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[Malifice]

At least one thing is for certain. After the dust settles our club will be better off with out KT.

Still lots to look forward to next year. So many potentially good players to come through.

Im fairly sure penalties wont be as harsh, and you blokes have a good list and a ton of cash.

Although that could also compel the AFL to go overboard and swing the stick harder. If you were Melbourne (and shit), the penalties would be lesser (or swept under the carpet) IMO.

I have a bad feeling about this to be honest.

 

[Smoooothy]

Cultured bastard.

i studied david williamson in year 12 drama. our main performance was The Club

 

[Heafy83]

Might want to look again. We were fined $930,000 (which crippled us financially and barred us from trading players in even should we have had selections to trade for).

Our actual draft penalties were:

• Draft picks No. 1, 2, 31 and 34 from the 2002 National Draft
• All draft picks in the 2003 Preseason Draft
• Our first and second round draft picks in the 2003 National Draft (we finished 15th)

It ended up being picks 1, 2, 5, 21, 31, 34 and all picks (including pick 1) in the '03 PSD.


The years before we had traded in Steven Oreilly in '99 (we gave up our 1st and 2nd rounder at pick 16 and 46) and Corey Mckernan in '01 (again costing us our first and second round pick at 14 and 30).

Effectively our only 1st or 2nd round draft picks (combined) for the 5 years from 99-03 was in '00 when we drafted spuds in Livingston, Sporn and Wiggins.*



OTT penalties plus trading away 1st + 2nd rounders in 99 and 01 and a swathe of retirements came together with a massive fine and an even more massive $8 million white elephant in the grandstand at Prince's Park.

Grab a tape of Carlton matches from 2002-06 and watch the results for yourself.

We werent tanking. We were just that shit.


* I should add the AFL magnanimously allowed us to keep our PP in '03 (Andrew Walker).

Unfortunately your salary cap sanctions coincided with a downward spiral with the club and its form. This is why it hurt you so much and set you back 10 years.

However if the crows are to get similar sanctions it will hurt but no where near as bad as yours. We already have a very strong squad and a lot of relatively talented untried youth. I can't see any sanctions crippling the club liek Carlton and infact I don't see them hurting our premiership chances. Its most likely any players we were to pick up in the next couple of drafts would not contribute to a possible next premiership in the next 2-3 years. It could be when this window closes that these possible sanctions really come home to roost.

The above also scares me. If the AFL want to punish the crows in a way that will really hurt the club they will have to go far beyond what was dished out to Carlton.

 

[Crow-eater]

When he re-signed three years ago, Tippett signed a standard player contract, which includes the words: ‘‘This contract contains all of the terms of the agreement between the parties.’’

He also, like all players, signed a statutory declaration form. It states: ‘‘Neither I nor any associate of the player has directly or indirectly received or had applied any payment, consideration, advantage or other benefit not referred to in the contract, the arrangement or the detail of other payments attached to this statutory declaration.’’

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-twist-in-tippett-probe-20121024-285vi.html

Tippett is in just as much trouble as the club, he can't plead ignorance.

Same article also says the cap breach has nothing to do with Joel. I'll take EQ's word over Rucci

 

[xamol]

You might want to read this to see if it is as solid as it looks http://www.unambitiousus.com/sports/concerning-crows/

Good article.

Fair bit of truth in there!

 

[Vader]

• I was under the impression that Tiprat was contracted until 2010. In 2009, an extension of his contract was negotiated for two additional years, taking it up to 2012.

Your impression is correct.

 

[BUTTON 92]

Im fairly sure penalties wont be as harsh, and you blokes have a good list and a ton of cash.

Although that could also compel the AFL to go overboard and swing the stick harder.

I have a bad feeling about this to be honest.

 

[xamol]

Interesting..

Emma Quayle ‏@emmasq
Adelaide's salary cap issues as reported in The Age today stem from a 2009 email & are not to do with Tippett's brother http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/new-twist-in-tippett-probe-20121024-285vi.html …

 

[Geoffa32]

Carlton were also at the end of their "Window" when it all came down, and had to build a list with those drafts.

We have most of our guys for the assault on the next couple of years already. Even if we are precluded from this years draft we have Crouch in the shed and were only looking to add one or two players anyway in this years drafts anyway.

I suspect we may still be able to participate in the Rookie Drafts?

 

[Vader]

Slightly OT but what are we doing with Laird? Surely he's had way too good a year at SANFL level to be rookied again? Would have thought other clubs would be willing to offer a senior list spot if we can't.

My guess is that they were going to leave him on the rookie list for another year, noting that we already have Crouch, Kerridge, Brown and others fighting for positions in the 22 next year. Those plans may change, depending upon what penalties we cop from the AFL. We may well choose to upgrade him this year if we get booted out of the first round (leaving pick #50 as our first selection).

 

[King Elvis]

The whole sorry saga really makes you wonder why the Crows were so keen to sign him AGAIN this year, and on massive overs. Someone needed to have the balls to say see ya later, you're a good player but not worth the princess factor.

Keeping players like Kurt on contracts like the ones he signed in 09 and was begged to sign this year strip away the fabric of your club, which from the outside seems pretty solid.

This post is 100% accurate.

We bent over backwards to keep the prick last time, put our Club at severe risk to placate him; and he wasn't willing to repay the faith we showed in him?

We should've told him to piss off the moment he started being difficult.

We've been weak and pathetic; why on earth did we let this one guy screw us like this?

