Time to get M Rendell SIMPLE!

[Delids]

So are we going to ignore and continue to accept whats being the problem of the RFC for the past 30 years?
It comes down to recruiting, recruiting!!!!!!!
Guys on this board who love FJ and the Staff at RFC who continue to make up excuses for him - its time to make a statement and go after Matt Rendel and sack FJ. Lets just have a look at M REndel record at Adelaide, and he hasnt had the early picks that we have had
Its sad how our first two pick in last years draft didnt play on the weekend, then you see Heppell, Caddy Darling floating around yesterday & we had a chance to get any of these players. All3 of these players are miles in front of Conca. No offence to conca coz he didnt pick himself, but he has alot of flaws in his game. My biggest issue with him is that he always goes to ground, well after yesterday, he has had a lot of friends.
We still have no developing young ruckman on our list. TV is not a first ruck, we still A Browne, A Graham & now Dericx is a CHB????
We still have no depth in the mid, this is evident that Foley hasnt been easy to replace and conca has been dropped
No small forward?
Can somebody please tell me when was the last time we had a likely CHF on our list.
We need show some balls and trade Vickery coz to me he is not a first ruck and not a key forward. He has some trade value, perhaps we trade him with a pick to GWS for a player in the mini draft.
J Hogan, CHF from WA, anyone?? To me at best we are going to be middle road for a few years unless we change our recruiting staff & mindset.
THis maybe our last opportunity to draft for a gun CHF in the mould of Jeremy Cameron (thats how highly touted Jesse Hogan is) coz they are usually picked up as a top 3 pick. I dont think we will finish that low for a while. Lets be bold and trade with GWS in this years mini draft, just like the Crows and GC did last year.
Sack Jackon and Replace him with REndell

 

[MightyTiger]

Jeez this board is a shit hole after a loss.

 

[Delids]

Jeez this board is a shit hole after a loss.

I have been saying it for a few years and thats prob the reason why i continue to say it after a loss, coz we are not drafting correctly. We have rebuilt for 30 years and still going no where. Clubs rebuild after us and climb the ladder quicker, have a look at Hawks WCE

 

[nobulltiger]

Don't think FJ needs to be sacked, maybe Rendell can join him. Don't see any harm in that.

 

[smasha]

Odear.

 

[MightyTiger]

I have been saying it for a few years and thats prob the reason why i continue to say it after a loss, coz we are not drafting correctly. We have rebuilt for 30 years and still going no where. Clubs rebuild after us and climb the ladder quicker, have a look at Hawks WCE

Our rebuild has been a complete over haul of the list, both teams you mentioned had a good quality core of senior players and brought in youth to put around the senior guys.

But I'm sure you knew that already, right?

 

[Delids]

Don't think FJ needs to be sacked, maybe Rendell can join him. Don't see any harm in that.

So u r asking Rendell to take orders from FJ? R u serious, do u really think he would want to work along side FJ, u would embarrass him, its different he was asked to work along side, D Hiene, or Wells from Geelong. Guys like Rendell should be asked to run our recruiting department and have full control, with people working under him.

 

[richmond_14]

It would be great to get him and something they should definitely look into. But all you guys complaining about our drafting, the game has changed a lot over the past few years, and even this year. We've only just started drafting to an overhaul of our list, and all our core guys are 24 and under. Tucky wont be there in a couple of years, and by then i assume we will have a ready placement for him, same with foley. We can't draft every possible need in one or two years, and the coaches know this. They are not stupid. I predict we will start taking the best available midfielder, and possibly even picking up one or two in free agency/trades. Give the recruiters a go and stop jumping on them at every available chance. We lost to one of the best teams in the AFL at their home ground yesterday, running around without one of our most important midfielders. Not the end of the world.

 

[Bojangles17]

So u r asking Rendell to take orders from FJ? R u serious, do u really think he would want to work along side FJ, u would embarrass him, its different he was asked to work along side, D Hiene, or Wells from Geelong. Guys like Rendell should be asked to run our recruiting department and have full control, with people working under him.

Settle down junior whilst i accept rendell has some skill in the recruiting department, he's done nothing to suggest he can manage. Our recruiting has improved significantly in recent years, nothing has occurred in last 12 months that would warrant an overhaul...using 30 years to build your case is at best peurile, at worst a rant straight from the woofer, which is probably where it belongs

 

[tigs2010]

Ugh! Not this again...

