'This is a joke we don't play extra time'

[Zidane98]

How is it "more broken than working well"??

As gPhonque said earlier...the point of the GF is deciding the best team of the year...I know that this isn't always the case but the replay seems more apt to the solution of that goal then extra time!

Also the financial benefit to both clubs AND players would help, esp if a team like Kangas or Bullies were involved.

It helps:
* The Game
* The Clubs
* The Players
* The Crowd
* The AFL Administration
* The TV Networks
* The Sponsors

Why change it?

And what would happen if West Coast Eagles were involved in a Grand Final draw? Then the replay would truly be a farce; one team disadvantaged by having to fly an 8 hour return trip. And before anyone says they could just stay in Melbourne, that's a disadvantage to the Eagles also, they can't train in front of their fans and soak up the general good will and media in their home town.

A Grand Final replay is of no financial benefit to anyone other then the AFL/TV Networks.

 

[DeZi]

You can't have replay after replay for one SIMPLE reason...TRADE WEEK!

 

[DeZi]

And what would happen if West Coast Eagles were involved in a Grand Final draw? Then the replay would truly be a farce; one team disadvantaged by having to fly an 8 hour return trip. And before anyone says they could just stay in Melbourne, that's a disadvantage to the Eagles also, they can't train in front of their fans and soak up the general good will and media in their home town.

A Grand Final replay is of no financial benefit to anyone other then the AFL/TV Networks.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...roud-new-chapter/story-e6frf9jf-1225933306124

The Magpies and the Saints shared $1.7 million from last week's drawn Grand Final. The players from both clubs will receive $425,000 a team, according to the number of games played this year.
Collingwood also received $1.1 million for the replay win and the Saints earned $600,000.

Eagles can use that money to stay in Melbourne...given they can't go back to the home town and show off but I think they won't be too fussed about that...I mean both the Pies and Saints were after a low key week anyway (Pies had one closed and one open training session)

 

[TheBloods]

Uniqueness does add something. It is what makes our game great. If the teams are equal then split the points and come back next week. Too many sports like NRL and soccer have been ruined with golden point and golden goal. One fluke moment or lucky break gives you the game. Might as well just play first goal wins then .

None of that has anything to do with AFL extra time.

Also crowds might be down and the game might be a dudbut have you ever stopped to ponder people already plan things the week after Grand Final because there is such a low likelihood of a draw?

Ummm... I may have mentioned that...

 

[TheBloods]

Eagles can use that money to stay in Melbourne...given they can't go back to the home town and show off but I think they won't be too fussed about that...I mean both the Pies and Saints were after a low key week anyway (Pies had one closed and one open training session)

A low key week where they can do their own thing in their own home with their families and friends. Can't do that in another city in a hotel room.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Too many sports like NRL and soccer have been ruined with golden point and golden goal.

Firstly, soccer hasn't had golden goal for some years.

Secondly, nobody is advocating 'sudden death' extra time. Or penalty shootouts. What people want (and what we get for all the other drawn finals) is normal extra time. Why anti-replay advocates keep mentioning these other things I don't know.

Eagles can use that money to stay in Melbourne...given they can't go back to the home town and show off but I think they won't be too fussed about that

A week away from home, family, friends and normal preparation... gee that sounds swell and not at all unfair

Hopefully the AFL meet over summer and change the rules and we won't have to have a grand final replay again because in the modern day it is absurd at best and unfair at worst.

 

[Perry Pie]

For me, I like the reply. Nothing to do with tradition or anything like that. I just think both teams deserve the chance to regroup and have another go. It does make money and it is rare - good things I think.

Most of the objections to this weeks replay come from bitter and twisted fans from non competing clubs and the objections to this weeks replay really do not stack up - they are about personal preference and dont add much one way or the other.

HOWEVER, this week was two Vic clubs. Both in home state, both on a level base. Even though I support a replay instead of extra time I can see that for a non vic club competing against a victorian club the situation would be very different to this week. I do not think a replay would be fair if a Vic club was in a drawn GF with a non Vic club. The non Vic club has already been disadvantaged in the original GF by having to travel to Melbourne - two weeks in a row is too much. The game is a national one, and we could expect that drawn GFs will as often as not involve at least one non Vic side and I dont think automatically replaying the GF in Melbourne is fair.

