Tippett's Gone - READ RULES BEFORE POSTING

[Johnny Rutten]

Not much of a secret arrangement was it? We've been hearing rumours of its existence for nearly 2 years. Someone obviously couldn't keep their mouth shut.

 

[Heafy83]

Have the AFC admitted there was a compensation clause (ie 2nd round pick) in this gentlemens agreement?

If so can someone please post me an article with them doing so.

To my knowledge we have admitted to the existence of a gentlemen's agreement and the fact it went as far as saying we will try and get Tippett to the team of his choice as best we could, but not to the 2nd round pick that has been thrown around.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

It makes you wonder, doesnt it, why Blucher was so public about the fact that AFC should honour its agreement (or words to that effect) at the beginning of trade month. Was he that naiive, or was his view that there was no problem having that kind of an arrangement? Surely Velocity would have to ratify any agreement made by one of their agents? Perhaps they got some legal opinion? All very curious...

i wonder if all parties have been blindsided by the illiegal nature of this arrangement. Maybe the penny dropped a few weeks back when the big man andrew D said himself that the rumours of the clause were wrong because anything like that in a contract would not be approved by the AFL in the first place. Triggy who have dropped his bagguette and jumped on first plane back.

 

[TheTonic]

The more I think about this the more I think Sydney are up to their knees in poo as well.

This is how I see it:

• Blucher told Sydney about the agreement.
• Sydney went after Tippett with a large backended contract.
• Sydney know they don't have to offer anymore then pick 23 yet they are still bundling in White.
• Why? Because they can't afford Tippett without freeing up salary.
• They know they can't get Tippett in the PSD because his contract is heavily backended and as a result they literally can't do anything to get this trade done.
• The Crows knowing all the above have gone to the AFL as a last resort.

Also, doesn't the CEO of Sydney's wife work for velocity sports? or sister or something?

 

[jenny61_99]

Tippett was 22 and kicked 55 goals in 2009. He hasn't reached those heights since. Was well and truly worth a much higher pick or picks. 2nd round pick was nowhere near fair compensation at the time. Unbelievably stupid by AFC.

Yes I'd forgotten his one golden year.

 

[Vader]

Just wondering on what information you are drawing these conclusions? You seem rather definate.

As I have said before, fairly clearly, most of it is guesswork. A lot of it though, is based on precedents that the AFL has set in the past. To be fair, I did say that it was a "likely outcome" - nowhere have I stated that this is a definite outcome, or certain to happen. I've been very careful in covering my backside this time around, given the (reasonable) criticism that I frequently post opinion as fact.

Both Chalmers & Buckley tried to tamper with the draft, with the object of getting to Collingwood. Both were banned from going to Collingwood for at least 12 months.

Given that Adelaide benefited from this contract by obtaining Tippett's services for an additional 2 years, it makes sense that the AFL would do whatever it can to prevent Adelaide from further benefiting from this illegal contract. That means preventing Adelaide from trading Tippett. They also want to prevent Tippett from benefiting. Thus, the decision to de-register him. This would result in Adelaide losing him for nothing and prevents Tippett from benefiting by being traded to his preferred destination.

Melbourne breached the salary cap when they stole Jeff White from Freo. They forfeited their #5 draft pick, which was given straight to Freo. As I see it, there is no victim to Adelaide's crime, so I expect that the AFL will just confiscate our 1st round pick.

 

[lincsPJ]

My god i f***ing hate that word

so do i. it was the flavour of 2012. like "polarising" was the flavour of 2011.

maybe a fitting end to this ordeal is that no one gets anything and tippett is forced to play at the sharks for a year.

 

[Draft Bored]

Have the AFC admitted there was a compensation clause (ie 2nd round pick) in this gentlemens agreement?

If so can someone please post me an article with them doing so.

To my knowledge we have admitted to the existence of a gentlemen's agreement and the fact it went as far as saying we will try and get Tippett to the team of his choice as best we could, but not to the 2nd round pick that has been thrown around.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tamper-affair-20121023-283kp.html

 

[SpeciousArgument]

So i've read the past 10 or pages of this thread, and still only have a vague idea of whats going on

If someone could write a dot point form of "The Tippett situation, for dummies" it would be very much appricicated

According to Emma Quayle:

The crows did make a deal in 2009 for a trade to KT's club of choice
Stupidly gave it to him in writing
didnt lodge it with the AFL (which is a big no-no)
Last week Trigg went to the AFL to come clean
Amounts to draft tampering which could lead to Tippetts deregistration, Crows draft sanctions and fines, Blucher hung drawn and quartered.

 

[Cap]

the 2nd rounder is still an assumption.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

so do i. it was the flavour of 2012. like "polarising" was the flavour of 2011.

maybe a fitting end to this ordeal is that no one gets anything and tippett is forced to play at the sharks for a year.

Just occurred to me that Tippett could sue velocity for the $4mil he now might not get from sydney, and be able to surf all he wants.

 

[Damp Squarie]

ive been following every post all day, go do something else for a couple of hours and come back to 10 pages of this.

Its crazy isnt it ...Ive got a knurl mark on my finger from my wheelmouse.
The shit has hit the fan s
If Lance Armstrong lived in Australia at the moment he would be one happy man.

