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[BACCS]

headache1, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe you wouldn't have burnt down the club if Tippett left in 2009. Very easy to be calm about it all as hindsight kings.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

So you're suggesting that pick 23 in this years draft, would have held the same currency as a Band 2 compensation pick issued in 2010, which could be traded or used up until 2015. You do realise we used one of these picks as part of the deal to land Brad Crouch don't you?

Again youre ignoring important factors.

Im suggesting that Pick 23 in this years draft AND having Tippett play for us for 2 extra years is more valuable than you seem to be suggesting.

You do realise that he nearly got us into a GF this year dont you?

He's a player that at least 3 clubs appear to value at north of $700k/season... We didnt win a GF in 2011 or 2012, but how could anyone have known that in 2009?

And FWIW Nostradamus had no better ability to predict the future than you me or any other mug on the street, so using him in your examples also doesnt help you.

 

[headache1]

headache1, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe you wouldn't have burnt down the club if Tippett left in 2009. Very easy to be calm about it all as hindsight kings.

If Trigg had said we couldn't keep Tippett because his father and manager were asking us for conditions that we could not meet under AFL rules, I most certainly wouldn't have. I've said this many times throughout the whole saga.

 

[FR0GGY]

headache1, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe you wouldn't have burnt down the club if Tippett left in 2009. Very easy to be calm about it all as hindsight kings.

Why would people burn the club down if they had come out an told us the truth, that we were being shafted and being asked for ridiculous clauses and financial gains from the tippett camp? Surely that would have been a better option, than to go down the path they chose to.

 

[jenny61_99]

Of course I would have rathered we kept Tippett, but we were never in danger of losing him for absolutely nothing.

He would have been picked up by Gold Coast as one of their uncontracted player signings in that period. I believe the offer was there. We were then at the discretion of the AFL as to what level of compensation we got. At the time - in 2009 - this was a headline: THE AFL has settled on compensation criteria for clubs whose players are poached by the Gold Coast, but will keep them secret. We didn't know WHAT the hell we would get, or how they would come to that conclusion. I can imagine the Tippett camp agreed to sign, but then at the last minute Tippett senior starts making all these demands, we could see the possibility of losing him for who knows what if GC signed him now, or at the end of 2012 for nothing, as we thought GC would still more than likely be bottom or thereabouts, so there was a very real danger he would just walk through to them in the PSD for nothing if we didn't have a minimum level of compensation agreed to.

 

[Sanders]

Going to be money well spent if we don't lose draft picks, keep our reputation in tact and stay competitive for the next five years.

Agreed. That's the idea.

I was surprised at just how much.

 

[Sanders]

So people do realise that Trigg didn't knowingly enter into a "illegal" agreement in 2009?

given to date the AFL aren't even sure if it is one.

Is there anything to realise?

I can't see how there can be any doubt it was illegal at the time - what am I missing?

 

[headache1]

Again youre ignoring important factors.

Im suggesting that Pick 23 in this years draft AND having Tippett play for us for 2 extra years is more valuable than you seem to be suggesting.

You do realise that he nearly got us into a GF this year dont you?

He's a player that at least 3 clubs appear to value at north of $700k/season... We didnt win a GF in 2011 or 2012, but how could anyone have known that in 2009?

And FWIW Nostradamus had no better ability to predict the future than you me or any other mug on the street, so using him in your examples also doesnt help you.

Then perhaps you should have just said that, instead of trying to say that pick 23 is in any way comparable to a Band 2 compensation pick. Having Bock playing for us could have been quite valuable over the last two years as well, but I guess we'll never know.

As for the Nostradamus reference, it's quite obviously a turn of phrase. Point stands.

 

[Sanders]

headache1, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe you wouldn't have burnt down the club if Tippett left in 2009. Very easy to be calm about it all as hindsight kings.

there would have been nothing anyone could do. No one blamed the club for losing bock or geelong for losing ablett

Compensation was a bit trickier.

People would have been angry at losing him, not sure it would have been clubs fault?

 

[jenny61_99]

Agreed. That's the idea.

I was surprised at just how much.

My understanding it was $14k per day? Still not cheap by any account. And Caro Wilsons suggestion that the adjournment happened because the Club didn't have faith in either Trigg or Harper so they had to hire their own representation is just laughable! She's just bloody making stuff up. All four lawyers have been hired by the Club to act on behalf of the Club, each focussing on the individual charges.

 

[FR0GGY]

A very good source told me we have gone for the very best and the cost is near $20k per day - and that they are working every angle

Going to be very expensive if we lose, added to a big fine

Im going to see one tomorrow, hope hes not the very best.... at charging

 

[scottwade]

But if Trigg had had the discussion with blucher saying this was no longer an option and blucher agreed, why would he have even had to worry about it? You all criticize him for going overseas for his 50th birthday when "he knew this was going to go down" when he actually didn't even think it was in play.

Actions to date would tend to indicate that Blucher was of the opinion that the 'trade agreement' was still in force leading up to the latest trade period and given that it is suggested the 'trade agreement' was in writing and if that were the case one would hope from Trigg's point of view that any cancellation of the contract would be supported in writing from Blucher.

