'This is a joke we don't play extra time'

[Kings Army]

The comments are not about changing it for next week (although it is interesting that the AFL has made two changes to the rules today - extra time next week and not double demerit points for suspensions in the grand final), but rather it needs to be addressed in the future. Also, just because a rule is already in place does not make it right.

And just because some people do not like the rule does not make the rule wrong.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The comments are not about changing it for next week (although it is interesting that the AFL has made two changes to the rules today - extra time next week and not double demerit points for suspensions in the grand final), but rather it needs to be addressed in the future. Also, just because a rule is already in place does not make it right.

My point is, if it is so wrong, people should have been whining about it for a century. Why start now.

 

[TheBloods]

My point is, if it is so wrong, people should have been whining about it for a century. Why start now.

It has been raised before a number of times, and prompted the change in 1994 for other finals to have extra time. The AFL has repeatedly said no to the GF though.

 

[ScoobySnacks]

You can't have your cake and eat it to. If either side had lost in extra time llast Saturday all of the losing team's supporters would have been whining all week about an unfair rule change.

I think its a pretty democratic way of solving the problem considering it is the biggest arguably the biggest sporting fixture in Aus, which I would rather see decided with a replay than an extra ten minutes. And given it is such an infrequent occurrence there is no need to change the rule

 

[Eagle87]

So within four minutes of the game ending, you were so enraged by the result, your immediate reaction was to come to Bigfooty. Amazing. These are the thoughts of a "serious businessman". So exasperated were you by attempting to explain the result to people from overseas within that four minute period, you pulled out your phone (I have one too, but my last thoughts were with Bigfooty) and ranted angrily to people you think are beneath you. What a pathetic existence you lead.

Bwahahahaha ...

Quality. I certainly concede that you seem across ranting angrily and there is no doubt I'd swap my life for you're thrill a minute one, you know the one where you search peoples post and time how many minutes they posted after the GF....

Surely someone as worldly as your could cite evidence like the Isner vs Mahut match as a game that ran over into many days?

Relevance? I mean WTF are u on?

But I know your problem. Born into a lower class family, the bitterness that comes with being a poor boy made good manifests itself into cultural cringe. So eager are you to genuflect to your Thai paymasters, that your first reaction is to say "us durn Aussies can't run a sport". An obsequious toad whose only outlet for power is to lord over teenagers on a footy forum.

ROFLMAO ....

Yes, that's it ... Not a single accurate fact in that but highly amusing in a "Just say no to drugs" kinda way. I presume that was your aim

 

[mickctiger]

I am amazed at the aggressive nature of posters on here defending the right for a draw and a replay. It is amazing the abuse that some posters have copped on here for wanting extra time.

It would be nice to be able to have a discussion about the topic without being abused for an opinion.

You could also direct the same comment at some of the proponents of having OT rather than the replay. Indeed some of the most personally offensive commenters here have been those who are proponents of the OT concept

 

[mickctiger]

Bwahahahaha ...

Quality. I certainly concede that you seem across ranting angrily and there is no doubt I'd swap my life for you're thrill a minute one, you know the one where you search peoples post and time how many minutes they posted after the GF....

ummm all of our posts here are time stamped dopey, seriuosly you should be familiar with the adage of quitting when your ahead ? Because you are getting pwned on this buddy.

as I said resorting to cheap personal insults only shows that you have lost the debate

Try playing the ball and not the man

 

[Eagle87]

So in two nights (one of which you spent on bigfooty) you got word back from three functions, in three different countries, about a sport most have never heard?

What an odd statement.

I attended one function. The others were attended by mates. 50%+ of attendees were Aussies.

I am not sure how talking to mates within 24 hours of an event finishing is a mind blowing concept.

The opinions of the "everyone else" are irrelevant because they don't care about the game, and never will.

As above, more than 50% were Aussies. The rest were sufficiently interested to turn up. Since I was originally responding to an assertion made (based on nothing) that a draw would have no negative impact on peoples perceptions of the code in non-football markets, I thought actual observations may have merit.

