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That opinion is pure assumption based on nothing bar perhaps nonsense rumour and anecdote missing context.
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Thoughts on JA Leaving Saga
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I don't follow. It isn't a rumour at all, and I never suggested it was.
To finally attempt to set it straight, which I thought I had the first time, it is my very own opinion that I would not be surprised if he felt that way, and that is because I consider him to be an individual and not a team person, and that he had difficulty accepting that he wasn't a part of the premiership team. That's all. It cannot be proven either way of course, but if people want to agree, which I know some that do, then that's fine. If people want to disagree, which I'm sure there are some that feel that was as well, then that is also fine of course.
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I don't follow. It isn't a rumour at all, and I never suggested it was.
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt KS. You were either basing your opinion on rumour and out of context anecdote or you were basing it on nothing. I'm guessing now you are basing it on nothing. Fair enough.
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Ummm...no, I never base an opinion on nothing of course. My opinions are always based on something. I believe that he wanted special treatment and to be included in the senior team even though he didn't deserve it.
I think that the way he left the club was rather selfish, and that it could have been done better. I think he is an individual and not a team person. I definitely feel that he had difficulty accepting that he was not part of the premiership team, and that he felt more envy than joy toward his teammates.
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Not that KS needs any support from anyone but I agree 100% with her on this matter.
The less said about him now the better. The nicest thing i can say is that I hope he is happy.
The less said about him now the better. The nicest thing i can say is that I hope he is happy.
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I'm reading more opinion but no evidence that supports it. I think you are drawing a very long bow KS. But i'll leave it at that.
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Of course it's good when another recognises what I observed in his general behaviour last season, and I agree that there is not much more to say about him.
That said, my opinion of Cameron Wood rose a lot following the Grand Final replay. He appeared happier with the premiership win after the siren than some of the players did (I'm sure some were exhausted following the physical and mental toll of two Grand Finals), and that was terrific! Wood's a real team person, and I hope he gets some matches this season and that he can improve his consistency because he has played some great matches (not enough though) since he has been at Collingwood. Good onya Woody!
I only just said that I wouldn't be surprised if he had felt that way. Of course it's just an opinion, but I don't believe it is that far-fetched or unrealistic though.
that's a shit thing to say, that's a fact
Well there is part of me that totally understands he simply wishes to play more senior AFL football, and that had he stayed at Collingwood for another year, his AFL career could very well have been over, even through no fault of his own. And I can’t begrudge him for wanting a change.
However I then thought about his trade situation
I thought of the lead up to trade week, and I seriously doubt that Collingwood would go into trade week unsure if Presti was going to play on for another year. I strongly believe that they would have urged him for an answer before then, and when he informed that he wanted to retire, that they asked him hold off on his annoucement, so that they would not appear more desperate and in need of Tarrant and thus weaken their trading position.
Collingwood was also recently trying Anthony as a backman and unbeknown to Anthony, Presti could have still played on, in which case Nathan Brown was the next best replacement, and only then he was next. So his best hope of breaking into the 22 was still as a backup forward in case Cloke or Dawes went down.
Though in the lead up to trade week, it was very well known publicly that Tarrant was heading back to Victoria and his preferred choice was Collingwood. And as Anthony was enquiring with other clubs about his own possible trade, and Freo were interested in him, they would have undoubtedly helped push him out the door at Collingwood by telling him Tarrant was very likely going to Collingwood.
So Anthony now knows that he will not break into the side unless at least two key position players suffer long term injuries as Tarrant would be the next logical person into the premiership team ahead of him (and thats assuming Presti retires). In which case, he would have thought about this long and hard beforehand, and should have and 'apparently' did inform Collingwood of his wish to be traded should we secure Tarrant.
So then, if Collingwood wants a player from Freo, and Freo wanted a player from us. Why didnt a suitable trade of players and draft picks take place? It is said that Anthony was on Collingwoods trade table, but Freo simply refused and only wanted draft picks in return for Tarrant. Which I can only come to the conclusion that Freo already knew they were going to get their man, by asking him not to sign a new contract with Collingwood before the trade period (of which the vast majority are signed by then), under the pretext of telling Collingwood he wont sign yet because he's simply enquiring about the possibility of a trade, though if nothing happens, to then come to terms later. But instead to then really walk out on Collingwood after the trade period and put himself into the pre-season draft where they could pick him up for nothing, whilst getting draft picks in return for Tarrant.