 

[jenny61_99]

Is there anything to realise?

I can't see how there can be any doubt it was illegal at the time - what am I missing?

Common sense?

 

[headache1]

He would have been picked up by Gold Coast as one of their uncontracted player signings in that period. I believe the offer was there. We were then at the discretion of the AFL as to what level of compensation we got. At the time - in 2009 - this was a headline: THE AFL has settled on compensation criteria for clubs whose players are poached by the Gold Coast, but will keep them secret. We didn't know WHAT the hell we would get, or how they would come to that conclusion. I can imagine the Tippett camp agreed to sign, but then at the last minute Tippett senior starts making all these demands, we could see the possibility of losing him for who knows what if GC signed him now, or at the end of 2012 for nothing, as we thought GC would still more than likely be bottom or thereabouts, so there was a very real danger he would just walk through to them in the PSD for nothing if we didn't have a minimum level of compensation agreed to.

I thought it was kept a secret too, but according to some in here, we attached a 2nd round pick to his agreeent as this is what the AFL valued him at through their compensation formula.

 

[Sanders]

My understanding it was $14k per day? Still not cheap by any account. And Caro Wilsons suggestion that the adjournment happened because the Club didn't have faith in either Trigg or Harper so they had to hire their own representation is just laughable! She's just bloody making stuff up. All four lawyers have been hired by the Club to act on behalf of the Club, each focussing on the individual charges.

Very close to horses mouth, its near $20k

Caro's line was fair - there is a potential conflict between all of their interests; that's what she is saying that it can't be guaranteed everyone's horses will be lined up in a row at all times

 

[bjn1960]

Going to be money well spent if we don't lose draft picks, keep our reputation in tact and stay competitive for the next five years.

No matter how positive the outcome, even total exoneration - our reputation will unjustly be tainted, particularly in Vic.

 

[Southerntakeover]

headache1, you are kidding yourself if you don't believe you wouldn't have burnt down the club if Tippett left in 2009. Very easy to be calm about it all as hindsight kings.

I dont understand why people seem to think that decisions cannot be assessed in hindsight.

Most decent assessments are based upon results.

 

[Sanders]

Actions to date would tend to indicate that Blucher was of the opinion that the 'trade agreement' was still in force leading up to the latest trade period and given that it is suggested the 'trade agreement' was in writing and if that were the case one would hope from Trigg's point of view that any cancellation of the contract would be supported in writing from Blucher.

Exactly!

if we have mutual agreement in writing you would want mutual cancellation in writing

 

[SpeciousArgument]

No matter how positive the outcome, even total exoneration - our reputation will unjustly be tainted, particularly on BF

EFA

 

[Sanders]

Common sense?

That seems to be in short supply around here so its no wonder

Given this new air of triumph can you share with me what has changed?

Seriously I'm not sure what these new developments are that everyone is celebrating

 

[Southerntakeover]

Seriously Jenny isn't the only one defending Trigg, and by doing so doesn't mean that she has to have a bias in her opinion.

I dont think its any great secret at this point. Jenny's friends with the bloke, and will defend him. (feel free to correct me if im wrong Jenny). I dont really intend to attack her for it- its an admirable trait to defend one's friends. I'm just saying that she should perhaps lay off the accusation of bias towards others.

Im just thankful im spared having to defend the great man. The media lost me when they went after the Adelaide Football Club Captain of the woooooooooooorld.

 

[jenny61_99]

Actions to date would tend to indicate that Blucher was of the opinion that the 'trade agreement' was still in force leading up to the latest trade period and given that it is suggested the 'trade agreement' was in writing and if that were the case one would hope from Trigg's point of view that any cancellation of the contract would be supported in writing from Blucher.

We don't know that it isn't in writing, but I suspect it is the mistake Trigg has made in all of this.

 

[BACCS]

If Trigg had said we couldn't keep Tippett because his father and manager were asking us for conditions that we could not meet under AFL rules, I most certainly wouldn't have. I've said this many times throughout the whole saga.

Haha, yeah dude, like anyone involved would go public with stuff like that. Get a grip of reality and the situation at the time. You weren't here in 2009, but mate, this board would have gone into a bigger meltdown that the current one. Stop being delusional that the public pressure wasn't a big factor in going all out to get him to stay.

 

[jenny61_99]

I dont think its any great secret at this point. Jenny's friends with the bloke, and will defend him. (feel free to correct me if im wrong Jenny). I dont really intend to attack her for it- its an admirable trait to defend one's friends. I'm just saying that she should perhaps lay off the accusation of bias towards others.

Im just thankful im spared having to defend the great man. The media lost me when they went after the Adelaide Football Club Captain of the woooooooooooorld.

Can you translate that last bit for me??

And thank you. I see your point re bias and will try to reign it in.

 

[bjn1960]

My understanding it was $14k per day? Still not cheap by any account. And Caro Wilsons suggestion that the adjournment happened because the Club didn't have faith in either Trigg or Harper so they had to hire their own representation is just laughable! She's just bloody making stuff up. All four lawyers have been hired by the Club to act on behalf of the Club, each focussing on the individual charges.

$14k was for the first QC, now there are four. Cheaper by the handfull.