Confirmed Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[lordbob]

Id rather we walk away than get bent over. if weagles want to play hard ball then let them keep him.

 

[Del225438]

West coast are gonna fist Hok with this one. Late 20s, very injury prone, never AA, always had elite support with McGovern, Hurn and Schofield his whole career.

Hok should walk away and just take the W with battle free of charge IMO.

Sums it up well.

 

[TylerDurden]

West coast are gonna fist Hok with this one. Late 20s, very injury prone, never AA, always had elite support with McGovern, Hurn and Schofield his whole career.

Hok should walk away and just take the W with battle free of charge IMO.

He'll get elite support with us.

The flipside is he could take us to a flag.

Put him on Georgiadis the other night, and we win.

 

[triple treat]

He'll get elite support with us.

The flipside is he could take us to a flag.

Put him on Georgiadis the other night, and we win.

Put Frost or Battle on Georgiadis and we win. Barrass will be good for the bigger forwards like the kings.

 

[Farang83150]

West coast are gonna fist Hok with this one. Late 20s, very injury prone, never AA, always had elite support with McGovern, Hurn and Schofield his whole career.

Hok should walk away and just take the W with battle free of charge IMO.

Schofield elite.....

 

[craffles]

Schofield elite.....

Yeah that one is probably a bit of a stretch but point stands with Hurn and McGovern next to him most of his career making his role a lot easier.

 

[Farang83150]

Yeah that one is probably a bit of a stretch but point stands with Hurn and McGovern next to him most of his career making his role a lot easier.

Yeah you obviously watch lots of WC....

 

[HairyO]

Why would we say that? Happy for him to stay.

You'd keep him when he isnt going to be there when you are next challenging, rather than trading him while he has value and topping up with potentially elite players?

Given we are getting Battle I'd say WCE would be more in favour of trading him out than we are in trading him in.

I cant imagine we will pay overs for him.

He'll get elite support with us.

The flipside is he could take us to a flag.

Put him on Georgiadis the other night, and we win.

I mean if Frost played we would have won...

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

Hawks desperate for the player and eagles desperate for picks.

It will be a fair trade.

Eagles start asking for 2 first, hawks offer and first and a future 3rd.

It ends up being a first rounder and swap of future second for future 3rd or something like that.

Negotiating 101, both start high and meet somewhere in the middle. Neither party has the upper hand here cos both want what the other has and would only be bluffing to suggest otherwise.

 

[TazHawk15]

Hawks desperate for the player and eagles desperate for picks.

It will be a fair trade.

Eagles start asking for 2 first, hawks offer and first and a future 3rd.

It ends up being a first rounder and swap of future second for future 3rd or something like that.

Negotiating 101, both start high and meet somewhere in the middle. Neither party has the upper hand here cos both want what the other has and would only be bluffing to suggest otherwise.

Stop coming on here with this perfectly sensible stuff.

On a serious note you are spot on so all the mods have to do it sticky your post to the top of the page then it’s /end thread, until the deal is done.

 

[stallon]

Hawks desperate for the player and eagles desperate for picks.

It will be a fair trade.

Eagles start asking for 2 first, hawks offer and first and a future 3rd.

It ends up being a first rounder and swap of future second for future 3rd or something like that.

Negotiating 101, both start high and meet somewhere in the middle. Neither party has the upper hand here cos both want what the other has and would only be bluffing to suggest otherwise.

eh make it a swap of f1/f2 instead of f2/f3 and its sorted

 

[Snoref]

For all those staying that WC would rather keep him that trade him for pick 13 and change, ask yourself what benefit would it serve to WC to keep him for another 3 years?

And is pick 13 and change massive unders that outweighs the benefits of keeping him..

 

[stallon]

For all those staying that WC would rather keep him that trade him for pick 13 and change, ask yourself what benefit would it serve to WC to keep him for another 3 years?

And is pick 13 and change massive unders that outweighs the benefits of keeping him..

Its not about just taking what we can get, its also about not getting bent over. If we take unders for a contracted vice captain and one of the best KPDs in the comp how does that make us look?

I could frame it the other way too, is 13+f1 for Barrass+f2 such massive overs for the Hawks that theyd pass up an A-grade KPD who theyve offered 4+1 years to on big money?

The contract offer has been very public too, that would affect how other prospective targets deal with them in the future too.
Knowing that the Hawks refused to pay up what is not an unreasonable price for a player theyve offered a contract to and been talking to for months is an awful look

 

[hawkinoz]

I'm trying to consider an equivalent here.

Also trying not to sound too biased.

However, for me it comes back to the same concept of Hawthorn trading contractes players O'Meara and Mitchell due to the stage we were at in our rebuild.

The difference of course being that it was obvious the removal of those two would improve our midfield immediately.

The scenario for Barrass and West Coast is similar, with the main differences being that Tom is a key position player (who can be valued differently), and losing him won't necessarily improve West Coasts backline.

However, when you compare the two scenarios, and what Hawthorn were happy to accept for Mitchell and O'Meara, then pick 13 and a future 2nd or third honestly very fair.

Eagles situation is just like O'Meara and Titch. They are vacating Barrass spot to blood Edwards lot more. They see big potential in him and he is being wasted.

Ideally I would prefer a deal similar to them but happy to swallow a lop sided deal of pick 13 with their F3 coming back at bare minimum. If we did not get Scaife, I would have asked for Ryan Maric instead of F3.

 

[stallon]

Eagles situation is just like O'Meara and Titch. They are vacating Barrass spot to blood Edwards lot more. They see big potential in him and he is being wasted.

Ideally I would prefer a deal similar to them but happy to swallow a lop sided deal of pick 13 with their F3 coming back at bare minimum. If we did not get Scaife, I would have asked for Ryan Maric instead of F3.