The only other possible alternative is that Anthony truly did tell Collingwood he wanted out no matter what, and that Collingwoods management stuffed up by overestimating his worth or not taking his request seriously and thinking that by not coming to an agreement with Freo that he would be happy to resign with them as a depth player. The only other very remote possibility is that Collingwood deliberately refused to trade him, hoping that he would walk out on Collingwood and enter the pre-season draft where the Gold Coast could pick him, and Collingwood would receive a late draft pick as compensation. However this is extremely risky, especially knowing he would likely make it known that Freo is his preferred destination, and that Gold Coast would subsequently pass on taking him (just as they did historically).
However we would have likely heard from leaks within Freo by now if Collingwood was being outrageous or stubborn in its trade efforts, and it sounds way too similar to the method Freo employed to get McPhee from Essendon without having to give up draft picks. So to me it seems Anthony obliged by Freo's apparent shrewd trading methods and has shafted Collingwood.
I would sincerely liked to be proved otherwise if anyone knows any details about what happened during the trade week, as I thought Anthony seemed like a nice enough bloke, though if I was a Freo recruiter thats exactly the methods I would have employed to the betterment of the Freo footy club.
However I then thought about his trade situation
I thought of the lead up to trade week, and I seriously doubt that Collingwood would go into trade week unsure if Presti was going to play on for another year. I strongly believe that they would have urged him for an answer before then, and when he informed that he wanted to retire, that they asked him hold off on his annoucement, so that they would not appear more desperate and in need of Tarrant and thus weaken their trading position.
Collingwood was also recently trying Anthony as a backman and unbeknown to Anthony, Presti could have still played on, in which case Nathan Brown was the next best replacement, and only then he was next. So his best hope of breaking into the 22 was still as a backup forward in case Cloke or Dawes went down.
Though in the lead up to trade week, it was very well known publicly that Tarrant was heading back to Victoria and his preferred choice was Collingwood. And as Anthony was enquiring with other clubs about his own possible trade, and Freo were interested in him, they would have undoubtedly helped push him out the door at Collingwood by telling him Tarrant was very likely going to Collingwood.
So Anthony now knows that he will not break into the side unless at least two key position players suffer long term injuries as Tarrant would be the next logical person into the premiership team ahead of him (and thats assuming Presti retires). In which case, he would have thought about this long and hard beforehand, and should have and 'apparently' did inform Collingwood of his wish to be traded should we secure Tarrant.
So then, if Collingwood wants a player from Freo, and Freo wanted a player from us. Why didnt a suitable trade of players and draft picks take place? It is said that Anthony was on Collingwoods trade table, but Freo simply refused and only wanted draft picks in return for Tarrant. Which I can only come to the conclusion that Freo already knew they were going to get their man, by asking him not to sign a new contract with Collingwood before the trade period (of which the vast majority are signed by then), under the pretext of telling Collingwood he wont sign yet because he's simply enquiring about the possibility of a trade, though if nothing happens, to then come to terms later. But instead to then really walk out on Collingwood after the trade period and put himself into the pre-season draft where they could pick him up for nothing, whilst getting draft picks in return for Tarrant.
The only other possible alternative is that Anthony truly did tell Collingwood he wanted out no matter what, and that Collingwoods management stuffed up by overestimating his worth or not taking his request seriously and thinking that by not coming to an agreement with Freo that he would be happy to resign with them as a depth player. The only other very remote possibility is that Collingwood deliberately refused to trade him, hoping that he would walk out on Collingwood and enter the pre-season draft where the Gold Coast could pick him, and Collingwood would receive a late draft pick as compensation. However this is extremely risky, especially knowing he would likely make it known that Freo is his preferred destination, and that Gold Coast would subsequently pass on taking him (just as they did historically).
However we would have likely heard from leaks within Freo by now if Collingwood was being outrageous or stubborn in its trade efforts, and it sounds way too similar to the method Freo employed to get McPhee from Essendon without having to give up draft picks. So to me it seems Anthony obliged by Freo's apparent shrewd trading methods and has shafted Collingwood.
I would sincerely liked to be proved otherwise if anyone knows any details about what happened during the trade week, as I thought Anthony seemed like a nice enough bloke, though if I was a Freo recruiter thats exactly the methods I would have employed to the betterment of the Freo footy club.
Glad someone liked it ... was beginning to think I wasn't funny ...
I knew that couldn't be right ...
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I guess I'm as rabid as the next Collingwood supporter, but whenever I see a player like JA change clubs I can only think that the clubs (all of them) are utterly ruthless in their treatment of players, and a player would be an idiot to do anything but look after himself. Mindless loyalty is for we fans. Players futures are at stake and they have to look after themselves. The tiny lists mean that for player and club, there is no other way.
