Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[TiAn_]

It has been reported that Barrass:

• is contracted for 3 more years at $750,000 per year
• is seeking a 2 year extension from from the Eagles
• has been offered $3M over a “long number of years” (presumably 5 years, being 3+2) by the Bulldogs.

Would think it’s likely the Eagles come to the party and offer him the extra 2 years. But would be a welcome addition to the Dogs backline if not.

 

[Obeanie1]

So currently on 3 x $750. Total of $2.25m.

And the Dogs offer an $600k pa for 5 years?

That isnt much of an incentive to move really. Time value of money and all that.

Why would he move to get paid less over the next 3 years?

 

[TiAn_]

So currently on 3 x $750. Total of $2.25m.

And the Dogs offer an $600k pa for 5 years?

That isnt much of an incentive to move really. Time value of money and all that.

Why would he move to get paid less over the next 3 years?

To get the additional $750,000 over the following two years? Which the Eagles to date haven’t matched.

Pretty straightforward that $3M > $2.25M

The Eagles can always offer to extend his contract by two years in response to the Dogs offer. Hasn’t happened yet though, hence the speculation.

 

[fargothegreat]

Why would the Eagles be desperate to keep a 28 year old?

Pretty similar to the Rioli/Bolton situation with us where the player is gettable if the deal is right. Dogs should have two first round picks, possibly one inside the top 10 which could get this done.

 

[Obeanie1]

To get the additional $750,000 over the following two years? Which the Eagles to date haven’t matched.

Pretty straightforward that $3M > $2.25M

The Eagles can always offer to extend his contract by two years in response to the Dogs offer. Hasn’t happened yet though, hence the speculation.

Time value of money is why.

Its a finance term. Money now is worth more than money in the future.

Eagles just need to increase the current deal by approx $250k to match and with no extension in time.

$2.5m in three years equates to $3m over 5 years. Because you get the cash sooner, invest it in something that inflation doesnt reduce its value.

So it isnt as simple as you are making out.

 

[TiAn_]

Time value of money is why.

Its a finance term. Money now is worth more than money in the future.

Eagles just need to increase the current deal by approx $250k to match and with no extension in time.

$2.5m in three years equates to $3m over 5 years. Because you get the cash sooner, invest it in something that inflation doesnt reduce.d

So it isnt as simple as you are making out.

No, what I’m saying is pretty simple and based on what has been reported.

What you’re talking about are the abstract financial benefits of your own hypothetical contract scenario that hasn’t been reported anywhere.

 

[Obeanie1]

No, what I’m saying is pretty simple and based on what has been reported.

What you’re talking about are the abstract financial benefits of your own hypothetical contract scenario that hasn’t been reported anywhere.

Ok you dont know about how discounted cashflow works? That isnt a hypothetical scenario BTW......its just plain math.

The basic premise is money now is worth more than the future. And you can use money now to earn more money in the future. And due to inflation money in the future wont buy what it can today. You do understand this bit?

The Dogs deal you put up has TB earning $150k less per year in the first three years then more. So $450k less in the first 3 years than his current deal. Not smart.

You also have totally ignored that TB will be earning a salary for years 4 and 5 even if he wasnt playing AFL at all.

Anyway I will leave it at that as I feel the finance theory and math is going way over your head. And your answer seems to be just ignore it.

Edit. Or Lol at the post because you simply dont have the brains to understand it seems.

 

[eaglevision]

Ok you dont know about how discounted cashflow works? That isnt a hypothetical scenario BTW......its just plain math.

The basic premise is money now is worth more than the future. And you can use money now to earn more money in the future. And due to inflation money in the future wont buy what it can today. You do understand this bit?

The Dogs deal you put up has TB earning $150k less per year in the first three years then more. So $450k less in the first 3 years than his current deal. Not smart.

You also have totally ignored that TB will be earning a salary for years 4 and 5 even if he wasnt playing AFL at all.

Anyway I will leave it at that as I feel the finance theory and math is going way over your head. And your answer seems to be just ignore it.

Edit. Or Lol at the post because you simply dont have the brains to understand it seems.

I see nothing has changed. Bloke still has NFI.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Eagles should let him go for a top 10 pick. Harry Edwards is fine as a replacement, though not as good currently, he is solid and could get better.

 

[Obeanie1]

I see nothing has changed. Bloke still has NFI.

On Gettable they said the offer from the Dogs was OVER $3 million.

