out of the tackle, how long does he need to be held for (even just by the jumper) before he should have to get rid of it? In these cases I think the umpires give a little leniency to elite ball winners and players who they know will break the tackle and keep running.
No doubt he is a slippery player, one of the things that makes him an elite player. This thread though started along the lines of who gets looked after from the boys in 'white'.
Don't get me wrong I am not for a moment doubting Ablett the superstar.
The point is certain players, thru no fault of their own, get extra time in tackles. Ablett being one. The umpires whether they get caught up by media hype, crowd pressure or being starstruck allow certain players extra time.
Enjoy it, milk it, laugh at it. It doesn't matter, it's an observation that most honest football watchers will pick up.
As for you're question, yes alot of tackles are missed as he is a very powerful player with great body strength & agility. Don't take this observation as a bagging of Ablett. It is purely an observation.
Most Richmond fans know how good either G.Ablett is.
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Anyone choosing Lloyd is clueless. How can the most protected player in the competition have more frees against (than for) over his career? Why has he been on the receiving end of a couple of the softest suspensions in AFL history? If anything, he's treated like shit by the umpires.
