Thoughts on the Geelong Game

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Jun 13, 2005
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Gee Geelong are a good side, an absolutely brilliant, amazing, flawless side more like it. We were shown up by their class tonight but make no mistake; we’re an average side at best and will be lucky to make the 8. Where has the attacking flair gone, why are our forwards always contesting against 3 defenders? Why do we have so many players who aren’t damaging with their disposals? I'd hate to be a forward for this club because no one can deliver the ball well when going inside fifty and it doesn't help when he move the ball so slowly because it allows the opposition to flood back and block the space for Burton, Porplzyia and Tippett to lead into.

Start planning for the future, Mackay needs to come back next week for Reilly and if Burton's suspended lets give Hentschel a shot. I'd love to see Petrenko get upgraded a take McLeod's spot in defence because as much as he tries, Symes isn't good enough to take that role. My thoughts on the players tonight:

Bassett: Played well when shifted into attack. Provided a strong leading option when up forward and he did better than Rutten and Stevens who were also spent some time up forward.

Bock: 29 disposals and 10 marks says he played a pretty good game and he did. Provided a lot of rebound and while probably beaten in defence at least he provided some run and attack.

Burton: Was pretty good, hopefully won’t be suspended. Shouldn’t be as he had no other option, but this is Andy D footy.

Doughty: Tried real hard and was one of our best.

Douglas: Aren’t we trying to re-sign the guy? Heavens knows why.

Edwards: 26 possessions, 8 marks and a goal; our best player IMO. Was great in heavy traffic and was one of the few players who didn’t fumble.

Gill: The only positive is that at least we’ve found another one to delist.

Goodwin: 34 posessions yet absolutely worthless. One of the worst on the ground.

Johncock: A few bad errors and kicking out was a bit poor but he tried really hard and kept taking them on and backing himself. Kicked a beauty of a goal in the last term.

Knights: See Goodwin, yet even worse. Disposal isn’t even SANFL standard. Play any worse and that’s where he should be playing.

Maric: Wasn’t his best game but he competed hard all night and kicked a goal in the last term which was good reward for effort.

Massie: Fantastic first term but some poor errors from then on. However I thought his effort was sensational and he even went forward to kick a goal.

Porplyzia: Was up against 3 opponents all night so was always going to struggle. Looked good when he had space to lead but it didn’t happen enough for him to have an impact.

Reilly: It’s becoming a bit of a joke now. Shocking first term, some good signs in the midfield in the second then injured.

Rutten: Below his best.

Shirley: Great game, did very well against Ablett and took the honours. Well done.

Stevens: Okay, in fact probably a bit better than that. Started forward but due to a lack of influence went down back and from then onwards played well.

Symes: He gives 100% in every contested and he started well, but my goodness he burns the ball an awful lot and his decision making is horrendous. Disposal was awful tonight by both hand and foot. Simply put, disposal isn’t good enough for him to play in defence. Should be played up on the wing where he can get the ball and bang it forward.

Thompson: Fumbled a lot tonight, more than I can ever remember, but he worked hard to get into the game after being beaten early by Ling. Didn’t have his usual input but wasn’t the worst out there.

Tippett: Took a few nice marks, rucked well but didn’t pose a threat up forward, probably mainly due to the delivery.

van Berlo: Please make him captain. Was about the only one who didn’t fumble and he shot out a number of quick, accurate handballs in the packs and his skills by foot were great. Surprised to see he only finished with 17 possessions because it felt like he had a lot more of the ball.

Vince: How did he get more of the ball than VB? Had a very quiet night. Started okay but was void of any impact.
 
Your review of the players is generally good but:

Your review of Goodwin is way off the mark IMO, this was his best game for weeks. There were a lot of players far more prone to burning the ball tonight than him and he won a lot of contested balls too. He was named our BOG by 5AA. Not that this is the be all and end all but during the last half I had the feeling he had played a vary good game and seems to have a lot more run than in recent weeks.

Tippett only took one contested mark and I think 2 uncontested. Hardly a few good grabs.

On another subject, did you go to the Socceroos game in Brisbane recently?
 
Goodwins disposals all worthless?? His pin point pass to Edwards was a gem in traffic.Pity Edwards who was "IMO" best on ground couldnt finish it off.I can see the best players now: All played well (those that didnt slip over in a contested possession,yet Geelong players found it easy to balance)
 

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Really showed how far off we are, and how bloody good Geelong are. We were unlucky we didn't lose by more.

It really puts our season into perspective. My thoughts go back to where they were at the start of the year, we really are not good enough to play good finals footy, so lets build for the future. IMO that means introducing more blokes.

