'This is a joke we don't play extra time'

[Rob]

Meaningless, seeing the poll comes from the readers of a newspaper whose journalists are instructed to write as if they're addressing a nine year-old.

Fair enough, let's go outside Melbourne then.

Fox Sports - 69-31
The West - 77-23 (although there haven't been as many votes)
Adelaide Now - 75-25

Unsurprising that public opinion is stronger against the replay outside Melbourne.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Why not simply have the team who finished higher on the ladder wins.

This happens in cricket a fair bit if there is a washout or even with the Sheffield final the other team has to win the game whilst the team on top can draw the game.

Finishing higher should give you an advanatge in a draw and I would even say there should be no extra time in any final. If a draw ocurs, the team who finished higher on the ladder wins.

I have a better idea... lets put Cloke 25m out straight in front... if he kicks it Pies win...

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

You *******.

Stefan Edberg lost the 1991 Wimbledon SF to Michael Stich without losing his serve once (6-4, 6-7, 6-7, 6-7)- Stich went on to win the title. Way to destroy your own argument.

Check me if im wrong here sandy... That doesnt look like a five set match. You can play five sets at the US, never lose your serve and lose. Not possible at the other three. Please provide me an example of a five set match where a player never loses serve and loses that isnt the US Open.

Of course what i said can happen over three or four sets

Thats why the last is advantage, except at the US.

 

[Mountain West]

Maxwell has a point.

If you don't want extra time, then if scores are level (as the Aussies and Brits would phrase it) when full time hits, hold off on sounding the siren until the next score.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Fair enough, let's go outside Melbourne then.

Fox Sports - 69-31
The West - 77-23 (although there haven't been as many votes)
Adelaide Now - 75-25

Unsurprising that public opinion is stronger against the replay outside Melbourne.

I think you'd find that the differences between those sectors is bugger all compared to the inherent inaccuracy of these sorts of Polls.

 

[DeanoT]

It could perfectly happen in the Wimbledon final. Nothing is preventing that from happening. In the scheme of sporting events, the Wimbledon final is far more prestigious world wide than the AFL grand final. Why is such a rule in the AFL unprofessional, quaint and backward, yet it isn't for Wimbledon?

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting it couldn't happen, or that the AFL is more prestigious than Wimbledon, just that the AFL GF is more important to me than the Isner first round match. Even the 16-14 Federer/Roddick final was special.

But we are talking about a very long, single game, as opposed to the AFL, where the score of 68-68 gets wiped, and we re-start from 0-0 next week.

You're getting into what Suspense calls shoulds and oughts. In my opinion, Geelong play the best footy going around. By rights, they should have won the past four flags. However, effective strategies on the day have seen them defeated when it counts. Does that mean the competition is a joke?

I didn't like the Sydney style of footy, but it made for close GFs. My point about tennis was more about the technology. The courts have stayed the same, while racquets have got bigger, lighter and stronger, meaning the old days of placement and spin have been overtaken by booming serves. We are lucky to have two artists like Federer and Nadal around. Can get very boring very quick when you get a Roddick/Isner ace-fest.

Specious. It's never happened because it isn't ruled for. If it was, the extra-time GF wouldn't be remembered with the same gravitas as a replay.

I disagree. I think 10 mins of extra-time would be much better remembered than a replay which could be over at half-time next week, if one side has injured/suspended/mentally shattered players.

If Fremantle ever had it happen to them, I'd suck it up. Sport's never fair to the fan.

A replay isn't fair to fans who can't go next week, or can't pay twice.

That is interesting. Cricket has three forms of the game. The way games are decided is often odd. In ODIs you can win according to a complex mathematical formula when it rains. In Tests you can have no result - the draw. You can have the rare tie. In ODIs there are always results, never draws. Somehow, in spite of this (and the multitude of betting scandals), cricket thrives. I'm not much of a fan of cricket, so I won't judge and how it should or shouldn't be run.

I used to be a fan of cricket. It was once my favourite sport, but not anymore. As a game it is in huge trouble. But that is a discussion for another time.

It has been a good evening, with Webber keeping his F1 title lead, and him punting Hamilton off the tracking. Must bid you good evening, the pillow calls!

 

[Clay Davis]

I agree with most of the rest of your post.

I disagree. I think 10 mins of extra-time would be much better remembered than a replay which could be over at half-time next week, if one side has injured/suspended/mentally shattered players.

Yeah, maybe after this one we should go to extra time, if it's what the players want in the end. I feel quite happy to have seen a replay, and would not mind seeing them in future. I don't understand why people are handwringing about professionalism when all sports have their idiosyncracies. Frankly, I think it's a terrible state of affairs that the best team in soccer can be decided by penalty shootout. Makes the sport a bit of a joke to me. But others think it's great and it is the most popular sport in the world.