 

[feenix67]

It may come from my employment in an extremely highly regulated industry due to past events of this nature. But in our industry, the client has FULL entitlement to have any penalties, losses etc laid on the advisers head as per APRA regulation. Even if the advice acted on is signed off by the client and carried out as advised, if it is illegal, it falls entierly on the adviser who has to FULLY re-imberse the client. Even if the client makes the request, if we advise them, we're up for it.

May just be my industry, because the governing bodies that apply to my industry, a somewhat similar industry, are different to the governing bodies of the sports management industry. But it's as small as not having disclosed a refernce document to the point where we get rolled.

Surely the AFLPA code of conduct would hold the management to fault? It's not the case where this will reach federal or state law, it's an in house issue with the AFL and it's own governing bodies, which seperates this from the issues we face when dealing with agents we employ.

The agent hasn't done anything wron as per federal law, or state law, but AFL law. I don't have access to the player rep code of conduct laws though so it's all speculation.

Agree completely on Blutcher being in poo regardless of the poo Tippett finds himself in.

Vlad's eating curry.

Im in the financial services industry too mate, have been for 25 years, and dealt with APRA directly on many, many compliance and regulatory issues, consulted to many FP's on FSR Act implementation etc etc, and I can categorically say you're not correct here. Sure, there are implications for advisers for providing incorrect advice - ASIC implications not APRA - but clients do not have impunity because they hired an adviser. They do have civil recourse, obviously, but not blanket impunity.

In reference to your bolded statement, this is also incorrect. Blucher made an agreement which he should have known could never be legally enforced. It's not a code of conduct issue, merely an issue of incompetence.

 

[jenny61_99]

Gosh. I know you are emotional but really is personal abuse called for? It was a valid question after an accusation was made.

So from your answer I can deduce there is no proof. Zero. Nada. Zip.

Thanks



What was? Draft tampering? A written clause? What? All I knew is there was a handshake on helping him "get home" or some such waffle.

I am keen to see evidence. Feel free to toss some ad homien attacks. Seems par for the course.

Insider trading at the very least!

 

[beagle2]

I may be wrong, time will tell, but I suspect that Adelaide has 'fessed up' so that it can:

A) minimise damage to the club from AFL. It is not going to escape punishment, but in doing so it;
B) forces the AFL to punish Yippett for being a c@nt; and
C) it forces the AFL to punish Voldamort for being a c@nt.

If A) occurs and B) and C) do not, then the AFL will look like fools.

Any which way, Rucci still looks like the biggest fool of all. 'Right in front of me!' Suck it up you hack mofo.

Looks more likely that the AFL stopped the deal when it was lodged friday as it was obviously not fair
Thats when Adelaide had to fess up Up till then it was take the hit to hide it

 

[amer]

Yes I'd forgotten his one golden year.

It was a bronze year. 47 goals in the minor round is not many at all. 65 and we're thinking yeah he's legit. A 50 goal season is a mediocre high for a forward.

No question his trade value is high because he's a monster contested mark and upside remains, not to mention the sort of coin he's attracting. But the people rating him ahead of Walker....boggles the mind.

 

[Shuffler]

We'll lose him for nothing, when he gets deregistered (which I'm almost certain will happen). The good news is that he should be banned from playing for Sydney in 2013 - given the Chalmers precedent.

The AFL tend to make stuff up as they go though.
I can only see one loser out of this and it wont be the team in the state that the AFL is pouring money into.

 

[relapse]

the 2nd rounder is still an assumption.

Emma's article seems to suggest that the information that the Crows presented to the AFL confirms that it was a second round pick.

 

[Heafy83]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/crows-tamper-affair-20121023-283kp.html

Ok so the media are assuming the 2nd round pick is in the agreement. There are no quotes of the AFC admitting to it.

 

[arsene wenger1]

So if trigg disintegrate return from overseas and stop the white trade would we be in the clear of eligidly draft tampering....has he in a way dobbed us in

 

[Vader]

Tippett won't be de-registered. He can pelase complete ignorance to the rules as a player who employs a professional to take care of these matters. His current 'contract' technicaly remains in force.

No chance of this - none, nada, zilch, diddly-squat, zip, zero.

 

[PaulyShore98]

youre assuming we still have a player to trade. if he's derefistered do we get a compo pick?

One thing is true - someone is going to get 'refisted' here, it's just a matter of who, and how hard.

 

[Lozza71]

I think the de-registration is inevitable. The inability to specify minimum contract terms is just flat out vindictiveness on my behalf. I don't seriously expect the AFL to follow through on that (though I would dearly love them to).

Adelaide too will cop the stick. Firstly, they will lose their highest paid player for nothing when he is deregistered. We'll also cop something in the way of draft bans and fines.

There's plenty of blame to go around here - and I expect all participants involved to be thoroughly disciplined.

I just hope $kirt likes wearing orange.

The AFL will not deregister him for 2013 imo. The money we are talking for Tippett he would take the AFL to court and we all know the AFL does not want the draft system etc anywhere near there.

 

[relapse]

Ok so the media are assuming the 2nd round pick is in the agreement. There are no quotes of the AFC admitting to it.

Of course not because Trigg has been publicly trying to deny it for a year now

 

[Danoz]

From a quick glance over the AFL Player Rules I can see at least 10 paragraphs that one or all of Adelaide, Tippet/Blucher and Sydney are in breach of. Not gonna list them now, but just have a quick look at the contents.

Some serious shit will come out of this.