Tim Rogers/ Missy Higgins Altercation

[The invisible mullet]

so, you admit he was more of a liability that an assest when he was drunk? So, you were just arguing with me for the sake of arguing?
Fair enough QUOTE]

nope and nope - he was drunk in 2001 as well as in 91. The difference in 91 at the concert I went to was that he was mind bogglingly drunk and ripped but nonetheless the concert was value for money (because of the other strengths of the band).

 

[otaku]

so, you admit he was more of a liability that an assest when he was drunk? So, you were just arguing with me for the sake of arguing?
Fair enough

nope and nope - he was drunk in 2001 as well as in 91. The difference in 91 at the concert I went to was that he was mind bogglingly drunk and ripped but nonetheless the concert was value for money (because of the other strengths of the band).

So, you are argeeing with me. Why the argument then?

 

[The invisible mullet]

no I'm not agreeing with you

 

[otaku]

let me spell it out for you.

you say:

"The difference in 91 at the concert I went to was that he was mind bogglingly drunk and ripped but nonetheless the concert was value for money (because of the other strengths of the band)." [Emphasis mine]

So, he is more of a liability when drunk. You have explicitly stated that. The concert was good "because of the other strengths of the band".

That is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, you have either been arguing for the sake of it, or simply not reading my posts.

 

[The invisible mullet]

let me spell it out for you.

you say:

"The difference in 91 at the concert I went to was that he was mind bogglingly drunk and ripped but nonetheless the concert was value for money (because of the other strengths of the band)." [Emphasis mine]

So, he is more of a liability when drunk. You have explicitly stated that. The concert was good "because of the other strengths of the band".

That is what I have been saying all along. Obviously, you have either been arguing for the sake of it, or simply not reading my posts.

Let me spell this out for you: you are a goose.

He was drunk in 2001 - he's probably been drunk since 1980. He's often not a liability when he's drunk but in 1991 he was in a different hemisphere.

 

[funkyfreo]

Back to good old Tim - when he is that drunk I feel a bit sorry for him and me and my mates wish we could try and get backstage and give him a big group hug. I told my wife about this last night and she sighed and said his missus should slap him around the face and tell him to stop being so melodramatic, and make him admit he has life pretty good!

Sadly many great great artists do have legit mental/depression issues - look at Cobain, Elvis, Van Gogh, the list is endless (well not mine there are clearly only 3 but you gget my drift).

Sure I'd rather he was not an alcoholic - but it does not make him scum, and it does not make the music any less superb.

 

[otaku]

Let me spell this out for you: you are a goose.

He was drunk in 2001 - he's probably been drunk since 1980. He's often not a liability when he's drunk but in 1991 he was in a different hemisphere.

By that stage he was close to a liability on stage which led to their breakup a couple of years later - in most cases the rest of the band could still put together a blinder of a set (hence they were still great value)

The difference in 91 at the concert I went to was that he was mind bogglingly drunk and ripped but nonetheless the concert was value for money (because of the other strengths of the band).

Well to be fair there was enough talent in that band (3 other vocalists) to still have a pretty good concert so I still got value for money. That said Brixton 2001 he went the distance and was in good form and it was a cracking concert.

Seems to me you have agreed with me the whole way along.

I am not talking about simply being ********ed here - i am talking falling over, slurring, unable to perform ********ed, exactly what Tim "Boring Arsed Singer" Rogers was doing.. Now, in each quote above, you have agreed with my statements. So, who is the goose?

 

[The invisible mullet]

I haven't quite agreed with you. There are times when the doors of excess are thrown open too widely but there are time when they're not but you really do seem to have a problem with Tim Rogers. And for god's sake it wouldn't be rock and roll if you didn't have an occasional lost weekend. Go and knit a sweater or something.

 

[IDGAF]

Back to good old Tim - when he is that drunk I feel a bit sorry for him and me and my mates wish we could try and get backstage and give him a big group hug. I told my wife about this last night and she sighed and said his missus should slap him around the face and tell him to stop being so melodramatic, and make him admit he has life pretty good!

Sadly many great great artists do have legit mental/depression issues - look at Cobain, Elvis, Van Gogh, the list is endless (well not mine there are clearly only 3 but you gget my drift).

Sure I'd rather he was not an alcoholic - but it does not make him scum, and it does not make the music any less superb.

That`s probably fair enough but his track record of throwing his opinions around and bagging all and sundry on a consistent basis is wearing thin .

If he can`t be a happy drunk then he should seriously look at giving it away ( the booze)

I`ll reiterate what i said earlier ..... having a shot at at 21 year old Missy is as weak as p..s , drunk or not drunk

 

[IDGAF]

Think you will find I said "Hardest working band in Aussie Rock History, but I see you choose to see what you want to see.

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Excuse me for leaving a word out ....... to say they are the hardest working band in "AUSSIE" rock history is a load of shyte .

You obviously have a very limited spectrum

 

[funkyfreo]

Tim "Boring Arsed Singer" Rogers

See the thing is Otaku, you don't like Tim, as your demonstrate above, so really you are playing the man not the issue.

As a Tim fan, well I'll take the times he is too ********ed as part and parcel of the whole shebang.

If Missy Higgins can't stand up for herself by now then she should change industries. IDGAF, would you have minded if it was a 21yo bloke rocker?

 

[IDGAF]

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If Missy Higgins can't stand up for herself by now then she should change industries. IDGAF, would you have minded if it was a 21yo bloke rocker?

A - I suspect he would not have had a go and B- No i wouldn`t have minded because then "He" could have punched his lights out .

So , you are saying he is justified at taking a shot at Higgins , just because he may not like her music?