It's like people expected a miracle to turn the list over in 3 years when Hardwick came. Let's be honest FJ didn't get a huge number of picks when Wallace was around besides 2006.

From 2006 we had 3 playing yesterday (Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors) while a 4th was traded for one of our best players this year. (Collins for Grigg) He only missed 1 completely in Peterson (pick 60).

From 2007 we only had 3 picks of which 2 are in our top 8 players (Cotchin and Rance). Putt (pick 51) being the failure. If not for Miller giving up 19 we'd have Scott Selwood too.

In 2008 we again only had 4 picks (ND/PSD combined) of which we got Vickery (who was very good last year) and Post (pick 26) who I believe is our 1 major stuff up. Hislop/Cousins weren't FJ's work.

In 2009 we finally added more recruiters in (not to be underestimated) plus had a new coach with new philosophies and a complete overhaul of the list. We had 8 picks in these drafts of which we have Martin and Grimes who are both very good. Griffiths who looks very promising as did Astbury. (given no.12 after his first year) Dea has shown quite a few signs this year for someone who has played barely any footy. (I'll get shot down by OP over this because he was poor yesterday) Taylor, Webberley and Nason (picks 51,67,71 respectively were again all late picks and hardly worth getting the sack over.

2010 in a heavily compromised draft we took 5 picks of which IMO 3 look the goods long term in Conca, Helbig, Batchelor. Again the picks that appear to have failed are MacDonald (51) and Derickx (63). Hardly worth getting the sack over.

2011 is way too early to judge but Ellis looks promising from the early signs and I believe Elton is the strong marking CHF we have been crying out for. Still 3-4 years away though. Arnot fills a need and who knows but again he's a pick after 50. O'Hanlon probably looks more promising than Arnot at this stage.

All-in-all there is one failure with picks inside the top 50. 2009 onwards is probably a bit early to call Griff/Astbury/Ellis/Elton/Helbig/Dea successes but I believe they will all be either good players or solid role players.

 

[tugga]

Gotta love reactionary threads after a three goal loss to a top 4 side. Actually, no, you don't gotta love them.
MightyTiger summed it up perfectly.

 

[Delids]

Our rebuild has been a complete over haul of the list, both teams you mentioned had a good quality core of senior players and brought in youth to put around the senior guys.

But I'm sure you knew that already, right?

Back in 2004, when both TIgers and hawks were bottom, RFC had just as many seniors players like Richo N Brown, Kane Johnson T Simmons etc, look who they drafted and what we did with our five picks in the top 20. WCE hit with there picks. I know the situation we have been in, i just think a Rendell would be a great fit for a club that has struggled with recruiting for years and continues to haunt us.
Like Kevin Sheedy has said for years, problem with Richmond is that they cant RECRUIT.

 

[tigs2010]

Back in 2004, when both TIgers and hawks were bottom, RFC had just as many seniors players like Richo N Brown, Kane Johnson T Simmons etc, look who they drafted and what we did with our five picks in the top 20. WCE hit with there picks. I know the situation we have been in, i just think a Rendell would be a great fit for a club that has struggled with recruiting for years and continues to haunt us.
Like Kevin Sheedy has said for years, problem with Richmond is that they cant RECRUIT.

FJ wasnt at Richmond then.

 

[Delids]

Ugh! Not this again...

It's like people expected a miracle to turn the list over in 3 years when Hardwick came. Let's be honest FJ didn't get a huge number of picks when Wallace was around besides 2006.

From 2006 we had 3 playing yesterday (Riewoldt, Edwards, Connors) while a 4th was traded for one of our best players this year. (Collins for Grigg) He only missed 1 completely in Peterson (pick 60).

From 2007 we only had 3 picks of which 2 are in our top 8 players (Cotchin and Rance). Putt (pick 51) being the failure. If not for Miller giving up 19 we'd have Scott Selwood too.

In 2008 we again only had 4 picks (ND/PSD combined) of which we got Vickery (who was very good last year) and Post (pick 26) who I believe is our 1 major stuff up. Hislop/Cousins weren't FJ's work.

In 2009 we finally added more recruiters in (not to be underestimated) plus had a new coach with new philosophies and a complete overhaul of the list. We had 8 picks in these drafts of which we have Martin and Grimes who are both very good. Griffiths who looks very promising as did Astbury. (given no.12 after his first year) Dea has shown quite a few signs this year for someone who has played barely any footy. (I'll get shot down by OP over this because he was poor yesterday) Taylor, Webberley and Nason (picks 51,67,71 respectively were again all late picks and hardly worth getting the sack over.