Having said that we need to determine who the young guys we will use are going to be aswell. Symes IMO is not up to it. His disposal of the ball is awful, got it a bit but turned it over more than he used it. Knights is the same but I think we have a bit more to work with. HIs standard has slipped back to where it was a couple of years ago. I think that's confidence, and he really just needs to get that back.

We need to introduce the right blokes into the forward line. We've seen Tippett, but he needs a rest. It's not fair on him and can;t be good for his development continually banging it in on his head and giving him no chance. Gill is done. McGregor is done. Both need to be moved on. Lets see what other can offer. Try Hentschel, Walker, Sellar, they really can't be any worse than the other boys.

Not sure what's wrong with Goodwin, got a lot of it but was very ineffective. Edwards showed his class, was very good. But it's time to permanently move them out of the guts. Will be hard but they aren;t going to be there for our next real crack so lets get the blokes in the middle who are. I still think Vince, VB, Radar, Douglas, Thommo, Knights and the like can be a really good midfield. When Griffin and Maric come on it will be pretty formidable.
 
Your review of the players is generally good but:

Your review of Goodwin is way off the mark IMO, this was his best game for weeks. There were a lot of players far more prone to burning the ball tonight than him and he won a lot of contested balls too. He was named our BOG by 5AA. Not that this is the be all and end all but during the last half I had the feeling he had played a vary good game and seems to have a lot more run than in recent weeks.

Tippett only took one contested mark and I think 2 uncontested. Hardly a few good grabs.
As for Tippett, from memory they took two off him; I counted them as good grabs.

BTW you should halve Goodwin’s possession count because so many came as a result of 1-2’s; so many cheap possessions. Admittedly his second half was marginally better but man, he was average at best.
 
Geez Drummond I bagged you last week then you come up with a gem, your making it hard. I agree with all apart from Van Berlo just can't see [in 2008] what everyone else is cranking about. In my opinion has dropped off big time is doing nothing more than Shirley or Doughty did in 2007 and 2008 and yet remains crowd favourite. Don't hang me just yet, he has all the potential but i think this year is his poorest really struggling to make an impact on a game...even Liam Dickering rated him C grade for 2008.
 
Remember,we played the best team in the league tonight.We lost to Bulldogs on the last kick,lost to Hawks by 4pts.We're not that bad.But yeah,piss the Emu off.Douglas wasnt that bad.2 goals..Knights laid 7 tackles.You should check Dream Team pts for an accurate reading on how the guys did.
 
As for Tippett, from memory they took two off him; I counted them as good grabs.

BTW you should halve Goodwin’s possession count because so many came as a result of 1-2’s; so many cheap possessions. Admittedly his second half was marginally better but man, he was average at best.

Tippett did take a beauty on the outer wing that they took off him for a push, I'll give you that.

You are possibly right about we should halve Goodwin's possessions but that's goes for most players nowadays. They were talking on radio after the game about how teams used to have 10 total handballs for the game. These days they can have over 200. Amazing how much it has changed.

I was calling for Goodwin to be rested after the Hawks game but I really thought he played a lot better tonight.
 
Remember,we played the best team in the league tonight.We lost to Bulldogs on the last kick,lost to Hawks by 4pts.We're not that bad.But yeah,piss the Emu off.Douglas wasnt that bad.2 goals..Knights laid 7 tackles.You should check Dream Team pts for an accurate reading on how the guys did.

Your exactly right. Dream Team is such a good measure of how a player has played. Thankyou for making me aware of this.
 

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Shirley was not on Ablett he was on Bartel, and Bartel got 40 touches

Did Shirley play on Ablett or Bartel?
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I know Massie started on Ablett, but then Massie didn't stay on him for too long. I have no idea who finished on Ablett. In fact Shirley once got a free against for holding Bartel which would indicate that maybe he was tagging Bartel. If that’s the case, reverse what I said in my OP. ;)

The only time I've ever praised Shirley and it might be unwarranted. :p Bartel DESTROYED us tonight, whoever was tagging him was well and truly smashed.
 
Tippett did take a beauty on the outer wing that they took off him for a push, I'll give you that.

You are possibly right about we should halve Goodwin's possessions but that's goes for most players nowadays. They were talking on radio after the game about how teams used to have 10 total handballs for the game. These days they can have over 200. Amazing how much it has changed.

I was calling for Goodwin to be rested after the Hawks game but I really thought he played a lot better tonight.

Goodwin was moving a lot freer tonight I thought so that was good. His miss on goal from 20 out was a :eek: - but it is something we have been suffering from as a team for quite some time now.
 