American football and having a best of 7 series in the NBA finals seems extremely silly to a huge number of Aussies. Do you think the US gives a shit?

Again, you clearly have no idea what my post was responding too. Cheers.

 

[Eagle87]

ummm all of our posts here are time stamped dopey, seriuosly you should be familiar with the adage of quitting when your ahead ? Because you are getting pwned on this buddy.

as I said resorting to cheap personal insults only shows that you have lost the debate

Try playing the ball and not the man

Haven't answered my question yet Mick.

Sorry, pwned because I made a post a few minutes after a game on an iPhone? Went to the loo, checked emails, Skype, facebook. Had followed the game day thread on BF, checked back, made a post.

Not sure how that is even remotely perplexing for anyone.

Playing the man has been the go of those you say have pwned me Mick. They have sought to go me rather than address simple comments I observed and reported. The views of those people in attendance have been reflected in every online poll in Australia I.e. Overwhelming support for extra time. The AFL has decided that this weeks game will have extra time.

I simply commented that this in attendance at a function in Bangkok shared a view that the lack of a result was silly. That was the prevailing view. By extension, it reflected poorly on our code in a non-football market.

Again, it was in response to a poster who said it would have no negative effect on code perception and any expansion of the code.
It certainly hasn't had a positive effect. Non-football people are pretty much universal in their derision.

You got anything to contribute Mick?

 

[mickctiger]

Backpedal Backpedal Backpedal

 

[Eagle87]

ummm all of our posts here are time stamped dopey, seriuosly you should be familiar with the adage of quitting when your ahead ? Because you are getting pwned on this buddy.

Dopey?

as I said resorting to cheap personal insults only shows that you have lost the debate

Thanks for conceding

 

[Eagle87]

Backpedal Backpedal Backpedal

Look Mick, I know you don't like answering questions but I'll try one more.

How, exactly, is that a backpedal?

It simply isn't.

 

[mickctiger]

Dopey?



Thanks for conceding

Now I havent got time for this, but seriuosly you dont want me (or others I might add) to traul back through all of your posts on this thread and repost them now ? Becuase the vast majority of your posts have been insults rather than debate, not once have you put any reasonable counter to the point that people have made here. All you have done is show sneering petulance becuse the result of the Grand Final wasn't what you wanted. You're like the spolied child who stamps her feet and then takes her ball home becuse she's been advised that she might have to play withing the rules and/or share her ball around and that she is not boss.

You're not a member of the Liberals are you ?

 

[Eagle87]

Do you always explain yourself poorly and blame the listener?

You want it in Braille?

Two separate functions. Organized by two different groups. One I was at (as stated) and one I was commenting on (as stated).

Not complicated.

Do you always count people humouring a position of yours over finger food and drinkipoos as viable evidence?

Yes that's it

I cannot imagine that such an opinion as you have asserted the broader backpacker/ex-pat/senior business person community held at these particular events could have survived any competent opposition whatsoever.

The funny part is you criticizing others for poorly explaining themselves.

It was an observation. Observed. By the observer. What was your recollection of events you observed at that same function?

Oh, that's right ...

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

The views of those people in attendance have been reflected in every online poll in Australia I.e. Overwhelming support for extra time.

Getting close to 50/50 now

By this time next week expect the polls to favour the replay.

 

[Eagle87]

Now I havent got time for this, but seriuosly you dont want me (or others I might add) to traul back through all of your posts on this thread and repost them now ? Becuase the vast majority of your posts have been insults rather than debate, not once have you put any reasonable counter to the point that people have made here. All you have done is show sneering petulance becuse the result of the Grand Final wasn't what you wanted. You're like the spolied child who stamps her feet and then takes her ball home becuse she's been advised that she might have to play withing the rules and/or share her ball around and that she is not boss.

You're not a member of the Liberals are you ?

You really don't like answering question OR actually discussing the topic do you?