There are 3 options as I see it
1. Extra Time
2. Replay in the state of the highest placed team in the GF
3. Replay interstate if the GF involves an interstate team (highest ranked team if both teams from outside Vic).

 

[The_Wookie]

How is the replay not a win all round? Seriously.

St Kilda turn in the largest profit they've ever made on the back of it, the AFL friggin GAVE tickets away to charities, and allowed more members in, which is a win for both clubs.

The AFL takes the literal interpretation of the replay, same ground, same time of day. Its possible that accomodation could be made to play a replay at Stadium Australia, but none of the others are big enough to cover the AFLs corporate and membership commitments, let alone supporters of either club. Not only that but Im fairly sure the AFLs contract for Grand Finals at the MCG includes replays, this being evidenced by the fact that the MCG is always booked by the AFL for the week after the Grand Final just in case.

Interstate clubs joined our league with our rules, if they dont want a replay, they just have to win the damn thing the first time around. The game might be national, but the home of football - be it crowds, or tv - is Melbourne. Deal with it.

 

[Barkly St End]

There are a zillion pluses relating to the replay.

At the end of the day, the best team of the year is determined by playing the game by the standard rules of that game - I can't think of a better reason for keeping the replay.

 

[TheBloods]

There are a zillion pluses relating to the replay.

At the end of the day, the best team of the year is determined by playing the game by the standard rules of that game - I can't think of a better reason for keeping the replay.

This is non sequitur.

 

[longsuffreosupp]

There are a zillion pluses relating to the replay.
At the end of the day, the best team of the year is determined by playing the game by the standard rules of that game - I can't think of a better reason for keeping the replay.

most it relating to money.

biggest letdown game ever, bigger than 119. we can only imagine what the first game would be like with the extra game, possibly the best game ever.

 

[Zidane98]

I absolutely disagree that it should be changed.

It's such a unique aspect to our game.

It rarely happens.

On the rare chance it does, it gives true supporters a chance to actually go to the game the week after.

Adding 10 mins or whatever to the end of the game is simply cheap, and caters only towards people with short attention spans who need to see a result for whatever reason.

I think it's fantastic.


Please don't change this AFL.

It certainly isn't unique that the Grand Final is a replay. That was the case for many other sports for years back in the amateur era (FA Cup final used to have a replay scheduled but common sense prevailed and extra time/penalties was added - witness the spectacular 2006 final where Liverpool won on penalties after coming back from the death).

Adding 10 minutes on or 120 minutes - there isn't any difference other then more $$$ in the pockets of the AFL/clubs at the expense of fans who paid to see a result in the first Grand Final.

 

[jimmyclean]

Adding 10 minutes on or 120 minutes - there isn't any difference other then more $$$ in the pockets of the AFL/clubs at the expense of fans who paid to see a result in the first Grand Final.

I figured 'fans who paid to see a result' would be smart enough to realise that the rules have always been if the first GF is drawn we play another. It is not as if this rule was made up this year.

Get over it imo, if you don't like it, don't watch the replay GF, or just stop watching AFL.

I hear NRL and A-league could use some warm bodies at the grounds.

 

[Sharker18]

my god people are sooks....we got 2 grand final days this year, enjoy it!

and people complaining that it's just a way for the AFL to raise extra cash, so what? how do you think they can invest so much into grass roots footy? and all they do for the community? where do people think this money comes from??

 

[TheBloods]

I figured 'fans who paid to see a result' would be smart enough to realise that the rules have always been if the first GF is drawn we play another. It is not as if this rule was made up this year.

Get over it imo, if you don't like it, don't watch the replay GF, or just stop watching AFL.