I'd like a statement from Sando;

"Happy to see him gone, this issue is from the past structure; we aren't happy with it - and we don't want anybody here who doesn't want to be here. We aren't going to beg people to play for us - It's an honour to play for this footy Club."

 

[Crow-eater]

Guy on the Herald Sun live chat reckons there won't be a conclusion to the investigation till next week some time

 

[King Elvis]

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Kirk Who?

 

[SugarShane]

Strong post from a rookie - I loved you in BioDome!

Munch on some grindaaaaaaaaage, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuddy.

 

[Team DJ]

Good too see you guys finally coming around to the hate of Kurt Tippett.

Only took you 2 years to long.

 

[Shamus75]

Cluching at straws but is it possible the AFC Board didn't know about this?

Chapman made it pretty clear in his interview on 5AA that Trigg came to him 1 hour after arriving back from holidays (and possibly with his tail between his legs and his nuts on a platter IMO) and within 90 minutes they called Vlad at AFL House. I'd bet Chapman blew up, said F**K this, how could we have been so incompetent, we said get the deal done back in 2009, not get the deal done at any cost and then told Trigg that his own job is on the line pending this investigation. Chapman is far too business savy to drop the bomb without actually going through all the proper avenues. More likely to go to the AFL, tell them we've sacked Trigg and any other party that has their name linked to this. We've lost $kurt with no compensation, missed trade week completely this year and surely a suspended sentence is warranted.

 

[Geoffa32]

Good article.

Fair bit of truth in there!

The price we have paid for developing good talent, when clubs in more attractive locations come a knocking with as much (or more) cash than we can offer.

 

[Malifice]

Unfortunately your salary cap sanctions coincided with a downward spiral with the club and its form. This is why it hurt you so much and set you back 10 years.

Totally. We had zero good young players coming through (Fevola excluded). Elliot chased off Hamil to the Saints, and Kouta, Ratten, McKay, Bradley, Sticks and SOS were all either just retired or just about to.

We wound up turning over something like 36 players in two years from the list, and were forced to replace them with recycled players looking for another home (Teauge, Harford, Digby Morell, etc) and rookies.

We got lucky with Carrazzo at pick 2 in the Rooke Draft, and Scotland as a recycled player was also a win. Simpson was a fluke at ND pick 70 odd. Waite was a handy Father/ Son at just the right time. Stevens fell into our laps thanks to Port's reluctance to trade, and Collingwoods stubborness.

We also got lucky with PSD and Rookie draft; Betts, Garlett, Jamison have all been wins. Trade in Judd and 3 pick 1's and we are finally back in buisiness.

You had to live through it to see just how brutal it was.

However if the crows are to get similar sanctions it will hurt but no where near as bad as yours. We already have a very strong squad and a lot of relatively talented untried youth. I can't see any sanctions crippling the club liek Carlton and infact I don't see them hurting our premiership chances. Its most likely any players we were to pick up in the next couple of drafts would not contribute to a possible next premiership in the next 2-3 years. It could be when this window closes that these possible sanctions really come home to roost.

I agree it wont hurt you guys anywhere near as bad. Your list is in far better shape, and financially you guys are sound.

The above also scares me. If the AFL want to punish the crows in a way that will really hurt the club they will have to go far beyond what was dished out to Carlton.

Im leaning that way as well. I think there may be a sizeable punishment coming.

 

[ruscy002]

I wonder if coming clean on this one has given us a get out of jail free card from several other dodgy off the books agreements...

 

[Vader]

Lets not forget that if Kurt was a party to these deals (and it appears as if he was), hes in some serious shit too.

Would Sydney want to trade for a player that might end up deregistered for a year?

Possibly even more trouble than Blucher, given that it was apparently his father who was the driving force behind this secondary contract.

 

[JP Sauce]

Good too see you guys finally coming around to the hate of Kurt Tippett.

Only took you 2 years to long.

Slightly different reasons too.

 

[Vader]

We all suspected that the Crows paid for Joel to be playing in SA, but we also thought that if that was the case that it would have been ratified by the AFL.

The incompetence behind this whole saga is astounding and surely someone has to take the fall for this. The club will loose all respect should they go into 2013 with the same administration.

It was fairly widely reported at the time that Adelaide had paid for his move from Qld to Adelaide. I'm not sure that Adelaide have actually paid for him to be playing in SA - just the removal costs & the costs of setting up a new home.

I could be wrong - very wrong.

 

[HARKER]

Carlton were also at the end of their "Window" when it all came down, and had to build a list with those drafts.

We have most of our guys for the assault on the next couple of years already. Even if we are precluded from this years draft we have Crouch in the shed and were only looking to add one or two players anyway in this years drafts anyway.

Not sure how that makes you feel any better.

Let's hope that for Adelaide's sake, that all this is not quite as bad as is being suggested by the media.

 

[Smoooothy]

It was fairly widely reported at the time that Adelaide had paid for his move from Qld to Adelaide. I'm not sure that Adelaide have actually paid for him to be playing in SA - just the removal costs & the costs of setting up a new home.

I could be wrong - very wrong.

i was under the impression they were paying his accomodation too

 

[Malifice]

Will be severe. As in not just a 5 figure fine. Expect a solid six figures, and a pick or two as a ball park. Tippett also to cop a whack including probable deregistering or a heavy fine.

They stitched us up a million bucks and picks 1, 2, 5, 21, 31, 34 and a years ban from the PSD when we had pick 1.

You wont cop anywhere near that. But it wont be a slap on the wrist either.