Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Iceman!]

i keep hearing first round pick for a 29 year old, does it really matter if hawthorn miss out on one 17 year old kid if they win the flag next year with barrass holding down the backline? and the chance of hawthorn winning a flag increase with barrass in the team and not a 17 year old kid.

No it doesn't but it does matter if we somewhat stagnate over the next couple years and now have Barrass at 31-32 locked in on big money and declining and we no longer had that extra young talent developing.

I get why chasing him makes sense but it does come with a risk.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

New facility is in Dingley, absolute hell hole.

Lol they dont live there mate

 

[BIGHAWK23]

New facility is in Dingley, absolute hell hole.

Makes your new facility look second rate brother, and because Footscray is a utopian paradise

And it’s going to take 45 mins to get into the place from any inner city suburb once the tunnel opens up

Grow up

 

[sexyhunk]

No it doesn't but it does matter if we somewhat stagnate over the next couple years and now have Barrass at 31-32 locked in on big money and declining and we no longer had that extra young talent developing.

I get why chasing him makes sense but it does come with a risk.

thats the same as every big recruitment in last how many years. either take the easier option of selecting a kid and hope he turn out good or take the risk of recruiting an experience player of need and move the needle.

 

[Iceman!]

thats the same as every big recruitment in last how many years. either take the easier option of selecting a kid and hope he turn out good or take the risk of recruiting an experience player of need and move the needle.

Yes but you said why does it matter, i am just telling you why it matters.

If we were Sydney, Brisbane, Carlton etc i would be all in and saying get it done. We are only just entering our window (could argue that is still a year or two away).

 

[H00t]

thats the same as every big recruitment in last how many years. either take the easier option of selecting a kid and hope he turn out good or take the risk of recruiting an experience player of need and move the needle.

Risk is a lot less when the player has a lot longer left to play.

Barrass is we have to make it work in 2-3 years especially given the outlay.

Makes more sense for a team that’s been up and has a year or two left and is just needing a KPD to try and win a flag.

 

[Chubbs25]

Mitch Cleary reporting this morning that the Dogs are still front runners for Barrass.

And cal twomey said he now has hawks in front

 

[lordbob]

How many concussions has barrass had? Does being out for 2 weeks with concussion rather than 1 indicate that he is more susceptible to them?

 

[stallon]

How many concussions has barrass had? Does being out for 2 weeks with concussion rather than 1 indicate that he is more susceptible to them?

It's a 12 day break off a concussion. Supposedly he's come up with symptoms during the week, so it'd go over 2 weekends of games.

Might not be an actual concussion though, he could be in cotton wool for a potential trade

 

[Jaspar24]

How many concussions has barrass had? Does being out for 2 weeks with concussion rather than 1 indicate that he is more susceptible to them?

I'm no footy medico but going off how conservatively they managed Liam Duggan's concussion for 2 weeks this year and that was on the lesser scale, i think its more a club approach and less regarding a cumulative affect of concussion.

 

[sydney_gws]

If we win the flag next year it won’t be due to Barrass but the rest of our team continuing its upward trajectory. That will have the biggest say.

On the other side the kid should improve with our list and in 3-4 years time when our list should be approaching its best they will be there for those pushes while Barrass would be pretty much finished.

If hawthorn wins the flag this year, would they still want Barass?

 

[RanaNaved]

If hawthorn wins the flag this year, would they still want Barass?

How the **** would we know?

 

[hawkman]

You would think we would start with our first and DGB. WC will want more so we will throw in a 2nd or a 3rd rounder

 

[H00t]

If hawthorn wins the flag this year, would they still want Barass?

Sounds like Mitchell wants Barrass. The only thing that would get in the way would be what Eagles ask for.