Not $3m for 5 years as Sir Laughalot posted.

Which makes perfect sense as $3m over 5 years is laughable.

Guessing the young fella doesnt work as a financial advisor or player manager.

 

[Bulldogs85]

On Gettable they said the offer from the Dogs was OVER $3 million.

Not $3m for 5 years as Sir Laughalot posted.

Which makes perfect sense as $3m over 5 years is laughable.

Guessing the young fella doesnt work as a financial advisor or player manager.

Would rather keep money and just pump games into Busslinger

 

[eaglevision]

On Gettable they said the offer from the Dogs was OVER $3 million.

Not $3m for 5 years as Sir Laughalot posted.

Which makes perfect sense as $3m over 5 years is laughable.

Guessing the young fella doesnt work as a financial advisor or player manager.

Yep, also confabulated the 5-6 year term which was never actually specified then didn’t understand the simple maths showing why he’s FOS. No point wasting energy on someone lacking a junior school level of basic arithmetic.

Anyway. Barrass and salary for 2 picks 10-15 or no deal.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Yep, also confabulated the 5-6 year term which was never actually specified then didn’t understand the simple maths showing why he’s FOS. No point wasting energy on someone lacking a junior school level of basic arithmetic.

Anyway. Barrass and salary for 2 picks 10-15 or no deal.

Good luck getting two picks in that range for Tom Barrass

 

[eaglevision]

Good luck getting two picks in that range for Tom Barrass

I’m not our list manager but that’s the floor of what I’m prepared to release one of the best KPDs in the league for, especially now that the Buss has decided to stay and won’t be part of the deal.

 

[stallon]

Good luck getting two picks in that range for Tom Barrass

To a club that needs a KPD to be a premiership chance that's a pretty reasonable deal

 

[Obeanie1]

Would rather keep money and just pump games into Busslinger

Im sure Bontempelli and others would rather have a serious crack at another flag before they are done too.

Can see the Hawks taking an interest if Smith goes elsewhere.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Im sure Bontempelli and others would rather have a serious crack at another flag before they are done too.

Can see the Hawks taking an interest if Smith goes elsewhere.

let’s be honest Tom Barrass is not leaving West Coast I would be shocked if he did.

 

[TiAn_]

Yep, also confabulated the 5-6 year term which was never actually specified then didn’t understand the simple maths showing why he’s FOS. No point wasting energy on someone lacking a junior school level of basic arithmetic.

Anyway. Barrass and salary for 2 picks 10-15 or no deal.

On Gettable they said the offer from the Dogs was OVER $3 million.

Not $3m for 5 years as Sir Laughalot posted.

Which makes perfect sense as $3m over 5 years is laughable.

Guessing the young fella doesnt work as a financial advisor or player manager.

Have a look at Lloyd Christmas & Harry Dunne here absolutely owning this thread.

Two mid first round picks lol

 

[tigs2010]

Have a look at Lloyd Christmas & Harry Dunne here absolutely owning this thread.

Two mid first round picks lol

They think they've got Ronald Dale Barrass

 

[fnerd]

With lobb being reinvented and busslinger signing on reckon this one’s dead in the water , for the dogs anyway.
Not to mention doubt barrass would leave WC to join another side that doesn’t play finals

 

[Mofra]

Time value of money is why.

Its a finance term. Money now is worth more than money in the future.

Eagles just need to increase the current deal by approx $250k to match and with no extension in time.

$2.5m in three years equates to $3m over 5 years. Because you get the cash sooner, invest it in something that inflation doesnt reduce its value.

So it isnt as simple as you are making out.

You're forgetting match payments though. An extra 2 years of match payment opportunity for a lot of players is a decent carrot.

I think the point is moot though - he'll stay IMO. Perhaps his contract of 3 years becomes a 3 + 1 (incentives in his last season) as a sweetener.

 

[BEEG]

Massive need for the Pies.

 

[stallon]

Massive need for the Pies.

Do you have any idea of how you'd afford him?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

With lobb being reinvented and busslinger signing on reckon this one’s dead in the water , for the dogs anyway.
Not to mention doubt barrass would leave WC to join another side that doesn’t play finals

Not so sure now
Change of coach and new list manager wanting more picks can see the club being ruthless
Depending on what we can get for him

 

[Anzacday]

Do you have any idea of how you'd afford him?

We can’t but it doesn’t change the fact