2010 in a heavily compromised draft we took 5 picks of which IMO 3 look the goods long term in Conca, Helbig, Batchelor. Again the picks that appear to have failed are MacDonald (51) and Derickx (63). Hardly worth getting the sack over.

2011 is way too early to judge but Ellis looks promising from the early signs and I believe Elton is the strong marking CHF we have been crying out for. Still 3-4 years away though. Arnot fills a need and who knows but again he's a pick after 50. O'Hanlon probably looks more promising than Arnot at this stage.

All-in-all there is one failure with picks inside the top 50. 2009 onwards is probably a bit early to call Griff/Astbury/Ellis/Elton/Helbig/Dea successes but I believe they will all be either good players or solid role players.

My point exactly been there since 2006, no finals and we have rebuilt twice since then. How many chances do u get?
Dea should never have been drafted in ND, rookie at best, too many flaws in his game to warrant a pick in ND. Especially from a kid who had only played 6 games of school footy. How do u justify a pick like this, when you are rebuilding?
2006, u can only count Jack, & Titch, trading for Grigg is Blair Hartley work. Connors was on trade table last year but nobody wanted.
2007, Cotch was a given. And rance has done well. So we nailed two picks from finishing last.
2008 so we have 1 player in this draft who we all arent convinced he will be a 200 game player. I wonder who the pies picked after TV and post......
2009 At this stage only Martin I have complete confidence that he will be a 200 game player from ND draft, pick 3 though he shouldnt have stuffed it up. I am praying for Griff. This looks like it could be a complete flop of a draft. Grimms a big tick. Astbury is a massive worry, forget about his number.
2010- I still cant understand why Conca got drafted when he did. Essendon thought it was December 25.
Yep FJ is flying, hang on lets give him another 5 years. coz at Punt Rd we accept crap!
But Rendell will end up at Collingwood and make them stronger

 

[Delids]

FJ wasnt at Richmond then.

Recruiting has been a problem for 30 years. WE have not improved in this department. FJ been there 2005. He saw someting in JON.
Enough said

 

[theflea]

Back in 2004, when both TIgers and hawks were bottom, RFC had just as many seniors players like Richo N Brown, Kane Johnson T Simmons etc, look who they drafted and what we did with our five picks in the top 20. WCE hit with there picks. I know the situation we have been in, i just think a Rendell would be a great fit for a club that has struggled with recruiting for years and continues to haunt us.
Like Kevin Sheedy has said for years, problem with Richmond is that they cant RECRUIT.

rubbish the hawks had the up and coming mids we didnt. crawford,hodge,bateman,mitchell,osborne,sewell etc.they then added ellis,lewis,young to the list. they were all young or in their prime. ours were junk hence we needed mids in that draft.yes that failed but that was the thinking.

 

[juss]

Lol @ every list/player problem being blamed on the recruiters (FJ in particular).

Development > Recruiting.

 

[theflea]

Recruiting has been a problem for 30 years. WE have not improved in this department. FJ been there 2005. He saw someting in JON.
Enough said

you do realise that miller was the h.o.d then and made the finals decisions. i also dont agree with your assessments of conca, while i think its been our DEVELOPMENT of our players thats been worse.

 

[_RT_]

I have been saying it for a few years and thats prob the reason why i continue to say it after a loss, coz we are not drafting correctly. We have rebuilt for 30 years and still going no where. Clubs rebuild after us and climb the ladder quicker, have a look at Hawks WCE

So you continue to say it after a loss, why don't you ever mention it after a win?

BTW, neither the Hawks or Eagles have done a rebuild anywhere near as deep as we have undergone in the last 2 years.

 

[tigs2010]

Recruiting has been a problem for 30 years. WE have not improved in this department. FJ been there 2005. He saw someting in JON.
Enough said

Need to learn the difference between a recruiter and a scout.

