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No, but I'm wondering why I've never heard how so many smoke apparently...
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Tobacco Tax - who does it really hurt?
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No, but I'm wondering why I've never heard how so many smoke apparently...
JoseMourinho
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Exactly like your avatar says
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Work in a high stress low pay enviroment like health and see for yourself
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The average wage in South Australia is 39k if you include the wages of everyone who is working, not some obscure figure which shows a full time wage.
For example, the average wage in Aged Care is 60k. How can you earn that on a base rate of $19ph?
For example, the average wage in Aged Care is 60k. How can you earn that on a base rate of $19ph?
Kynge of Begrem
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out of interest, where do you get your stats from?
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As someone who currently sells tobacco for a living (work at a liquor + grocery store) I find that it simply leaves people spending absurd amounts of money on cigarettes when they can't really afford it. The area I work in has a pretty good cross section of people, but still has a large number of working class types, particularly in that older age bracket. Obviously it's all anecdotal but I can't imagine it being much different elsewhere. I struggle to recall anyone who has quit for financial reasons. The ones who have quit will still come in and spend a fair amount on a decent bottle of wine, good food etc.
Many whinge whenever there's a price increase, mention giving up but rarely see anyone follow through.
The stats of course are going to show a decrease in smoking. I don't see how people can just relate it to the tax so easily. Reality is smoking has become unattractive. My generation has grown up being absolutely drilled by parents, grandparents, the government ads, school etc about how much of a campaigner smoking can be for your health. People like me who have seen a grandparent rot away thanks to tobacco (with doctors being able to attribute it to the habit) can make a much more informed decision about smoking.
It's no different to a drug addiction. Unless you're a very determined individual you're going to struggle to get off them.
From my experience it's only leaving young apprentices, the unemployed, bogans who are shit with money in the first place and drug addicts with even less money to spend on other things because they're blowing anywhere from 80-180 dollars a week smoking.
The only thing it has done is made budget brands like Rothmans, Bond Street and JPS far more attractive options to the average punter while well-known brands like Winfield, Peter Jackson, Marlboro and a few others struggle to be what they once were.
Many whinge whenever there's a price increase, mention giving up but rarely see anyone follow through.
The stats of course are going to show a decrease in smoking. I don't see how people can just relate it to the tax so easily. Reality is smoking has become unattractive. My generation has grown up being absolutely drilled by parents, grandparents, the government ads, school etc about how much of a campaigner smoking can be for your health. People like me who have seen a grandparent rot away thanks to tobacco (with doctors being able to attribute it to the habit) can make a much more informed decision about smoking.
It's no different to a drug addiction. Unless you're a very determined individual you're going to struggle to get off them.
From my experience it's only leaving young apprentices, the unemployed, bogans who are shit with money in the first place and drug addicts with even less money to spend on other things because they're blowing anywhere from 80-180 dollars a week smoking.
The only thing it has done is made budget brands like Rothmans, Bond Street and JPS far more attractive options to the average punter while well-known brands like Winfield, Peter Jackson, Marlboro and a few others struggle to be what they once were.
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It's purely anecdotal, but I can count 4 people I know (including myself) straight off the top of my head that have quit smoking this year so far, largely or entirely due to the rising costs (one was having a dart after footy on Saturday though, so don't know if he's relapsed or just had a cheeky one with a beer).
Personally, it got to the stage where I had to choose between cigarettes or weed because I couldn't justify the amount I was spending on both - easy choice really.
That said, I still know a lot of people who still smoke who want to quit but haven't managed to - the cost is really hurting some of them.
Personally, it got to the stage where I had to choose between cigarettes or weed because I couldn't justify the amount I was spending on both - easy choice really.
That said, I still know a lot of people who still smoke who want to quit but haven't managed to - the cost is really hurting some of them.
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yeah, anyone that points to the tax (or any other blunt instrument) as being the sole reason for declining smoking rates is way off. but it forms part of the whole alongside all the other measures.
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Its always an economical decision. $20+ ( I don't even know anymore) $1 a cigarette apparently. Gee that 10c I spent at school would be a great investment.
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Most people, including Bill Shorten, will claim that smoking causes cancer and if we can stop people smoking the health bill will diminish and people will live longer. Um... if they live longer the health bill will increase! It’s the aged who are responsible for the health bill blowout, so why not save a fortune and allow them to die sooner?
Because smokers don't just drop dead sooner; they get very ill earlier in their lives. Then their illness drags them through the health system at a time where they would otherwise be working thus paying tax and contributing to the economy.
Kynge of Begrem
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Get your qualifications from Hollywood Upstairs Medical School did you?
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
Must admit price was a major reason I stopped too. And thats when Styvos went fron $10 -12. I think they're about $22 a pack of 20 now, arent they?
Geeze, at a dollar per gasper, you'd really want to stop and savour them. I used to smoke 50 per day!
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
Those pictures on the packet are pretty effective too. I reckon the one thing that really sent me over the edge to quit once and for all was that picture of the person with mouth cancer.
I'm with you mate, ignore or the "facts" they just further sell non smokers to believe the tax is a good thing, vaping hasn't even been considered in the "facts" the only damage it's done is the cigarette companies who sell higher priced cigarettes.
As an ex 1 year CASUAL smoker (2-8) a day smoking is the hardest thing to quit, I've been off them for a year and whenever someone lights one up in front of me I think about having one.
I have 3 friends who are long time smokers they used to smoke Marlborough red/Winfield Blues or BnH Classics and the only thing they have done is started being Bond Street Red's 40's which is a far cheaper smoke, two of these friends started vaping but still smoke on the side as vaping is not as satisfying is lighting a cigarette.
And the anti advertising for smoking does not work, the packaging does not work, hold up a packaging to any smoker and ask them "what do you see when you see this" they will respond with "A pack of cigarettes".
my i ask why you stopped smoking casually?
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they could trying upgrading their gear.
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yeah i don't get the subohm cloud chasers, but each their own i guess. as long as you have the nico at the right strength, i don't really notice the difference vs cigs, other than it tastes better and feels cleaner.
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Maths, 20% of workers earn above the average, 80% earn under. In SA we have a huge underemployment problem. If you have a real job you can expect to be on 18-22 dollars an hour. If you are a government 'worker' you would be on far more. The average SA worker will work between 20-30 hours a week.
In aged care the award is $19 an hour for 38k a year full time pay. The average is around the 60k mark because of managers on 200k+.
is there any stats on moderated cigarette consumption? i probably smoke about 30 cigarettes a week - that's 6 days of a bout three a day and then one big day of 15 or so. most stats that define 'smoker' seem to reference the old 'pack a day' thing, the ones that i find rarely define what constitutes 'smoker' - other than someone who self-identifies as one. as distinct from alcohol consumption stats, where it's not a dichotomy of 'drinker' or 'non-drinker'.
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Why do you smoke, the taste or the image?
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So far in this thread we have found out that the majority of workers are earning around 40k a year (which crazily enough many people are completely oblivious too). Raising tobacco taxes will hurt the working class and will support the already huge black market tobacco trade. People who are making these bad policy choices are completely out of touch with normal people
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