'Rules are already in place', 'aware of the rules', 'get over it', 'don't watch it', etc. are stupidly pathetic 'arguments' IMO.

my god people are sooks....we got 2 grand final days this year, enjoy it!

and people complaining that it's just a way for the AFL to raise extra cash, so what? how do you think they can invest so much into grass roots footy? and all they do for the community? where do people think this money comes from??

The second GF was a total dud from every respect.

Money is hardly an important argument - it's not like the AFL is short of cash or this is a regular method of raising cash. A windfall gain is not a good argument for retaining the replay.

 

[jimmyclean]

Stupidly pathetic 'arguments'.

Having and knowing of the rules is a pathetic argument?

How about we just start declaring the winner whenever we feel like it?

Seriously I bet your the sort of person who cries when the AFL changes a rule, then begs for rules to be changed.

People who bought a ticket to the GF paid to watch a football game, not get a result, if you did your a moron and got everything you deserve.

 

[SJ]

'Rules are already in place', 'aware of the rules', 'get over it', 'don't watch it', etc. are stupidly pathetic 'arguments' IMO.


The second GF was a total dud from every respect.

As is the above.

The most deserving team on the day and for the year won the flag, in front of more of their supporters than ever before. Great result. How that fits in with a "total dud from every respect" I do not know.

 

[gPhonque]

The second GF was a total dud from every respect.

No it wasn't. It provided us with the undisputed premiership team..... which is the most important thing in case you'd forgotten!

Just because you "didn't like" the game is not a reason to have the rule changed.

As I said earlier, the game could have been another nailbiter. Then your ONLY semi-decent argument would be that it's potentially unfair to interstate clubs, which is a flimsy argument at best.

However,

a) If interstate clubs aren't used to traveling by now, then gold help them.

and

b) The MANY positives to having a Grand Final replay for outweigh the ONE semi-decent argument you have.


If interstate clubs are so against the fact that the Grand Final is played at the MCG, then please defect from the AFL and start your own "super league."

Good luck doing that without Victorian support.

Otherwise, deal with the rules that are in place, and WERE in place when you decided to relocate or join the competition.

As for the money side of things which people keep seem to be bringing up as being some kind of negative.... You people do realise that more money for the AFL is a GOOD thing for our game, don't you?

 

[Dont be a lemon]

So the arguments in this thread for replays seem to be:

A) 'Tradition'

B) **** the non-Victorian teams

C) "Deal with it"

Weak, even for BigFooty

 

[SJ]

So the arguments in this thread for replays seem to be:

A) 'Tradition'

B) **** the non-Victorian teams

C) "Deal with it"

Weak, even for BigFooty

What about the 65 pages of "it's the fairest outcome"?

 

[Barkly St End]

What about a preference for determining the Premier via playing the game by the standard rules of the game.

 

[Fire Storm]

Having a replay was embarrasing. The 2nd game was poor and a joke. Made the 1st game which was an awsome game absolutley worthless and pointless.


It's the grand final. It should be decided on the day. Simple.

 

[BEEG]

The only people who should be complaining are

Players

Supporters who bought tickets to the first and second GF setting them back about 1500

Everybody else should be thanking Collingwood and StKilda

 

[gPhonque]

Having a replay was embarrasing. The 2nd game was poor and a joke. Made the 1st game which was an awsome game absolutley worthless and pointless.


It's the grand final. It should be decided on the day. Simple.

Having a replay was fantastic. The 2nd game clearly decided the best team of the season. It made the 1st game all the more memorable, as a draw was a fitting result on that day.

It's the grand final. It should be decided the best possible way, using the standard rules of the game. Simple.

 

[TheBloods]

Having and knowing of the rules is a pathetic argument?

When did knowing a rule mean that rule is appropriate?

How does knowing that rule help with any disadvantage that interstate teams or anyone outside football experience?

How about we just start declaring the winner whenever we feel like it?

Totally non sequitur.

Seriously I bet your the sort of person who cries when the AFL changes a rule, then begs for rules to be changed.

Seriously you have no idea.

People who bought a ticket to the GF paid to watch a football game, not get a result, if you did your a moron and got everything you deserve.

Umm... professional sports normally require a result, especially for the final match.