Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Back Pocket Rocket]

We're so lucky to be graced in this thread by the actual Hawthorn list management team.

So many definitive statements, how can you possibly take it as anything other than gospel?

Lots of the actual West Coast list management team on here too

 

[Obeanie1]

We can't cash it, we don't have to though. Like I said, you can just keep him, if you don't like our offer. What's the big deal?

Hawks seemed to have gone to great lengths to attract his signature.

Go ask them.

 

[bluespooner]

If the media think an out of contract Baker is worth a late first rounder then barrass is worth WAY more than pick 13 .

Baker isn't worth pick 13.

 

[RCAB]

Hawks seemed to have gone to great lengths to attract his signature.

Go ask them.

Great lengths... We'll see

 

[bzparkes]

Its going to be bad form if Tom Barrass is forced to play for WC when he's told them he wants to play elsewhere.

Laughable.

It's bad form to sign a long term contract you were happy with, then want out a couple of years in.

See Petracca.

 

[bzparkes]

Sure, so you're semi-pushing him out...

Expecting someone to honour their contract isn't pushing them out.

Gee some people are stupid on this board...

 

[HeHateMe]

It would be really bad of Hawks to whisper and chase a contracted player, and then back out. I doubt the Hawks recruiting team would do that. They will pay what they need to.

This isn't completely true, the onus isn't on Hawthorn to pay whatever WC demand. It's a negotiation.

Using your own argument against you, it would be bad for WC to nudge Barrass to look for opportunities and to then price him out of the market. Forcing him to then return with his tail between his legs. Other players and managers will see that. If Hawthorn were to back out it's not good for anyone.

Anywho thats unlikely to happen because WC and Hawthorn see the bigger picture and will come to a fair deal for all parties.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Eagles can ask doesn’t mean hawks have to pay.

If that’s the least the eagles will take then Barrass can stay put. No skin off the hawks nose. No need to overpay just because.

Two firsts with a second round pick going back isn’t a significant over pay

 

[Farang83150]

I prefer watching Box Hill Hawks they at put in. Unlike the embarassment of WC's final game this season.

Yet you try to come across as know all about Barrass....yeah ok, grain of salt just as suspected.

 

[THE_GUN]

So now you’ve agreed to a 5 year deal with a player on good money and then reneged on it.
Poor Tom lol

Well Barrass would be used to clubs reneging by now you would think

 

[Snoref]

Hawks chased him, made the big offer. It's on them to deliver.

Lol bit if WC are unreasonable with their demands...you think we should pony up if WC say our 1st, f1, and both 2nd and f2? Laugable

 

[H00t]

Two firsts with a second round pick going back isn’t a significant over pay

It’s way overs. Especially with such an unknown around our finishing position next year.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

It’s way overs. Especially with such an unknown around our finishing position next year.

It’s likely pick 19-22 for 7-18 hardly a massive change

 

[Snoref]

He's worth a top 10 pick. 16 is not enough.

So tell us how much you reckon Bailey is worth?

 

[Barrybran]

I'm going to be honest, I like to think I'm pretty good at understanding trade suggestions but I'm struggling a bit there I think because you are basically proposing getting other clubs involved where they don't need to be? I can't quite tell haha.

In a vacuum I'd have both similar value to be honest. Both very very good at their role without being the best, Barrass being from WA and extra miles on the legs, older by a 18 months and injury history but a harder position to get quality in. Probably Barrass ahead a little bit but not much.

A little late to reply but my apologies. This wasn't meant as a genuine trade suggestion but more a remark on the absurdity of the respective player valuations.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

So tell us how much you reckon Bailey is worth?

A contracted Bailey(with 2 years to run) is worth a top 10 pick.

 

[Snoref]

This isn't completely true, the onus isn't on Hawthorn to pay whatever WC demand. It's a negotiation.

Using your own argument against you, it would be bad for WC to nudge Barrass to look for opportunities and to then price him out of the market. Forcing him to than return with his tail between his legs. Other players and managers will see that. If Hawthorn were to back out it's not good for anyone.

Anywho thats unlikely to happen because WC and Hawthorn see the bigger picture and will come to a fair deal for all parties.

All clubs would be putting feelers out on players they want, I'm sure WC do the same and I'm sure Hawthorn and WC would of had some dialogue (so they can determine a range for value) before a contract with terms were offered to said player so that the receiving team knows what they would be likely to cough up...if WC want two first as a miminum I doubt it would of progress to where it is now...doubt Hawthorn would og been comfortable in putting TB around the 2 first range...

 

[Snoref]

A contracted Bailey(with 2 years to run) is worth a top 10 pick.

I didn't ask you did I, I was talking to the WB supporter..

 

[Barrybran]

He's worth a top 10 pick. 16 is not enough.

There was a suggestion on our board to request a top 10 pick and leave Hawthorn to figure out the 'how'. I don't think it happens but it makes sense. That is what we should be getting from this trade rather than simply top 10 value.

 

[triple treat]

So based on this theory, if in 2026, Gold Coast/Swans/Brisbane take the first 10 players with academy picks, and in 2025 there is 2, then pick 15 is worth the same in both years yeah? If Hawks offered 2025 1st rounder or 2026 you wouldnt care which one we got?

Mate lets make this as simple as possible for you! lets say you have pick 1 but there are 10 highly rated academy kids from GC Sydney, Brissie and GWS and they are predicted to all go top 10. that would mean that pick one gets pushed out to pick 11 yeah. Now you realise that you will get the same kid in this situation if you picked at 1 that you will get if you pick at 11.

 

[triple treat]

There was a suggestion on our board to request a top 10 pick and leave Hawthorn to figure out the 'how'. I don't think it happens but it makes sense. That is what we should be getting from this trade rather than simply top 10 value.

The how is very easy with this one, its how fast we get up and leave the room!

 

[H00t]

It’s likely pick 19-22 for 7-18 hardly a massive change

It is a big change and well above what Barrass is worth when included with pick 13.

Moving up in the draft costs a decent amount

 

[Snoref]

Love how the Geelong supporters are pushing for 2 first and change for TB but only want to offer 1 first for Bailey in the other chat...

 

[bzparkes]

It is a big change and well above what Barrass is worth when included with pick 13.

Moving up in the draft costs a decent amount

We don't know how both clubs have determined his 'worth'.

Could be WCE expect a top 10, or this year's first and next year's F1st(with something going back)

Could be this year's first and second.

Could be something else in the works involving a third club altogether.

Barrass wouldn't have nominated Hawthorn if his management didn't think they could get it done.

The HUN seems to think WCE will ask for 2 first rounders, so there's your starting point.

 

[H00t]

We don't know how both clubs have determined his 'worth'.

Could be WCE expect a top 10, or this year's first and next year's F1st(with something going back)

Could be this year's first and second.

Could be something else in the works involving a third club altogether.

Barrass wouldn't have nominated Hawthorn if his management didn't think they could get it done.

The HUN seems to think WCE will ask for 2 first rounders, so there's your starting point.

What the eagles want and what hawks will be will likely be 2 separate things.

I’d much rather our list management team walked away from the deal than put 2 firsts on the table.

He’s just not worth that much.