Live Event Toby Greene fronts the tribunal - Suspension appeal

[davemc_lions]

Be honest, you would love him at your club, grub or not. Also The Lions 3 peat team wasn't exactly a team of choir boys either.

Scott brothers where like the Krays. Those hits on Reiwoldt shoulder not something you be proud of now.
Go back a decade before and it was worse
and I watched footy in the 70s and 80's.

There is a line and now we all PC things need to stay on the clean side.

Honestly no problems going for man in play.
Hand in the face what is he doing .. he will accidentally take a eye out and then no one will defend him.
He getting close and not like he watching what his hand is doing.

 

[Colonial]

he will accidentally take a eye out and then no one will defend him.
He getting close and not like he watching what his hand is doing.

Could say the same thing about bumps going wrong causing elbows to the head.

 

[davemc_lions]

Could say the same thing about bumps going wrong causing elbows to the head.

As a GWS supporter you have any idea why he be doing this?
Seems pre meditated as 2 weeks in a row best player from the other team.
Comes over the top and hands in the face.

 

[Colonial]

As a GWS supporter you have any idea why he be doing this?
Seems pre meditated as 2 weeks in a row best player from the other team.
Comes over the top and hands in the face.

No idea. Trying to be an annoying bugger is my guess, not out to injure at all.

As I've said elsewhere, just like the leg out marking action, he isnt the only 1 to do it.

Bont did it to lids in last week's final (it's what caused Tobes to over react and come in).
Have seen it in other games as well from players.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Except there’s zero proof he eye gauged Neale. There barely looks like contact apart from a brush let alone fully going in and eye gauging the bloke. I get you don’t like him and don’t want him facing your team after being best on on the weekend, but maybe look at it objectively.

Zero proof on the video that he did more than touch his face with zero force. Unless you have access to other footage...?

My opinion about what Greene did to Bont wasn't impacted by who I follow last week, and it isn't again this week. I do admit to being prejudiced against violent little pricks with a history of off-field and on-field assaults, however. So you've got me there.

Greene is not on trial - the burden of proof is not 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And the charge is just unreasonable contact to the face, not eye gouging.

We've seen two disturbing incidents in consecutive weeks, and the rules are flexible enough to sanction a player for it. Eye gouging is such a potentially devastating offence, that they were smart enough to add the 'contact to the face' definition so that video evidence doesn't have to be 100% conclusive that they were eye gouging.

Greene will get off without doubt, so I really have less of a dog in this fight than you think. I'm not even contemplating that he won't play. What I'm worried about is that if they sign off on eye gouging two weeks in a row that some poor player is going to suffer the consequences down the road. It won't be a smart decision to let him get away with it.

 

[Colonial]

My opinion about what Greene did to Bont wasn't impacted by who I follow last week, and it isn't again this week. I do admit to being prejudiced against violent little pricks with a history of off-field and on-field assaults, however. So you've got me there.

Greene is not on trial - the burden of proof is not 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And the charge is just unreasonable contact to the face, not eye gouging.

We've seen two disturbing incidents in consecutive weeks, and the rules are flexible enough to sanction a player for it. Eye gouging is such a potentially devastating offence, that they were smart enough to add the 'contact to the face' definition so that video evidence doesn't have to be 100% conclusive that they were eye gouging.

Greene will get off without doubt, so I really have less of a dog in this fight than you think. I'm not even contemplating that he won't play. What I'm worried about is that if they sign off on eye gouging two weeks in a row that some poor player is going to suffer the consequences down the road. It won't be a smart decision to let him get away with it.

So you are saying you should be able to charge and convict someone on zero evidence, or just on history?

That'll end well.

 

[davemc_lions]

The Bont one was not near the eye he pulled the guys hair and rubbed his face. not a good look although 50-50 if a week
depends where the moon is with the tribunal.
Neale one is getting close cannot see as a arm is in the way with footage. Neale not snitching.
Neale did not have problems seeing, so unless Greene says his teeth chattered I say he will get off.
BUT..
Is he stupid doing it two weeks in a row. Yes.
Makes AFL look stupid.. so who knows.
Will there be a rule change like the studs up.. maybe
Hard to read tribunal.

Nic Nat gets off grabbing someone on the throat and throwing them into a fence as they pulled his hair.
McGovern gets a week bumping someone into a fence during play as he got concussed.
Outcome is a lot more now then what the outcome could be

I think he should pull his head in. no idea what he up to with his hands.. Big game lots of cameras just stupid.
He is a good footballer with the ball in hand just no idea why he is pushing his luck.

 

[Chief]

No evidence he gouged. Fine with a fine.

 

[Chief]

The Bont one was not near the eye he pulled the guys hair and rubbed his face. not a good look although 50-50 if a week

 

[Arctic fox]

Holding a Candlelight Vigil at Flagstaff Gardens from 5 pm tonight for a #FreeToby peaceful rally. All are welcome.

