This is double jeopardy - pure & simple - Peter Gordon certainly thinks so..

[peppy la pew]

And I'll ask you a question I asked F PHIL. If the players got banned for two years by the Tribunal would you support going to CAS?

2 words

Rat

Drainpipe

 

[Satan]

Thanks for the reminder. I need to work on my sobriety before the Dees kick off

With hogan out we have no chance

 

[Proper Gander]

With hogan out we have no chance

What? How? When?

WHAT!!!!!!

 

[JackOutback]

Lawyer doesn't understand law. Or more likely, lawyer understands law, but is annoyed because his client is guilty and law doesn't work in client's favour.

 

[peppy la pew]

Thanks for the reminder. I need to work on my sobriety before the Dees kick off

I'd stock up if I were you,it could get ugly,

Hoping your boys make a fist of it though

 

[peppy la pew]

With hogan out we have no chance

the flip

 

[Proper Gander]

Larger FRENZY!!!

1 2 3 and I'm OFF!!!!

 

[PatrickBateman]

Oh good, instead of listening when absolutely everyone told her she was speaking nonsense in true Wilson style she's decided to double down.

Pure dribble

I think the word you were looking for was 'drivel'...

'Denial' is another one you should be familiar with.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

So if the players were convicted by the AFL Tribunal and took the appeal to the CAS, would that case be heard de novo? If so, would Gordon be complaining then?

 

[threesixpio]

So if the players were convicted by the AFL Tribunal and took the appeal to the CAS, would that case be heard de novo? If so, would Gordon be complaining then?

My point exactly AT. People have to distinguish between process and the decision itself. If the process is flawed what is the alternative, bearing in mind the process accommodates a variety of possible decisions?

 

[DonsRule]

As others here have said thats the process so be it. No point complaining.

But I do think people have to say the same thing about the setup of the AFL anti doping tribunal. ASADA agreed to that process/setup. Same thing here the AFL/Anti doping code allows the WADA appeal. So be it.

 

[threesixpio]

As others here have said thats the process so be it. No point complaining.

But I do think people have to say the same thing about the setup of the AFL anti doping tribunal. ASADA agreed to that process/setup. Same thing here the AFL/Anti doping code allows the WADA appeal. So be it.

But I don't mind people saying the process should be improved so long as it's not an outcome driven whinge. It's also a little annoying that these issues are only raised by posters once the process is not assisting the outcome they want. Posters on both sides (me included) fall into this trap

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Christ there's some embarrassing comments coming out recently, the AFL's PR machine is in full swing making WADA out to be the big bad just incase things go against the players.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

But I don't mind people saying the process should be improved so long as it's not an outcome driven whinge. It's also a little annoying that these issues are only raised by posters once the process is not assisting the outcome they want. Posters on both sides (me included) fall into this trap

honestly believe the case should have gone directly to CAS, and the afl's tribunal be done away with. make it truly independent so no one can question the impartiality of the AFL dealing with itself.

 

[STFU Donnie]

So anyone accused of murder should be denied basic human rights because what about the people who don't want to be murdered?

Oh dear. People are held on remand for precisely this reason.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

Did someone get murdered, I thought we were discussing PED's in sport

Logic and common sense get murdered regularly here. But like Groundhog Day rock up again for another dose daily.

 

[threesixpio]

honestly believe the case should have gone directly to CAS, and the afl's tribunal be done away with. make it truly independent so no one can question the impartiality of the AFL dealing with itself.

See - I agree with this. This would be an improvement. Problem is WADA would be pretty busy if this was a matter of course

I'd add that sporting bodies and teams have a media ban whilst an investigation is on foot (along with a ban on ASADA).

 

[STFU Donnie]

I think the word you were looking for was 'drivel'...

'Denial' is another one you should be familiar with.

She's dribbling the drivel.

Her MO BTW.

 

[threesixpio]

Oh dear. People are held on remand for precisely this reason.

Painful isn't it? I believe exceptional circumstances woukd be relevant here (to get bail). Silly analogies are all the rage on the HTB Atm

 

[STFU Donnie]

Larger FRENZY!!!

1 2 3 and I'm OFF!!!!

See, I don't know if you meant larger or lager?

BTW, I love your profile pic. He really is having a proper gander, huh?

 

[Goldy McH]

I wasn't being silly. I was agreeing with AndrewB. It matters little to me whether you or LU think it's a waste of time noting that something is unfair or a farce, in just one or two posts mind you.

The only 'silliness' I can see is your comment about how this is affecting the players. How the hell would you know from watching the tele.

So in what ways specifically do you feel the process is unfair?

 

[hirdylloydy1]

What about the violations of basic human rights for the drug-free players who try to compete against a team who uses performance-enhancing drugs?

yes I agree, its unfair to play against Collingwood.

 

[Admiral Byng]

honestly believe the case should have gone directly to CAS, and the afl's tribunal be done away with. make it truly independent so no one can question the impartiality of the AFL dealing with itself.

In some other countries, they have a government funded independent sports anti-doping court to hear the cases in the firstr instance, rather than relying on each code to use their private tribunals.

Could be worth looking at for Australia.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Western Bulldogs Chairman Peter Gordon is appalled WADA is appealing the case of the Essendon 34

Western Bulldogs president Peter Gordon says he is “appalled” by the World Anti-Doping Agency move to appeal the case of the “Essendon 34”.

Lawyer Gordon acted for 2 of the players now at the Bulldogs in ASADA’s failed AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal prosecution.

Gordon was critical of ASADA’s decision to spurn its opportunity to appeal the tribunal finding, a move that opened the door for WADA to attempt what he described as a “re-prosecution” of the players.

“Any lawyer who values basic common law principles and notions of justice will be as appalled as I am that the ASADA/WADA show continues in this way,” Gordon said.

“(There is an) abolition of the right to silence, reversal of the onus of proof, hearings in secret, abolition of the rule against double jeopardy".

“It’s really disappointing and I think it is a misnomer to call this an appeal — it is not an appeal, they (ASADA) had a right to appeal and they chose not to exercise it.

“So instead, this is a re-prosecution — we don’t make people charged with serious criminal offences go through that let alone these guys.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-the-essendon-34/story-fni5fazt-1227356830938

It all goes back to the documentation being lost/destroyed.
If the documentation hadn't been lost/destroyed showing the substances the players were given were legal the case wouldn't have dragged on for over 2 years.
I remain amazed that a professional football club lost/destroyed documentation that showed the substances that were injected into their players were legal
How you manage to lose/destroy such important information when you are innocent is beyond me.

 

[Jobe Watson]

I think it is pretty harsh that the CAS ruling is basically final.

If the CAS ruling goes against the players then it's basically 1-1... 3 man independent tribunal said players aren't guilty, 3 man CAS panel says they are are. Only unlike WADA, if our players lose they don't get to do it all over again.