My point exactly been there since 2006, no finals and we have rebuilt twice since then. How many chances do u get?
Dea should never have been drafted in ND, rookie at best, too many flaws in his game to warrant a pick in ND. Especially from a kid who had only played 6 games of school footy. How do u justify a pick like this, when you are rebuilding?
2006, u can only count Jack, & Titch, trading for Grigg is Blair Hartley work. Connors was on trade table last year but nobody wanted.
2007, Cotch was a given. And rance has done well. So we nailed two picks from finishing last.
2008 so we have 1 player in this draft who we all arent convinced he will be a 200 game player. I wonder who the pies picked after TV and post......
2009 At this stage only Martin I have complete confidence that he will be a 200 game player from ND draft, pick 3 though he shouldnt have stuffed it up. I am praying for Griff. This looks like it could be a complete flop of a draft. Grimms a big tick. Astbury is a massive worry, forget about his number.
2010- I still cant understand why Conca got drafted when he did. Essendon thought it was December 25.
Yep FJ is flying, hang on lets give him another 5 years. coz at Punt Rd we accept crap!
But Rendell will end up at Collingwood and make them stronger

Anyone else see the funny side of the bolded parts?

I can't even be bothered but:

2006: I didn't say Grigg was his work but we got Grigg for a direct swap with his pick 70-odd. Connors is playing first team football for a guy taken at 58.
2007: LMAO. Have a look at how many picks we took.
2008: Again have a look at how many picks we took (on kids as TW is responsible for the ex-AFL picks.)
2009: I got to this and went oh yeah you have no idea and shook my head. Astbury is a massive worry? Lulz. Griff kept Tippett to 1 touch for 2.5 quarters until the floodgates opened.
2010: They are 2nd year players FFS.

By the way this is post 20 of the thread and no one has agreed with you?

 

[Delids]

So you continue to say it after a loss, why don't you ever mention it after a win?

BTW, neither the Hawks or Eagles have done a rebuild anywhere near as deep as we have undergone in the last 2 years.

U r right, the reason why our rebuild was so deep is coz we have butchered draft picks in previous years. My point exactly.
Thats why we have been so poor for so long, we do a rebuild we stuff it up and then we have to do another one. Thats why our rebuild is so deep.
I understand the position we are in, i think our recent improvement has come more from trading and drafting mature age which RFC has nailed. Blair Hartley has been great and our assistant coaches and development has improved heaps. The last peice of the puzzle is our drafting, i think we are a long way off.
Eventhough i am happy with our improvement i am still a realist and understand that a injury to Cotch Jack or even I MARIC and we would be back to bottom 4. We still lack depth.

 

[RFC_Official]

Just something to note out of all this, Collingwood flew Dea down to Melbourne to interview him and likely would have drafted him if we didn't.

 

[_RT_]

U r right, the reason why our rebuild was so deep is coz we have butchered draft picks in previous years. My point exactly.
Thats why we have been so poor for so long, we do a rebuild we stuff it up and then we have to do another one. Thats why our rebuild is so deep.
I understand the position we are in, i think our recent improvement has come more from trading and drafting mature age which RFC has nailed. Blair Hartley has been great and our assistant coaches and development has improved heaps. The last peice of the puzzle is our drafting, i think we are a long way off.
Eventhough i am happy with our improvement i am still a realist and understand that a injury to Cotch Jack or even I MARIC and we would be back to bottom 4. We still lack depth.

Thats hardly the fault of FJ, when he first arrived he was the only recruiter we had and even then I believe he was only part time. In the last couple of years we've brought in extra recruiting staff as well as Blair Hartley to boost our recruitment dept. Since that has happened we've performed much better at the draft table unearthing a few gems.

As for the depth of course its lacking, that happens when you effectively get rid of an entire list of players over the last 3 off seasons and replace them with kids. Despite this we have gone from a side that was considered worse than Fitzroy in its dying days to a side that is fighting for a top 8 spot in 2 years. The fact is we still have areas to fix and we can't do anymore about it than what we have done so far. No doubt we will address these areas again come seasons end, remember we are well placed to make a play for a free agent or 2 and we'll likely have another half a dozen draft picks to play with.

Having said that I wouldn't be against the club chatting to Rendell and getting him in to work alongside Jackson & Hartley, word is that he was looking at a part time role rather than a full time position.

 

[Bojangles17]

Stop spanning your argument over 30 years, the only relevance is last few seasons that those involved in recruiting have had any influence in shaping our list...our drafting in last 4 years or so stacks up pretty well against anyone.

 

[Strawbs]

To answer one of the questions in the OP, the last time we had a potential CHF on our list is NOW. Vickery kicked 30+ Goals last year, has battled injury this year, is two metres tall and probably won't peak until he's 25-26. Astbury has shown he can play forward and Griff is also a potential CHF if necessary. Not quite sure what you've got against Francis Jackson - next you'll be pinning the Kennedy assassination on him.