Going to be cold tonight. I suppose all 6 of you can huddle together.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Going to be cold tonight. I suppose all 6 of you can huddle together.

There is always one

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Which is why eye gouging is being improperly bandied about in reaction to these incidents. By all reports from players involved none have claimed to have their eyes gouged. Contact across the face including the eye region is what’s been confirmed. He’s conscious of what he’s doing so it would be extraordinary for him to be actually trying to gouge people’s eyes. He’s getting in their faces, quite literally, but his intent is clearly to niggle and annoy and provoke rather than to cause injury. Kind of like a flash bang.

I get that is not something most people want to see either way. Players in the past just worked on doing it subtly and as long as people didn’t have to confront it in their news feed they couldn’t have cared less. But as vision across the ground gets better and better no amount of subtlety will let players go under the radar with these things.

What I don’t understand is if you’re so against the niggle why do you need to ham it up by calling it murder? Just own the fact that you don’t like the niggle and want it stamped out of the game.

As I posted above, the tribunal doesn't need to find him guilty of eye gouging. The rule has literally been designed to sanction any dodgy looking contact to the face, because the framers were smart enough to realise that any intentional contact in the eye region is very dangerous. You just shouldn't be intentionally shoving your fingers in someone's face, and that's the rule, not 'eye gouging'.

Eye gouging doesn't necessarily mean that the intent is to rip someone's eye socket or try to blind someone permanently, which some people think it means. Poking someone in the eye intentionally is considered eye gouging. I'm not hamming it up, I'm just using an appropriate term. You may not be intending to seriously hurt someone by eye gouging them and you won't necessarily blind someone but the potential for such serious damage is why it is still such an inherently malicious act.

I'm someone that enjoys the physical side of the game but if you think eye gouging of any form is acceptable 'niggle' then it's probably not worth engaging in any serious discussion with you, because you either possess very low intelligence or have a few screws loose. There's a reason why no eye gouging along with no biting were the only two rules in the 'no rules' era of the early UFCs (Even groin shots were banned in the first one but allowed later).

 

[Yidaki]

 

[Demontim275]

I also rest them on on my ears, sometimes they’re on my head. Irrelevant.

eye region - Google Search

Lol literally the next option down has the nose in it

 

[Young Gun #6]

I'm worried about is that if they sign off on eye gouging two weeks in a row that some poor player is going to suffer the consequences down the road.

 

[davemc_lions]

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ok did not see that in the footage I saw.. so yes should of went last week.

 

[Chief]

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"Not for want of trying.... "

 

[davemc_lions]

Also sometimes it becomes the would you like some 12 year olds do it in kids footy.
Pretty sure we not like kids copying as they think its ticked off 2 weeks in a row.

 

[juss]

Hearsay. Not admissible.

I meant if they called in Neale, and asked him directly obviously, not Fagan lol.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

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Yeah mate. No player has ever covered for another player in tribunal history. Case closed.

 

[Daniels Riches]

This bloke is pure scum. Absolute filth. A dog of the highest order. Weak as pi$$. Has the most punchable head in the game. There is no way he should have been able to play on the weekend.
A very, very talented footballer, but a very, very ordinary person. I wonder if this POS would have the balls to eye gouge Barry Hall? Payback is always around the corner Toby. I hope the karma bus runs you over and then backs over you again for good measure you dirty little rodent.


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[Colonial]

This bloke is pure scum. Absolute filth. A dog of the highest order. Weak as pi$$. Has the most punchable head in the game. There is no way he should have been able to play on the weekend.
A very, very talented footballer, but a very, very ordinary person. I wonder if this POS would have the balls to eye gouge Barry Hall? Payback is always around the corner Toby. I hope the karma bus runs you over and then backs over you again for good measure you dirty little rodent.


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Talking up Bazza there. The guy that used to coward punch people.


And he is yet to be convicted of eye gouging so settle pettle

 

[Daniels Riches]

Talking up Bazza there. The guy that used to coward punch people.


And he is yet to be convicted of eye gouging so settle pettle

Did I say that Hall was a saint pettle? Is that what you inferred?
Can you explain how I talked up Bazza?


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[Elmer_Hauser]

This bloke is pure scum. Absolute filth. A dog of the highest order. Weak as pi$$. Has the most punchable head in the game. There is no way he should have been able to play on the weekend.
A very, very talented footballer, but a very, very ordinary person. I wonder if this POS would have the balls to eye gouge Barry Hall? Payback is always around the corner Toby. I hope the karma bus runs you over and then backs over you again for good measure you dirty little rodent.


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Get a bloody grip and calm down. Life is too short to get wound up like that.

 

[Colonial]

Did I say that Hall was a saint pettle? Is that what you inferred?


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Nope. Just amusing you referencing him in this case.