A replay isn't fair to fans who can't go next week, or can't pay twice.

If I could make it once, I might try to go again, but I'd be just as happy to see them win the next week on the TV. If they lost, well, que sera, sera.

If nothing else, it's quite likely that this week's game will be attended by the diehards, members and true footy fans. If the game is as close, the atmosphere could be insane.

 

[DeanoT]

Check me if im wrong here sandy... That doesnt look like a five set match. You can play five sets at the US, never lose your serve and lose. Not possible at the other three.

You said nothing about 5 sets.

Please provide me an example of a five set match where a player never loses serve and loses that isnt the US Open.

Of course you can't lose a five set match if you play to advantage in the fifth and never lose your serve.

Would you also like me to link to a football match where a team lost the game, despite the opposition not scoring?

An idiotic statement.

Of course what i said can happen over three or four sets

Nice backtrack on your original statement.

But that is not what you said. You said...

Because the other three slams value the tradition of the advantage set.

Only at the US Open can you lose a match and never lose serve. Very fair.....

No mention of 5 sets there.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

And if you didn't already know, the US Open plays tie-breakers in the fifth set, unlike the other three slams.

Because the other three slams value the tradition of the advantage set.

Only at the US Open can you lose a match and never lose serve. Very fair.....

You said nothing about 5 sets.

But you did.

 

[Rob]

I think you'd find that the differences between those sectors is bugger all compared to the inherent inaccuracy of these sorts of Polls.

No doubt, i'm not using it as conclusive evidence of anything. And who knows, public opinion may change as the week wears on.

 

[DeanoT]

But you did.

Are you for real?

Nice piecing together of semi-related threads to backtrack on your original statement.

Re-read your post #721. There are no two-ways to comprehend it.

 

[Eagle87]

I hardly think your room of KL Swells qualifies as a viable expansion market demographic, mister 87.

Umm, I was in Bangkok. I spelled it correctly and everything.

 

[Eagle87]

Really? You took a poll?

God you're sad. In response to a post which suggested (based on air) that the draw would have zero impact on development/perception overseas, I provided a first hand account.

As you usually do with anything that pricks your precious thought bubbles, you can choose to ignore it.

Evidence?

I have mates that were at those functions. I have spoken to them. Both the Malaysian Warriors and Saigon Swans have websites, log in, PM or email the troops, they will be happy to share.

Perhaps apply the same standards of evidence to your own moronic drivel?

Sure.

I was there, what's your smart arse comment based on?

Watching footy by its very nature s a waste of 3 hours.

I believe one is generally discouraged from describing a fellow poster as a flog. Can you confirm?

What a load of bullshit. If you were really at this Chamber of Commerce do, what were you doing hammering out long winded responses on the internet minutes after the match ended:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showth...9#post19134339

They have these things called mobile phones/smartphones. I even posted during the game.

You really have no actual argument at all do you? Just vague attempts to shoot the messenger. As always Clay, you're a lightweight.

 

[mess]

Umm, I was in Bangkok. I spelled it correctly and everything.

You were also in KL, which rhymes with "swells" better and constitutes an adequate stand-in for a room of Bangkok swells under the "same diff" principle.

 

[Eagle87]

wow such a original and intelligent come back

Am I wrong?

 

[Eagle87]

You were also in KL, which rhymes with "swells" better and constitutes an adequate stand-in for a room of Bangkok swells under the "same diff" principle.

I was not in KL.

Define "swells"?

I mean the KL function was organized by a footy club and had about as wide a cross section of the community (expats and others) as you would get anywhere.

The Bangkok function similarly was replete with everyone from toothless backpackers (obviously Pies fans) through to senior business people.

Do you always immediately discount any evidence that suggests you might be "wrong"?

 

[mess]

I was not in KL.

I have had the same feedback from similar functions in Saigon & KL.

Define "swells"?

at the Chamber of Commerce organized function

I mean the KL function was organized by a footy club and had about as wide a cross section of the community (expats and others) as you would get anywhere.

The Bangkok function similarly was replete with everyone from toothless backpackers (obviously Pies fans) through to senior business people.

Do you always immediately discount any evidence that suggests you might be "wrong"?

Do you always explain yourself poorly and blame the listener? Do you always count people humouring a position of yours over finger food and drinkipoos as viable evidence?

I cannot imagine that such an opinion as you have asserted the broader backpacker/ex-pat/senior business person community held at these particular events could have survived any competent opposition whatsoever.

 

[TheBloods]

Tennis is not a great example. They play the game until it is finished. They don't stop at 6-6 and then restart again next week/day.

As for claims of gen Y and instant gratification, the statements that 'who cares what happens to everything organised next weekend as long as I get to watch more footy' is far more gen Y!