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I know Massie started on Ablett, but then Massie didn't stay on him for too long. I have no idea who finished on Ablett. In fact Shirley once got a free against for holding Bartel which would indicate that maybe he was tagging Bartel. If that’s the case, reverse what I said in my OP. ;)

The only time I've ever praised Shirley and it might be unwarranted. :p Bartel DESTROYED us tonight, whoever was tagging him was well and truly smashed.

Who did Doughty play on?
 
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I know Massie started on Ablett, but then Massie didn't stay on him for too long. I have no idea who finished on Ablett. In fact Shirley once got a free against for holding Bartel which would indicate that maybe he was tagging Bartel. If that’s the case, reverse what I said in my OP. ;)

The only time I've ever praised Shirley and it might be unwarranted. :p Bartel DESTROYED us tonight, whoever was tagging him was well and truly smashed.

Ablett played mostly across HF, Massie started on Ablett, and Doughty and VB also spent minimal time on him

however, Shirley picked up Jimmy B and got an old fashion touch up
 
What a depressing night. When you have it spelled out to you just how far away you are from being a premiership side, depression would have to set in surely. From the first bounce when Geelong streamed forward with a clinical series of handballs and hit Chapman lace out you knew we were in for a long night.

The most disappointing aspect for me was the first quarter when we had NO ONE in our forward fifty for extended periods. It was no surprise that we were 0.1 at quarter time. I know Geelong started well but we then seemed to panic instantly, pushed players back and our forwards went way up the ground leaving us with no one to kick to. The second and third quarters were much better. At least we fired a few shots.

Out of our inclusions this week I thought Symes tried hard but struggled with the pace of the game. Chose some kicking options that were well beyond his capabilities which cost us. Will be better for the run. Massie got better as the game went on. Let it go over the back twice in the first half which cost two goals but his second half was much, much better.

The worrying thing out of the game was that when the pressure was at its highest, several of our players were found out in terms of ball handling, footskills and their ability to lay a tackle. These shortcomings often don't get exposed by the run-of-the-mill sides, Geelong clearly highlighted for us every weakness we have.

Our forward line has degenerated into a makeshift shambles. Rutten spent some time up there, Johncock did, Bassett spent a quarter floating across half forward, Maric swapped with Tippett occassionally... we were all over the place and the only players who provided a regular long marking option were Porplyzia and Douglas - the two shortest blokes on the ground.

Porplyzia is playing with one arm at the moment. Whilst still a gun and contributing, he is unable to tackle and even some marking attempts were token one hand efforts. Goodwin played well but picked himself up very slowly a few times. Is still clearly under duress. Will be a tough end to the season for those blokes.
 
Douglas: Aren’t we trying to re-sign the guy? Heavens knows why.
Agree with most of what you said, but your hate of Douglas is bewildering. Are you blaming him for not marking the ball when bombed in & has 3 taller opponents to compete against. Richie is coming along nicely, is a class act & club would be mad not to sign him.

Agree on your thought on Goody. No point him playing if he is injured & his disposal is largely ineffective.
 
10 years on and we still have an inconsistent and inefficient forward line. Tippett needs a week or two with Westies. Need Hentschel back.

Obviously got a long way to go before we even consider Top 4.

We're going to struggle to make the 8 - which was exactly my pre-season prediction.

As far as I'm concerned, we need to play with the flair and lack of expectation that we showed in the first 7 or 8 rounds. Run it through the guts and see what happens.

This way, we'll either hover between 7th and 10th playing exciting football or hover between 7th and 10th playing stangnant football.
 
Agree with most of what you said, but your hate of Douglas is bewildering. Are you blaming him for not marking the ball when bombed in & has 3 taller opponents to compete against. Richie is coming along nicely, is a class act & club would be mad not to sign him.

Agree on your thought on Goody. No point him playing if he is injured & his disposal is largely ineffective.

Agree with your thoughts on Douglas, was given no chance tonight. He has had a good year for mine and has a lot to offer going toward the future. Only problem tonight, as in the game against Essendon, was his finishing for goal. Only difference was tonight didn't 'really' matter.
 
You should check Dream Team pts for an accurate reading on how the guys did.

Jason Cloke would have won a Brownlow if Dream Team points counted anywhere other than fantasy land.
 
Agree with most of what you said, but your hate of Douglas is bewildering. Are you blaming him for not marking the ball when bombed in & has 3 taller opponents to compete against. Richie is coming along nicely, is a class act & club would be mad not to sign him.

Agree on your thought on Goody. No point him playing if he is injured & his disposal is largely ineffective.

totally agree, when playing as a small forward we kicked the ball to him like he was a tall

when he moved in the middle he gave us some pace and drive and ran the lines, I would like to see Richie play of HB and spend more time on the ball
 

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