The above is where it really stands. We are not talking about an established top line player jumping ship for the big bucks. We are talking about a young guy with confidence in his ability who has proven he is up to the level but doesn't see an oppertunity for himself.
To put it in real terms imagine you get a promotion, first year in your awesome best at the company in your new job, you go on sick leave and come back and there has been a restructure of the company, new systems put in place and all of a sudden you don't have your job anymore, every time you get a chance in the role you haven't adjusted to the systems and then the company employs even more people in the role you want to get back into. Who would stay?
JA hasn't proven himself and AFL is cut throat, another year in the VFL and he may not have had a new home to go to. You can't begrudge a young guy trying to make a career for himself. The fact is as Quicky mentioned us getting Tarrant was probably the tipping point for JA by which point there wasn't enough time to get a deal done.
To put it in real terms imagine you get a promotion, first year in your awesome best at the company in your new job, you go on sick leave and come back and there has been a restructure of the company, new systems put in place and all of a sudden you don't have your job anymore, every time you get a chance in the role you haven't adjusted to the systems and then the company employs even more people in the role you want to get back into. Who would stay?
JA hasn't proven himself and AFL is cut throat, another year in the VFL and he may not have had a new home to go to. You can't begrudge a young guy trying to make a career for himself. The fact is as Quicky mentioned us getting Tarrant was probably the tipping point for JA by which point there wasn't enough time to get a deal done.
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This plus 1. I for one wish JA well. Except when he plays the pies...
In the lead up to trade week, it was very well known publicly that Tarrant was heading back to Victoria and his preferred choice was Collingwood. And as Anthony was enquiring with other clubs about his own possible trade, and Freo were interested in him, they would have undoubtedly helped push him out the door at Collingwood by telling him Tarrant was very likely going to Collingwood.
So Anthony now knows that he will not break into the side unless at least two key position players suffer long term injuries as Tarrant would be the next logical person into the premiership team ahead of him (and thats assuming Presti retires). In which case, he would have thought about this long and hard beforehand, and should have and 'apparently' did inform Collingwood of his wish to be traded should we secure Tarrant.
So then the problem is that Freo asked Anthony to simply opt for the pre-season draft rather than strike an appropriate trade deal with us, which he obviously obliged to
Jack could have got to his destination by being traded. From where I sit said he would still sign with the Pies during trade week... and pulled a shifty for his new club. Straight after trade week finished he said he wouldn't renew his contract, leaving Collingwood no option to be compensated by the loss of a player they had invested so much in over the past few years... lets not forget he was on the list for well over 12 months before he even could play a game in the seconds for us.
He left Collingwood and gave them a massive slap in the face.
He left Collingwood and gave them a massive slap in the face.
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Look at it this way:
Out: Jack Anthony
In: Chris Tarrant.
Anthony was on the fringe of selection, Tarrant will be a certain starter.
It's a huge win for us but ultimately Freo will offset this loss if Anthony can prove himself further at AFL level.
Out: Jack Anthony
In: Chris Tarrant.
Anthony was on the fringe of selection, Tarrant will be a certain starter.
It's a huge win for us but ultimately Freo will offset this loss if Anthony can prove himself further at AFL level.
I got no beef with Jack. I think he made a wise enough decision to leave. However, by leaving he is the enemy. I never overly loved him as a player. I supported him because he was wearing the black and white...but he was far from my favourite player. So I'll have no issue seeing him in another teams colours and as an enemy.
I would've liked to have kept him purely because he is young and capable of filling a void in many positions. Tarrant is a better player but only has 2 years left at most.
However, the honest truth is that he is no real loss. We have his position covered at both ends. He doesn't fit our needs. He is only an average forward, and a mediocre defender. He has a great kick on goal and he has some heart...but not a great worth ethic.
His departure won't hurt us in the slightest. Truth is I've forgotten about him already. I'll purely keep his goal against Adelaide in my mind forever...that was awesome.
I would've liked to have kept him purely because he is young and capable of filling a void in many positions. Tarrant is a better player but only has 2 years left at most.
However, the honest truth is that he is no real loss. We have his position covered at both ends. He doesn't fit our needs. He is only an average forward, and a mediocre defender. He has a great kick on goal and he has some heart...but not a great worth ethic.
His departure won't hurt us in the slightest. Truth is I've forgotten about him already. I'll purely keep his goal against Adelaide in my mind forever...that was awesome.
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