So even if we did win the flag I doubt it would change anything. If anything just make Mitchell want Barrass more

 

[hawks1998]

Is he more of a second tall/ interceptor? or a true key back in the sense of stopping the other teams key forward

 

[stallon]

Is he more of a second tall/ interceptor? or a true key back in the sense of stopping the other teams key forward

His reading of the ball is very good, his natural game is to read the ball and beat the forward to it with a fist or mark rather than a traditional stopper. He doesnt wrestle with a big forward or anything too much

He does do the more accountable role in the side right now as we have McGovern who is probably the best interceptor to ever play the game.

Can do both tbh. Hes a full back

 

[triple treat]

Depends on the pick.

They won't let him go for a pick that ends up in the 20's.

Nor would I, but our 1st (10-14) is IMO enough.

 

[Obeanie1]

And cal twomey said he now has hawks in front

"Dogs table massive offer" is the latest article.

Looks like we have a bidding war.

Mitchell with the relationship I suggest would be leading the race.

Sounds like he will get a decent pay day if he moves.

 

[Obeanie1]

Risk is a lot less when the player has a lot longer left to play.

Barrass is we have to make it work in 2-3 years especially given the outlay.

Makes more sense for a team that’s been up and has a year or two left and is just needing a KPD to try and win a flag.

What about the risk on an unproven 18 year old? Plenty dont make it.

When you trade in a mature player you know what they can do and you know the picks it costs.

 

[H00t]

What about the risk on an unproven 18 year old? Plenty dont make it.

When you trade in a mature player you know what they can do and you know the picks it costs.

The upside is far greater though and the time you get out of them potentially a lot more as well.

Barrass makes sense for a team at the end of their window.

Doesn’t make nearly as much sense for a team like Hawthorn who have a very young list and whose best doesn’t align with Barrass.

 

[Shueygod]

The upside is far greater though and the time you get out of them potentially a lot more as well.

Barrass makes sense for a team at the end of their window.

Doesn’t make nearly as much sense for a team like Hawthorn who have a very young list and whose best doesn’t align with Barrass.

Getting a player of Barras’ quality would be a 10% chance.

 

[H00t]

Getting a player of Barras’ quality would be a 10% chance.

And if it was a 24 year old Barrass I wouldn’t think twice about paying a first.

As it stands we will only get a few years out of Barrass and will have to hope they are close to his best. If our list was 2-3 years older it would make a lot more sense.

 

[Iceman!]

Getting a player of Barras’ quality would be a 10% chance.

Maybe but it doesn't have to be his quality to be perhaps worth it. You get

A) More years out of them

B) Get them on a rookie contract not the better part of a million per year

Every list decision is a rick but i think going to the draft as a young list only just starting to push up the ladder is a much smaller risk than offering 800+ and 4+ years as well as multiple draft assets.

 

[Taylor]

Every list decision is a rick but i think going to the draft as a young list only just starting to push up the ladder is a much smaller risk than offering 800+ and 4+ years as well as multiple draft assets.

Not just four years, it should be 100 games at top level performance.

Odds are very long on getting that at all out of even multiple draft picks.

Trading is always taking the known quantity to set and forget that position.

For the most clarity, 100 games at top level performance spread over 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028. I would hope that first round picks play 100 games across their entire career - but I don't think you'll get borderline/AA form out of them for 100 games in the next four years even with a couple/multiple of guys cumulatively contributing at once.

 

[H00t]

Not just four years, it should be 100 games at top level performance.

Odds are very long on getting that at all out of even multiple draft picks.

Trading is always taking the known quantity to set and forget that position.

For the most clarity, 100 games at top level performance spread over 2025, 2026, 2027 and 2028. I would hope that first round picks play 100 games across their entire career - but I don't think you'll get borderline/AA form out of them for 100 games in the next four years even with a couple/multiple of guys cumulatively contributing at once.

Barrass hasn’t played 20 games in a season yet. If he plays two more games this year it would be the first season he’s done that.

So I can’t see him playing 25 games a year over the next four years. There’s also the likelihood of him dropping off very quickly past 30.

He’s also only made the AA squad once and never made the team. It’s a big leap to say he’s going to perform at AA level.