 

[otaku]

See the thing is Otaku, you don't like Tim, as your demonstrate above, so really you are playing the man not the issue.

As a Tim fan, well I'll take the times he is too ********ed as part and parcel of the whole shebang.

the man (and his actions) are the issue. Getting slaughtered and having a dummy spit at another performer is just pathetic. Being unable to do your job because you are too shytefaced is also pathetic.

He is nothing but a washed up has been, who is venting his spleen at someone who is on their way up.

You say, as a fan, you would accept the fact that Tim would turn up and be unable to perform. Now seeing him perform is (i assume) the reason you would have gone there in the first place. Unless you are a Tim groupie, that is.

So, whats the point in going, if he is just going to be staggering around, unable to sing?

 

[otaku]

I haven't quite agreed with you.

yes, you have.

There are times when the doors of excess are thrown open too widely but there are time when they're not but you really do seem to have a problem with Tim Rogers. And for god's sake it wouldn't be rock and roll if you didn't have an occasional lost weekend. Go and knit a sweater or something.

Got no problem with anyone getting para if they wish.

What i do have a problem with is performers who do it, get up on stage and slur a few bitchy words about other performers and then their groupie fans say "oh, he is so cool, so "rock and roll", so edgy" as all you tim fans seem to be saying.

He is just a w@nker, pure and simple.

 

[ramjet]

not here to justify what sounds like a sh**house gig in tassie but in tim roger's defence, it seems he didnt literally take a swing at her. from what ive heard (and yes, its only third hand), he grabbed her in a bear hug, was too p*ssed to hold her up and therefore came crashing on top of her as she went to ground. conflicting stories as to whether she was actually knocked out or not but it seems their was no malice in it. hopefully.

 

[funkyfreo]

A - I suspect he would not have had a go and B- No i wouldn`t have minded because then "He" could have punched his lights out .

So , you are saying he is justified at taking a shot at Higgins , just because he may not like her music?

By taking a shot I did think people were refering to verbally. No he should not be punching anyone if that was the case which I doubt, but I just mean that fact she is a girl makes no difference IMO.

 

[funkyfreo]

the man (and his actions) are the issue. Getting slaughtered and having a dummy spit at another performer is just pathetic. Being unable to do your job because you are too shytefaced is also pathetic.

He is nothing but a washed up has been, who is venting his spleen at someone who is on their way up.

You say, as a fan, you would accept the fact that Tim would turn up and be unable to perform. Now seeing him perform is (i assume) the reason you would have gone there in the first place. Unless you are a Tim groupie, that is.

So, whats the point in going, if he is just going to be staggering around, unable to sing?

I am a Tim Groupie yes But I've not said I'd like to be at a write off gig, or that it makes him cooler or more edgy, just that I love his music and accept that me may not have the best grip on his drinking on occasions.

You think he is a ********er and that is your perogative, but it is not like you like the music anyway, you are just being a killjoy grumpybum IMO.

 

[otaku]

I am a Tim Groupie yes But I've not said I'd like to be at a write off gig, or that it makes him cooler or more edgy, just that I love his music and accept that me may not have the best grip on his drinking on occasions.

You think he is a ********er and that is your perogative, but it is not like you like the music anyway, you are just being a killjoy grumpybum IMO.

A killjoy grumpybum because i expect the people I pay to perform to actually perform??

oh dear FF.

 

[funkyfreo]

A killjoy grumpybum because i expect the people I pay to perform to actually perform??

oh dear FF.

No for your obvious displeasure at Tim in general, and then using this incident to write him off completely.

 

[funkyfreo]

A killjoy grumpybum because i expect the people I pay to perform to actually perform??

oh dear FF.

A killjoy grumpybum because:

yet again - tim rogers being a tw@t. no surprises there - anything to divert attention away from his boring assed music

He is just a washed up has been.

he is a complete fu cktard who has lost the plot

He is nothing but a washed up has been

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You don;t like him anywa, have made that clear, so really your views are 100% irrelevant.

 

[otaku]

No for your obvious displeasure at Tim in general, and then using this incident to write him off completely.

he wrote himself off - i didnt do it.

 

[otaku]

A killjoy grumpybum because:

You don;t like him anywa, have made that clear, so really your views are 100% irrelevant.

ahh, so you are one of these people who thinks that because my views arn't the same as yours, they are irrelevant. What a shame that doesnt hold true, eh FF?

 

[funkyfreo]

ahh, so you are one of these people who thinks that because my views arn't the same as yours, they are irrelevant. What a shame that doesnt hold true, eh FF?

You are not a Tim Rogers or You am I fan, regardless of the drunken nature occasionally on show from the front man. Therefore, it matters not what you think about being happy or unhappy about this show, as you would not have been there anyway. I'm sorry you are intolerant of music genres that you don't like.

 

[otaku]

You are not a Tim Rogers or You am I fan, regardless of the drunken nature occasionally on show from the front man. Therefore, it matters not what you think about being happy or unhappy about this show, as you would not have been there anyway. I'm sorry you are intolerant of music genres that you don't like.

And all that still doesnt preclude me from holding a viewpoint on the nature of the offense.

Shame you cant see that, and have to defend poor little timmy to the bitter end.

 

[funkyfreo]

And all that still doesnt preclude me from holding a viewpoint on the nature of the offense.

Shame you cant see that, and have to defend poor little timmy to the bitter end.

I think if you read the thread you will find I have been quite even, wish he didn't do it, but accept that he sometimes does, but that is no reason to completely write him of in every respect.

Only one of us here has no balance in their views, and a 100% determination to never listen to anyone else, as repeated time and time again on BF.

I never said you could not have a viewpoint - just that is means nada.