 

[Simmonds2Hislop]

Extremely rare doesn't factor into the equation because these are new fans and don't have that kind of perspective and may never get it now after being turned away. I've already stated that the feedback I have got from overseas friends is 100% against the replay... but that is just my experience

So why exactly do we care what these people think? They have never watched our game and probably never will.

I was at the Chamber of Commerce organized function in Bangkok with 600+ attendees. The general view in the room post game was incredulity that we had such a silly system "a draw? Like cricket?..." about summed things up!

I have had the same feedback from similar functions in Saigon & KL.

So in two nights (one of which you spent on bigfooty) you got word back from three functions, in three different countries, about a sport most have never heard?

Aussies from AFL states either laughed it off or were a little embarrassed explaining it and everyone else just thought WTF?

The opinions of the "everyone else" are irrelevant because they don't care about the game, and never will.

It doesn't matter how vigorously you defend the replay as a footy lover, to everyone else it just looks silly. Which can't possibly help in promoting the code.

American football and having a best of 7 series in the NBA finals seems extremely silly to a huge number of Aussies. Do you think the US gives a shit?

 

[adelaidecrows]

I am amazed at the aggressive nature of posters on here defending the right for a draw and a replay. It is amazing the abuse that some posters have copped on here for wanting extra time.

It would be nice to be able to have a discussion about the topic without being abused for an opinion. Why dont we all take a deep breath. The draw has happened and a replay will be played on Oct 2nd. So all those that are defending the draw can go and enjoy the game, you have what you want and you dont need to abuse everyone left right and centre who doesnt agree with it.

I wouldnt get used to the idea of replays in future as with the introduction of extra teams the afl has no choice but to reveiw the current structure otherwise we could be looking at a replay grand final in the middle of october.

At the end of the day I really hope for the sake of the theatre of the draw and the novelty of a replay grand final that the game is close and lives up to its billing. I think it would be a public relations disaster for all concerned if either side wins by a flogging. I can only think of the ramifications by either sets of supporters if they end up on the losing side.

 

[Old Slugger]

Love me footy. 10 replays to get a result would suit me fine. Extra time is only for people who think they like footy, but can't wait for it to finish for the year.

 

[Clay Davis]

They have these things called mobile phones/smartphones. I even posted during the game.

So within four minutes of the game ending, you were so enraged by the result, your immediate reaction was to come to Bigfooty. Amazing. These are the thoughts of a "serious businessman". So exasperated were you by attempting to explain the result to people from overseas within that four minute period, you pulled out your phone (I have one too, but my last thoughts were with Bigfooty) and ranted angrily to people you think are beneath you. What a pathetic existence you lead.

Surely someone as worldly as your could cite evidence like the Isner vs Mahut match as a game that ran over into many days?

But I know your problem. Born into a lower class family, the bitterness that comes with being a poor boy made good manifests itself into cultural cringe. So eager are you to genuflect to your Thai paymasters, that your first reaction is to say "us durn Aussies can't run a sport". An obsequious toad whose only outlet for power is to lord over teenagers on a footy forum.

Just vague attempts to shoot the messenger.

LOL.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I am amazed at the aggressive nature of posters on here defending the right for a draw and a replay. It is amazing the abuse that some posters have copped on here for wanting extra time.

It would be nice to be able to have a discussion about the topic without being abused for an opinion. Why dont we all take a deep breath. The draw has happened and a replay will be played on Oct 2nd. So all those that are defending the draw can go and enjoy the game, you have what you want and you dont need to abuse everyone left right and centre who doesnt agree with it.

I wouldnt get used to the idea of replays in future as with the introduction of extra teams the afl has no choice but to reveiw the current structure otherwise we could be looking at a replay grand final in the middle of october.

At the end of the day I really hope for the sake of the theatre of the draw and the novelty of a replay grand final that the game is close and lives up to its billing. I think it would be a public relations disaster for all concerned if either side wins by a flogging. I can only think of the ramifications by either sets of supporters if they end up on the losing side.

The right to a replay is there in the rules.
Maybe there is a case to have them changed, but banging on about it today seems to be somewhat of a gut reaction.
Why don't you take a couple of months to cool down, then form the "Change the grand final rules" movement. You might be able to have it sorted out by the time the next one comes around.

There are ways and means to change things, but you can't change what's already happened.

 

[Kings Army]

Very happy to be able to watch another game of AFL for 2010. Everyone knows that a drawn Grand Final is replayed the next week. 50 pages debating something that is not going to change is very funny. I have been lucky to get a ticket this Sat where last week I had no chance!! All is good in the world.

 

[TheBloods]

The comments are not about changing it for next week (although it is interesting that the AFL has made two changes to the rules today - extra time next week and not double demerit points for suspensions in the grand final), but rather it needs to be addressed in the future. Also, just because a rule is already in place does not make it right.