Maric is worth a hell of a lot more than a F3, I wouldnt give him up for less than pick 20ish

Im not even gonna respond to the rest of your Barrass valuation lmao

 

[Snoref]

Its not about just taking what we can get, its also about not getting bent over. If we take unders for a contracted vice captain and one of the best KPDs in the comp how does that make us look?

I could frame it the other way too, is 13+f1 for Barrass+f2 such massive overs for the Hawks that theyd pass up an A-grade KPD who theyve offered 4+1 years to on big money?

The contract offer has been very public too, that would affect how other prospective targets deal with them in the future too.
Knowing that the Hawks refused to pay up what is not an unreasonable price for a player theyve offered a contract to and been talking to for months is an awful look

So you're willing to cut off your nose to spite your face, not get any picks, keep a 29 year old and take development time away from Edwards just to not accept pick 13 and change? Just so you can say we didn't get bent over? When in reality you didn't..

If I was a rebuilding club I know what I would do...but I guess we have to agree to disagree..

 

[THE_GUN]

So you're willing to cut off your nose to spite your face, not get any picks, keep a 29 year old and take development time away from Edwards just to not accept pick 13 and change? Just so you can say we didn't get bent over? When in reality you didn't..

If I was a rebuilding club I know what I would do...but I guess we have to agree to disagree..

Nah just flexing

They will take it and shake hands

 

[triple treat]

I got a question, why is the Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

Age

29

Ht

197cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

6.1

5star

T

0.9

3star

MG

158.5

3star

D

10.1

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

5.6

5star

T

0.3

1star

MG

139.6

2star

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

0.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

thread still “speculation” and not been changed to trade request to Hawthorn and turned green ( same as Battle)?

 

[stallon]

So you're willing to cut off your nose to spite your face, not get any picks, keep a 29 year old and take development time away from Edwards just to not accept pick 13 and change? Just so you can say we didn't get bent over? When in reality you didn't..

If I was a rebuilding club I know what I would do...but I guess we have to agree to disagree..

You guys are going into a period where you want to attract top end talent to round out your list and go for premierships. Why do you think you can go around screwing over a genuine A-grader over the loose change in the trade?

13+F1 for Barrass+F2 is not even unreasonable lmao why would any manager or player trust you after that?

The only way you could see the F1 for F2 thing being unreasonable is if you actually genuinely expect to be a worse team next year with Barrass and Battle added along with natural progression, there is no other explanation for it. I dont think thats the case

The eagles wont be better after losing Barrass and all the senior guys being a year older, so that F2 should be close to pick 20.
Whats the cost to trade pick 20 up to 15? pick 30ish?

Come on dude get real here lmao the way you Hawks blokes talk its like youre the Geelong list manager haggling over pick 70something last year

 

[TylerDurden]

I got a question, why is the Tom Barrass thread still “speculation” and not been changed to trade request to Hawthorn and turned green ( same as Battle)?

On point.

 

[Snoref]

You guys are going into a period where you want to attract top end talent to round out your list and go for premierships. Why do you think you can go around screwing over a genuine A-grader over the loose change in the trade?

13+F1 for Barrass+F2 is not even unreasonable lmao why would any manager or player trust you after that?

The only way you could see the F1 for F2 thing being unreasonable is if you actually genuinely expect to be a worse team next year with Barrass and Battle added along with natural progression, there is no other explanation for it. I dont think thats the case

The eagles wont be better after losing Barrass and all the senior guys being a year older, so that F2 should be close to pick 20.
Whats the cost to trade pick 20 up to 15? pick 30ish?

Come on dude get real here lmao the way you Hawks blokes talk its like youre the Geelong list manager haggling over pick 70something last year

For one, future picks are speculations see Collingwood trade with us for Ginni and how that backfired. You cope a few injuries and bad form and you could drop quite quickly, especially considering hiw close the league is.second is we are also taking a gamble on a 29 year old already that is also a risk, so risk on risk is probably not preferred.

Dealing with this year's pick we know what we have and what we are dealing with...who know WC might jump up the ladder then what?

 

[THE_GUN]

F1 next year could just as easily end up pick #12 again and the eagles 2nd rounder could end up #25
Eagles will apply for PP picks and free agent compo picks etc.

Hawks would be absolutely stupid to even consider trading the #12+F2
List managers are not that silly

Barrass for #12+ F3 is a fair price and both sides will be happy
but the eagles supporters here wont be and im afraid the eagles supporters will be devasted with just about every trade Matty Clarke does this year.

 

[Barrybran]

For one, future picks are speculations see Collingwood trade with us for Ginni and how that backfired. You cope a few injuries and bad form and you could drop quite quickly, especially considering hiw close the league is.second is we are also taking a gamble on a 29 year old already that is also a risk, so risk on risk is probably not preferred.

Dealing with this year's pick we know what we have and what we are dealing with...who know WC might jump up the ladder then what?

You're right. Future picks are a risk. We could be giving up pick 19 to get pick 18 as well.

 

[stallon]

For one, future picks are speculations see Collingwood trade with us for Ginni and how that backfired. You cope a few injuries and bad form and you could drop quite quickly, especially considering hiw close the league is.second is we are also taking a gamble on a 29 year old already that is also a risk, so risk on risk is probably not preferred.

Dealing with this year's pick we know what we have and what we are dealing with...who know WC might jump up the ladder then what?

Draft picks are also risks, everything is a risk. We could take a spud with your pick 13 and you could take a gun with our F2

 

[lordbob]

Anything is possble with draft picks, lets just make it 3 rookie picks and a future 4th then.