Time to get M Rendell SIMPLE!

[tugga]

This football club needs someone who has the ability to build a list.
Rendell has bona fides with his efforts at Adelaide, Francis Jackson has 0.

Yep, coz Adelaide was flying last year. How many flags havde they won since Rendell was there again?

 

[Delids]

Yep, coz Adelaide was flying last year. How many flags havde they won since Rendell was there again?

One bad year?, under Rendell they made finals consistently, and he has left the place in good shape.
U must like not making finals. FJ been there since 2005. We have made finals 2 in 32 years.
We have had early picks priority picks and we have done jack! Sorry it will be 33 years of Misery & then 34,35. We change coaches but this bloke continues to survive
I cant understand if there is a better bloke out there why we dont get him? I would be wrapt if we got Derek Heine from Pies, but blokes on this board dont even want to go there as FJ is some sort of saviour, based on what?
I am over it as r so many other supporters, i am over rebuilds, how many can a club f8ck up!

 

[Toothpick Vic]

One bad year?, under Rendell they made finals consistently, and he has left the place in good shape.
U must like not making finals. FJ been there since 2005. We have made finals 2 in 32 years.
We have had early picks priority picks and we have done jack! Sorry it will be 33 years of Misery & then 34,35. We change coaches but this bloke continues to survive
I cant understand if there is a better bloke out there why we dont get him? I would be wrapt if we got Derek Heine from Pies, but blokes on this board dont even want to go there as FJ is some sort of saviour, based on what?
I am over it as r so many other supporters, i am over rebuilds, how many can a club f8ck up!

Completely agree with this

Our late draft pick/rookie picks have been nothing but an utter waste.....

Watching Webberly do literally nothing had my blood boiling.. Was it 09 when he and Nason were both taken as mature picks late in the draft?? Seriously what could he have possibly thought we were going to get with 2 undersized meek nothing players with average skills?? Just pathetic drafting.. And was Derrickx even dominating at WAFL level??

He has bolted on Conca, Batchelor, Dea, Astbury and very much has his balls on the line here..

I actually dont even want to go into our rookie picks because that read like a train wreck....

Mind blowing how people are in staunch defence of this bloke..

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Yesterday was the ideal occassion why you would draft mature aged players . We had injuries and we needed matured bodies to take up some slack , not dominate just do their job . They failed and failed terribly badly . Furthermore every year we continue to have players leave mid season . It's not acceptable you can't continue to waste spots upon a list and then expect to have similar depth to other clubs that you are competing against .

 

[Delids]

Completely agree with this

Our late draft pick/rookie picks have been nothing but an utter waste.....

Watching Webberly do literally nothing had my blood boiling.. Was it 09 when he and Nason were both taken as mature picks late in the draft?? Seriously what could he have possibly thought we were going to get with 2 undersized meek nothing players with average skills?? Just pathetic drafting.. And was Derrickx even dominating at WAFL level??

He has bolted on Conca, Batchelor, Dea, Astbury and very much has his balls on the line here..

I actually dont even want to go into our rookie picks because that read like a train wreck....

Mind blowing how people are in staunch defence of this bloke..

I think it was 2009, what a waste. Just continually wasting picks. U dont clean out another 8 blokes if u drafting well. Our trading has improved but our drafting hasnt. I honestly think FJ pinches himself everyday that he has a job. Other clubs love picking straight after him coz they know he will screw it
THere was strong rumour last year that he was meant to select Tom McDonald but read out Dean Macdonald

 

[the_interloper]

Jeez this board is a shit hole after a loss.

Yeah youre not wrong, and do we really want our club associated with Rendell? What would our indigenous players think about this?

 

[Delids]

Broken Record but i will say it again. RECRUITING IS A MASSIVE ISSUE
Its been an issue for 30 years.
Francis Jackson been there since 2005.
In 2009 said he was going to draft people that can kick, still no, skillful mids, still no CHF, no developing ruck, key back killing us.
We will up for another rebuld. We waste picks. I have real concerns over Reece esp with pick 6.
No club had him in the top 10 but FJ seems to have a gem.... Dea only played 6 games of footy but we pick him with pick 40... i could go on, Post, Nason, Webb..
For all of those Francis Jackson supporters, surely its now time to rethink.
This guy needs to be accountable!
Since 2005, club has sacked senior coaches, assistant coaches, physio staff etc, players BUT HE IS STILL THERE
Going nowhere until we can nail our recruiting

 

[Put a Lids on it]

agreed needs to go after this year, has to be done, need to move on forward, remove all the dead wood.

 

[Tigerbob]

Rendell, Kinnear Beatson and Wells are three of the best recruiting officers in the league. We would be stupid not to obtain his services or try to anyway.

We have the funds now, and the club has PROMISED to do whatever with our money to be the best. Adding him to our club would be a step in the right direction.

Or we could just watch him go to Collingwood who don't talk about wanting to be the best, but actually DO act in manner in being the best. Without club asking for funds from it's supporter base.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Just for interests sake I looked through our recent ND's , for confirmation , and noticed we have taken 3 midfielders in the last 6 drafts ( since 2006 ) being Cotchin , Martin and Foley . Instead we have selected flankers/pockets and tried to play them in the midfield . Yet via trades/rookies the only other we picked up is Cousins , little wonder we have no midfield depth .

