Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Ge3ks]

 

[matey]

Realistically McCabe as is the case with most young KPDs, is probably not a real option until closer to 2027.

Is Blanck + Frost a premiership winning KPD combo?

I think you guys have displayed enough interest in McKay last year and Barrass now to prove without a doubt that you are desperate for KPD like Barrass

Desperate …… maybe last year and previous years but not now.

Frost this year is a changed man. I can’t recall one Frostball, kamikaze moment, bad turnover that resulted in a goal ……. previous years he was doing this at least once or twice a week. I think Sam and the coaches have simplified his role and he is in career best form. Hasn’t had many goals kicked on him, looks measured, tough as nails and has won over plenty of Hawk fans this year. A big surprise to be honest.

Blanck has pretty much started his AFL career showed some good signs as a FB last year. You would expect more growth/improvement with more games. Very competitive individual. Big unit.

You’re right McCabe not ready yet but you’re just guessing with 27 …… take a look at Dear as an example. There is not one Hawk fan that predicted what he is doing as a KPF.

I believe that the main reason for chasing Barrass or another KPD is to release Weddle to other areas of the ground as this kid has the tools to play anywhere.

 

[triple treat]

Coaches meet up with players all the time.

According to Schofield and Mark Readings after Barrass meet with Mitchell, he said some coaches meet up to 20+ players every year to see if they want to shift.

It's not exactly unusual.

What's 'unusual' is flying the opposite direction from home to meet with a player when you need to get home with the team and prepare for the next match.

Could've done a Zoom call but Mitchell preferred to meet Barras directly.

Regardless of whether it's 'green-lit' by the Eagles or not, you still need to make an effort to get the player to commit to your club.

Mitchell's clearly done that and clearly that's his MO when targeting potential trades into Hawthorn.

My point being that why would the Eagles agree for a player contracted for the next 3 years to meet with an opposition coach if they weren’t keen to trade him out?

 

[bzparkes]

My point being that why would the Eagles agree for a player contracted for the next 3 years to meet with an opposition coach if they weren’t keen to trade him out?

Huh? Who said they 'agreed'?

I just told you that coaches meet with players all the time, doesn't mean those meetings are club sanctioned. That's just the landscape of player movement these days.

 

[triple treat]

Huh? Who said they 'agreed'?

I just told you that coaches meet with players all the time, doesn't mean those meetings are club sanctioned. That's just the landscape of player movement these days.

Who said they didn’t?
Anyway the trade will be what it’ll be I just hope the Hawks no when to walk.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Would gladly take him back.

Two firsts?

 

[Tony_Clifton]

How many games do you you blokes think Barrass has left in him?

His body has taken a fair bit of punishment for a soon to be 29 year old. I'd be surprised if he manages more than 50.

 

[javaguice]

Yeah all very interesting

My mail had TB as the senior eagle sending messages about simmo which lead to his dismissal, along with a few Ls on the way

Was after the Hawks embarrassed us from memory

Anyway, Sammy would have a good relationship with a bunch of Eagles and if you were looking for another premiership, chances are Hawks get there before Eagles

He is a gun player, probably on par with McGovern these days. Nice coupe for the Hawks

 

[hawkman]

4th worst one on one defender in the comp this year

I'm not actually sure he is exactly what we need

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

4th worst one on one defender in the comp this year

I'm not actually sure he is exactly what we need

This is where I think the "eye test" trumps stats.

Barrass has officially been in about 2 contested defence 1 v 1s per game this season. Last few years it's been around 3. But I think you'd have to have rocks in your head to think that those 2-3 moments per game wholly encapsulates defending your matchup. And sure he performs poorly in that metric, but like the difference btwn someone who performs good in it vs someone who performs poorly in it is probably like 5 shots a season. Not exactly the be all and end all.

Might also be role dependent: as he's become more of an interceptor and potentially leading the backline more, it's probably natural that he's gonna be caught "late" to matchups because his role requires him to do a lot more babysitting than it did in the past, when he performed well in that metric.

That's not me making a hard call on what quality of defender he is. But I think that metric is 1 of the more misleading metrics we have. It'd lead to the conclusion that Darcy Moore is a superior 1 v 1 defender to Sam Taylor. I'd hope everyone would agree that that's nonsense.

 

[hawkman]

This is where I think the "eye test" trumps stats.

Barrass has officially been in about 2 contested defence 1 v 1s per game this season. Last few years it's been around 3. But I think you'd have to have rocks in your head to think that those 2-3 moments per game wholly encapsulates defending your matchup. And sure he performs poorly in that metric, but like the difference btwn someone who performs good in it vs someone who performs poorly in it is probably like 5 shots a season. Not exactly the be all and end all.

Might also be role dependent: as he's become more of an interceptor and potentially leading the backline more, it's probably natural that he's gonna be caught "late" to matchups because his role requires him to do a lot more babysitting than it did in the past, when he performed well in that metric.

That's not me making a hard call on what quality of defender he is. But I think that metric is 1 of the more misleading metrics we have. It'd lead to the conclusion that Darcy Moore is a superior 1 v 1 defender to Sam Taylor. I'd hope everyone would agree that that's nonsense.

I would argue that lockdown role is what we need to recruit for though. Stats over his whole career show he hasn't been great in those 1v1 contests. Does he stop Hogan last week from dominating against us? I'm not sure.