I have actually spelled out a long list of reasons as to why a replay is a silly resolution. You have actually added nothing at all except a serious of silly posts trying to lay claim to the moral high ground.

Perhaps answer the questions Mick?

In answer to yours, no. I am not.

Nice that you went for more personal attacks too

 

[mickctiger]

Getting close to 50/50 now

By this time next week expect the polls to favour the replay.

that might depend on the quality of this saturdays match. As Faine and Wateley(sp?) discussed on 3LO this morning the replay might act as a referendum on this.
But for sure atm the momentum does appear to be swinging back towards the replay, and why not ? As I have said in another post, the replay makes our game unique. If we just had OT, the Grand Final would be just another Generic Final in just another Generic sport. Keep it as it is, its part of what gives our game its soul

 

[Eagle87]

Getting close to 50/50 now

By this time next week expect the polls to favour the replay.

That doesnt link to a poll. Just to Caro and her usual "there is nothing to consider outside Melbourne" insular dribble.

As indicated in earlier discussion, support for a replay will always be strongest in Melbourne due to the preponderance of flat earth types when it comes to AFL.

We shall see ...

 

[mickctiger]

I have actually spelled out a long list of reasons as to why a replay is a silly resolution. You have actually added nothing at all except a serious of silly posts trying to lay claim to the moral high ground.

Yep some schmucks in Bancock and KL think the Idea of holding a replay, rather than go into OT, in response to a Draw (Just like in da sooca maate) appears odd. Then again Australian Football as a sport appears odd to them.

They could all jump of a cliff, for all I care, it doesn't mean I'm gunna follow them

 

[TheBloods]

Getting close to 50/50 now

By this time next week expect the polls to favour the replay.

That's a different poll. Interestingly they changed the wording. The old polls had 50K voting, with two-thirds in favour, and the new one has 11K split evenly.

 

[Suspense]

the preponderance of flat earth types when it comes to AFL.

no one has advocated flat earth theory itt and the analogy is spurious as support for a gf replay is one of personal preference regarding what should occur given a draw in a gf, not of a denial of empirical evidence regarding the shape of the earth.

if you have some empirical evidence, free of value judgments, that proves extra time is the right method of deciding a draw; please post it.

 

[FootyJunkie]

However... I dont think that extra time would have settled it... what happens if it is still a draw at the end of the extra time? penalty goals???

They keep having 10 minutes of extra time until there is a winner, like the NBA with their triple overtimes.

 

[Eagle87]

no one has advocated flat earth theory itt and the analogy is spurious as support for a gf replay is one of personal preference regarding what should occur given a draw in a gf, not of a denial of empirical evidence regarding the shape of the earth.

if you have some empirical evidence, free of value judgments, that proves extra time is the right method of deciding a draw; please post it.

Fair points. You disagree that their are more "old school" "dont change it cos its still really the VFL" types in Melbourne?

By the way, this is always good for a laugh if "proof" is at issue.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

 

[Mitch Power]

Its a stupid old rule from an amature suburban competition and really has no place in this national comp.

Well put WCFry.

Many changes have been introduced over the years including increasing the number of subs, interchanging players, the diamond, then the square, draft, clash jumpers etc etc, all with the aim of progressing the national game. The game has evolved but the fabric remains the same. Playing extra time for a result is fair to both teams and will not change the fabric of the game one bit. The play extra time in all the lead up finals - what's the difference? Is it fair to lose a preliminary final in extra time but not a GF?

If Maxwell had his time again, he probably would not have said what 90% of players, administrators and supporters were thinking.

 

[Kings Army]

That doesnt link to a poll. Just to Caro and her usual "there is nothing to consider outside Melbourne" insular dribble.

As indicated in earlier discussion, support for a replay will always be strongest in Melbourne due to the preponderance of flat earth types when it comes to AFL.

We shall see ...

LOL - strongest in Melbourne because we understand that this is a great and unique part of the game for the last 114 years. This rule was in place when WCE joined the AFL. End of the day its better than watching the WAFL each week.