 

[Grockadoc]

Yes recruiting might be an issue, but it is 50% of the overall problem. Player Development is just as big a problem than recruiting, if not even more. We have continued to stuff up picks that were destined to become great players and highly rated ie Tambling. It is all well and good pointing out steals of the draft and saying why didn't we draft him etc. If we had of drafted them, there is no way of determining their rate of development would be the same. Richmond has a way of under developing players. Look at Schulz. He is a gun, but was improperly handled.

Yes, Rendell would be a good fit, but I reckon we should have him as a draft advisor, where he gives FJ his thoughts on every player. Why fire someone who has been looking good the past few years?

 

[Tigerbob]

Rendell should be added to what we have, not replacing anyone. We should add to our staff.

Rendall should be Draft Manager or something like that. Where he works closely with our List Manager and Recruiting Manager to come up with the best decisions. With Blair Hartley, Matt Rendell and Francis Jackson we will have a very good and competitive team to get the best players.

Next question then becomes who do we add as Development Coaches and Sports Science/ Elite Performance?

It's a holistic problem, not just recruiting.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just for interests sake I looked through our recent ND's , for confirmation , and noticed we have taken 3 midfielders in the last 6 drafts ( since 2006 ) being Cotchin , Martin and Foley . Instead we have selected flankers/pockets and tried to play them in the midfield . Yet via trades/rookies the only other we picked up is Cousins , little wonder we have no midfield depth .

As I told Slatts last week, the issue is that post Wally, we only had a glut in piss weak flankers. We were lacking QUALITY small forwards, small defenders, inside mids, ruckmen, tall forwards, and tall backs.

Having so many deficiencies has meant we cannot do everything at once, so some areas get a temporary fix (i.e. Thomson and Hislop), while others allow deficient players to remain (McGuane).

Good thing is the list of deficiencies is slowly reducing, and the glut of non-quality players has steadily been heading downwards.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

As I told Slatts last week, the issue is that post Wally, we only had a glut in piss weak flankers. We were lacking QUALITY small forwards, small defenders, inside mids, ruckmen, tall forwards, and tall backs.

Having so many deficiencies has meant we cannot do everything at once, so some areas get a temporary fix (i.e. Thomson and Hislop), while others allow deficient players to remain (McGuane).

Good thing is the list of deficiencies is slowly reducing, and the glut of non-quality players has steadily been heading downwards.

All well and good , but the problem is we have continued to draft and trade for flankers in preference to genuine mids and tried to turn these flankers into mids .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

All well and good , but the problem is we have continued to draft and trade for flankers in preference to genuine mids and tried to turn these flankers into mids .

thats the problem though. We needed flankers because the ones we had couldn't hit a target. We basically had a side where we had no real strength in any part of the entire team. Other clubs do a rebuild based upon an experienced midfield or backline (for example). We have had nothing to build around, so it means everything needs to be changed. Its just a matter of what gets changed first.

Progress is being made though. We are bitching about depth now, and the strength of our last 6 in the first 22. Three years ago we were arguing about which dud was stinking it up the least to deserve a promotion.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

thats the problem though. We needed flankers because the ones we had couldn't hit a target. We basically had a side where we had no real strength in any part of the entire team. Other clubs do a rebuild based upon an experienced midfield or backline (for example). We have had nothing to build around, so it means everything needs to be changed. Its just a matter of what gets changed first.

Progress is being made though. We are bitching about depth now, and the strength of our last 6 in the first 22. Three years ago we were arguing about which dud was stinking it up the least to deserve a promotion.

That doesn't explain why we continue to draft / trade flankers and are trying to turn them
Into midfielders. ? The one area we have always had depth in is flankers and we've continued to draft and trade for them . None of them can rotate upon the ball and it leaves our list severly unbalanced and our midfield extremely exposed if we have A injury . Go through our list at a quick guess I'd say half of our list is pockets or flankers , who can't play through the midfield .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That doesn't explain why we continue to draft / trade flankers and are trying to turn them
Into midfielders. ? The one area we have always had depth in is flankers and we've continued to draft and trade for them . None of them can rotate upon the ball and it leaves our list severly unbalanced and our midfield extremely exposed if we have A injury . Go through our list at a quick guess I'd say half of our list is pockets or flankers , who can't play through the midfield .

Firstly, what depth? For HFF we had Connors, McDonald, and O'Hanlon. Edwards and Jackson were turned into the role this year, and we more often than not have our mids rotating through the role. Nahas seems to me to play either up forward or mid in bursts, so I don't consider him a HFF. The only other one is White, and he has been bounced everywhere as they look for a role for him (wing, inside mid, outside mid, defensive small forward, cleaning Dimmas car). Still no depth there for 2013, with Edwards and O'Hanlon the only real candidates.