To me it is a big risk. Having seen us overpay for O'Meara and Wingard, I worry we will go down the same path again

I would prefer to go with Battle only next year and then see what happens

 

[maverick001]

The entitlement of the WCE fans is absurd. Recently we've already given them Brockman for basically nothing and we even gave them a lend of Sammy. Get what your given.

Brockman is shizen. No way he was worth more than we gave.

 

[maverick001]

Decent return is fine, most are demanding extreme overs 'because he is contracted' despite knowing it is in the best interest of the club to move on from him.

I think most are realistic enough to know 2 first rounders is a stretch. Maybe you're only being exposed to the ones being more aggresive than that.
But given the reality that he is contacted for 3 more years, I think expecting a 1R & 2R is entirely reasonable. If Rioli warrants 12 + 20, then jesus.
I don't think the examples of JOM & T.Mitchell that others have mentioned are relevant. S.Mitchell clearly had a plan to freshen up that midfield, which has worked, so those guys were somewhat surplus to requirements. Barrass is certainly not that, its more a case of the Eagles taking advantage of a strong market for him.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Wont be 2 firsts

Your firsts are very average.

You'll be selling the farm, ala tim Kelly trade

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Your firsts are very average.

You'll be selling the farm, ala tim Kelly trade

It won't

But thanks for playing

 

[Mofra]

4th worst one on one defender in the comp this year

I'm not actually sure he is exactly what we need

I'm not sure it's a great measure in isolation as some midfields are going to pressure the ball carrier far better than others. KPDs at bottom 4 clubs are on a hiding to nothing.

 

[xLeCrAs2x]

Ahhh I see it’s the silly season again where posters from different clubs argue and debate a players worth for months on end.

Both clubs are super professional at the trade table and won’t muck around getting a fair deal done (unlike Geelong and Essendon )

Both supporter groups will rage when the deal gets done as their overestimation and underestimation fantasies won’t be realised

If it’s any club I’d like to see Tommy go to it would be the hawks to give him the best chance at another premiership and would love to see S.Mitchell snag a flag as coach seeing as though he helped us jag one in 2018

 

[stallon]

How many games do you you blokes think Barrass has left in him?

His body has taken a fair bit of punishment for a soon to be 29 year old. I'd be surprised if he manages more than 50.

I see no reason he'd have to retire early or have any lingering issues like some of the older guys getting soft tissue injuries or something

 

[Tony_Clifton]

One on one Barrass is great. He makes good choices when to spoil and when to go for the intercept mark. Can't fault him in his actual play. Long kick too

 

[Ka Norkers]

find all this stuff amusing, although getting to the tiresome stage.
Tom Barrass

37

Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

is a fabulous player and will make Hawthorn a much better team in 2025.
The Hawks and the Eagles are two reasonable clubs, and this deal will get done. The constant and boring bickering about what he is worth is ridiculous, I'd be pretty sure the two parties are not constantly looking here to see if what they are offering/accepting is ok.
The deal will get done in the trade period, and you can all crow and scream about the result when that happens, until then the speculation here is nothing more than guess-work and, mostly, drivel.

 

[Chubbs25]

I think most are realistic enough to know 2 first rounders is a stretch. Maybe you're only being exposed to the ones being more aggresive than that.
But given the reality that he is contacted for 3 more years, I think expecting a 1R & 2R is entirely reasonable. If Rioli warrants 12 + 20, then jesus.
I don't think the examples of JOM & T.Mitchell that others have mentioned are relevant. S.Mitchell clearly had a plan to freshen up that midfield, which has worked, so those guys were somewhat surplus to requirements. Barrass is certainly not that, its more a case of the Eagles taking advantage of a strong market for him.

I think your right here. 2 first seem too much but 1 first not enough.
I think either way it will be 1st and future 2nd or future 1st and 2nd

 

[hawkman]

I'm not sure it's a great measure in isolation as some midfields are going to pressure the ball carrier far better than others. KPDs at bottom 4 clubs are on a hiding to nothing.

Essendon have 3 of the bottom 5 so that probably checks out.

Even when West Coast were going well, his one on one loss percentage was never great and he has generally had one of the best defenders of the last 15 years helping him out.

 

[Big_Birdy]

I think your right here. 2 first seem too much but 1 first not enough.
I think either way it will be 1st and future 2nd or future 1st and 2nd

Yep.

If its ends up being 15 and 27 or 10 and 27, either way it probably just gets done. With Edwards re-signing for us (apparently) I'd day the deal is done, with both parties willing to take some risk of paying/getting more than they expected knowing they also may give/get less.

I don't think you'll need your F1 involved unless you take out the flag. Then I'd say it will be 18 + F1 for TB and F3 or some such.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Industry sources believe it would take two first-round picks to turn West Coast’s heads – and even that may not get it done given the expected trajectory of Sam Mitchell’s young team

Industry sources are pretty well never right.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Yep.

If its ends up being 15 and 27 or 10 and 27, either way it probably just gets done. With Edwards re-signing for us (apparently) I'd day the deal is done, with both parties willing to take some risk of paying/getting more than they expected knowing they also may give/get less.

I don't think you'll need your F1 involved unless you take out the flag. Then I'd say it will be 18 + F1 for TB and F3 or some such.

Im a Dockers supporter and I think you are spot on.