For HBF, we have Newman who is out of petrol tickets, Houli, Dea, and Batch (depending upon other structures). Our lack of depth in this area was why Deledio was back there so often (because until the current mob stepped up, none could kick to save themselves). For 2013 we are slightly better than HFF, but I'd be looking at a lower draft pick for one more - personally I'd prefer Houli to be replaced so he can be pushed up the wing, but neither Batch or Dea have the same boot as him.

also who have we picked up? Houli is really the only one we have traded for recently. Thomson, Hislop, and Maric were mids, and Farmer a back pocket. Before that off memory you have to go to Morton (going off memory here, so sorry if I forgot someone).

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

You've over looked the draft / trade and rooking of Nason , Roberts , Taylor , Lawson , Verrier , Webberly and Morris all smalls who don't play inside mid . Add them to the list along with King, Maric and Nahas who are not proficient playing inside mid , whilst Conca and Ellis where considered flankers when drafted and the jury is still well and truly out .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

You've over looked the draft / trade and rooking of Nason , Roberts , Taylor , Lawson , Verrier , Webberly and Morris all smalls who don't play inside mid . Add them to the list along with King, Maric and Nahas who are not proficient playing inside mid , whilst Conca and Ellis where considered flankers when drafted and the jury is still well and truly out .

Firstly you can have outside mids who are not flankers. You said we have too many flankers, outside mids is another issue.

Secondly, forgot Taylor, so thanks for that. Disagree on Conca and Ellis - people tagged them early as HBF, but the plan was always that they would be mids if they developed as hoped. This year has shown that is on track, with both getting some decent time in the middle.

Thirdly, on the smalls, thats another issue, you said we had too many flankers and kept recruiting them. These guys are one of our main deficiencies, which we still haven't really solved. We only have Morris as a small defender, King was reinvented himself as a small forward, and Nahas has shown something in the role. Other than that, every pocket player we have gotten in recent years as failed badly (which is part of the reason Betts used to love us). Reason we kept drafting these guys is because we were desperate for them, and the ones we got kept failing.

I know you want inside mids, but everyone has their preferred focus. Some on here are demanding key defenders, some key forwards, some more ruck options. Until we get more depth, this argument will always occur because we have far too many deficiencies.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Firstly you can have outside mids who are not flankers. You said we have too many flankers, outside mids is another issue.

Secondly, forgot Taylor, so thanks for that. Disagree on Conca and Ellis - people tagged them early as HBF, but the plan was always that they would be mids if they developed as hoped. This year has shown that is on track, with both getting some decent time in the middle.

Thirdly, on the smalls, thats another issue, you said we had too many flankers and kept recruiting them. These guys are one of our main deficiencies, which we still haven't really solved. We only have Morris as a small defender, King was reinvented himself as a small forward, and Nahas has shown something in the role. Other than that, every pocket player we have gotten in recent years as failed badly (which is part of the reason Betts used to love us). Reason we kept drafting these guys is because we were desperate for them, and the ones we got kept failing.

I know you want inside mids, but everyone has their preferred focus. Some on here are demanding key defenders, some key forwards, some more ruck options. Until we get more depth, this argument will always occur because we have far too many deficiencies.

Go through recent sides who have enjoyed successful eras a majority of there list can rotate through the guts , recruiting players who can't is just asking for trouble and wasting spots upon our list . The variation now between an outside mid and a flanker / pocket is not as defined as in previous years .
You can also say we recruited players like Conca and elli and even Houli for that matter , however the fact is they where flankers / purely outside mids who we have tried to change into
Inside mids .

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Go through recent sides who have enjoyed successful eras a majority of there list can rotate through the guts , recruiting players who can't is just asking for trouble and wasting spots upon our list . The variation now between an outside mid and a flanker / pocket is not as defined as in previous years .
You can also say we recruited players like Conca and elli and even Houli for that matter , however the fact is they where flankers / purely outside mids who we have tried to change into
Inside mids .

We needed users of the ball first, we were one of the worst teams in history when it came to executing skills? At least we had a few like Foley and Tuck who could get it

 

[Bojangles17]

Yesterday was the ideal occassion why you would draft mature aged players . We had injuries and we needed matured bodies to take up some slack , not dominate just do their job . They failed and failed terribly badly . Furthermore every year we continue to have players leave mid season . It's not acceptable you can't continue to waste spots upon a list and then expect to have similar depth to other clubs that you are competing against .

Yep im suprised more hasnt been made of this, we have effectively been 3 men down
Heslin
Macdonald
Connors
Tell me that hasnt proved costly when suddenly 6 or so spots open up in the seniors

 

[Dragonss]

I don't think Rendell should be made Drafting Advisor because then there'd be a power struggle between Jackson and Rendell and Jackson will act all arrogant and stuff and not listen to a word Rendell says.

 

[guruisatiger]

I don't think Rendell should be made Drafting Advisor because then there'd be a power struggle between Jackson and Rendell and Jackson will act all arrogant and stuff and not listen to a word Rendell says.

i thiought rendell had already signed with colllingwood because there current recruiter was going to replace walsh as football ops manager at end of year after walsh resigns ???

 

[Dragonss]

i thiought rendell had already signed with colllingwood because there current recruiter was going to replace walsh as football ops manager at end of year after walsh resigns ???

how should i know? im just saying if he was