MRP / Trib. Tom Stewart bump on Prestia - 4 weeks to freshen up

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Yes afl tables has just caught up in the last few minutes

That 119 is a very lucky number two

 

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Think we'd be wise to ignore arguing over the 3 gradations made by the MRO.

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With the AFL likely to push for 4 I think trying to argue gradation down to high and thus 2 weeks will be met with a very strong counter argument as that'll be seen as far too weak a sanction.
Instead using below to ensure it isn't more than 3 is the better idea.

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The long version of we will make it up as we go along.

 

[cats_09]

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I think a good argument for Stewart, albeit one the tribunal probably won't care about because... well they just don't, is it was a football action.
Sure it was late and the ball was gone but EVERY contest like that ends up with the player who released the ball getting that bump to stop overlap run.
It just so happened that Stew copped him high and knocked him out.
I had my grading incorrect yesterday, it should be no more than 3 weeks (high, high and careless).

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This really is not fair, or even correct.

Prestia does not have a brittle glass jaw as his jaw was not affected.
His brain however was smashing around against the inside of his skull....

Reckon the young lad Warhorse is on a fishing expedition there. Don't buy into it

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The guilty plea is to prevent having to send someone to tribunal but he's already going so there's no guarantee of lesser sentence if he pleads guilty.

I think he actually may argue not severe, but I think he'll lose that one

What have they actually looked at to grade that severe?? Did they have a medical report of prestias symptoms?? I doubt so, just said “ looks severe” or I will get a lashing from the media if I don’t …

Need a much better more sophisticated way of classifying such instances for consistently.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What have they actually looked at to grade that severe?? Did they have a medical report of prestias symptoms?? I doubt so, just said “ looks severe” or I will get a lashing from the media if I don’t …

Need a much better more sophisticated way of classifying such instances for consistently.

Probably the part where he got knocked unconscious by the contact

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think a good argument for Stewart, albeit one the tribunal probably won't care about because... well they just don't, is it was a football action.
Sure it was late and the ball was gone but EVERY contest like that ends up with the player who released the ball getting that bump to stop overlap run.
It just so happened that Stew copped him high and knocked him out.
I had my grading incorrect yesterday, it should be no more than 3 weeks (high, high and careless).

I agree with this. It should be classified careless because initiating a bump to a player who you are already running at full pace who has given off a handball just moments before is often a situation where you either lay a bump to prevent them receiving a link up possession, which given the way the ball is flicked around these days is pretty common.

If he raised his elbow or shoulder aiming to hit the head then he deserves the book thrown at him, but he didn’t do this and should only receive 2-3 weeks.

If prestia got up and played on there is a chance he would get off entirely. A bit of hysteria based off prestia being subbed out and the value of the game

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Probably the part where he got knocked unconscious by the contact

Are all concussions graded severe?? There are also different degrees of concussions based on how the person responds and to what extent they experience symptoms. Prestia could be fine and back training today symptom free.. these things should factor into it if they want to assess how severe it was they should gather adequate evidence first

 

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What have they actually looked at to grade that severe?? Did they have a medical report of prestias symptoms?? I doubt so, just said “ looks severe” or I will get a lashing from the media if I don’t …

Need a much better more sophisticated way of classifying such instances for consistently.

The vision of Prestia staggering all over the MCG for 3 minutes in part because the Richmond medical staff didn't have the game stopped and bring on a stretcher.Piss poor effort I thought on their behalf.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Are all concussions graded severe?? There are also different degrees of concussions based on how the person responds and to what extent they experience symptoms. Prestia could be fine and back training today symptom free.. these things should factor into it if they want to assess how severe it was they should gather adequate evidence first

It's hard to measure exactly, but if he's out before his feet hit the ground then I don't think you have measure anything.

He won't get away with high severity I don't think.

 

[Cataholic]

Are all concussions graded severe?? There are also different degrees of concussions based on how the person responds and to what extent they experience symptoms. Prestia could be fine and back training today symptom free.. these things should factor into it if they want to assess how severe it was they should gather adequate evidence first

That concussion was more severe than a lot of others you see.

 

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It's hard to measure exactly, but if he's out before his feet hit the ground then I don't think you have measure anything.

He won't get away with high severity I don't think.

What I don't get is that in most?cases where there is head contact and concussion considered to be severe the stretcher is out and a neck brace fitted as a precaution, the actions of the Tiger medical staff to me indicated they were not to concerned about his condition at all.On that I'd hope to pursue high not severe.

 

[Cataholic]

What I don't get is that in most?cases where there is head contact and concussion considered to be severe the stretcher is out and a neck brace fitted as a precaution, the actions of the Tiger medical staff to me indicated they were not to concerned about his condition at all.On that I'd hope to pursue high not severe.

The reactions of the medical staff have no bearing on the action though.

They'll view footage of the impact only, and make their determination based on that.

 

[you pick one]

The reactions of the medical staff have no bearing on the action though.

They'll view footage of the impact only, and make their determination based on that.

Agreed not the action but will feed into the severity along with the doctors report.

 

[Cataholic]

Agreed not the action but will feed into the severity along with the doctors report.

I'm just not sure the Tribunal will be looking for any mitigation........

 

[cat_fanatic]

Are all concussions graded severe?? There are also different degrees of concussions based on how the person responds and to what extent they experience symptoms. Prestia could be fine and back training today symptom free.. these things should factor into it if they want to assess how severe it was they should gather adequate evidence first

Spot on.

His heads still on, his jaw in tact. There's a lot more damage that could have been done yet the grading is maxed out at severe. It's high and we should argue this at the tribunal. Probably won't though.

 

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I'm just not sure the Tribunal will be looking for any mitigation........

Cats barrister should be.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What I don't get is that in most?cases where there is head contact and concussion considered to be severe the stretcher is out and a neck brace fitted as a precaution, the actions of the Tiger medical staff to me indicated they were not to concerned about his condition at all.On that I'd hope to pursue high not severe.

Yeah the medical staff there will have some pointed questions thrown their way, as well as the richmond player who kicked instead of stopping and pointing it out to the umpires

 

[Cataholic]

Cats barrister should be.

Of course, but after all the outcry I think the Tribunal will be too pre-occupied with determining a punishment that will placate everyone to really care about what is said by the barrister.

 

[Spearman]

I wonder what the Tiger players were thinking when they saw Prestia down. I don't recall seeing much reactions one way or the other. You'd think one of them would have gone to him a some point when play was stopped at least. And none that I saw went to Stewart. Just a bizarre scene all around with the non-stoppage.


EDIT: saw a better replay, there was a player near him obviously concerned, so good on that guy. Has there been any updates on Prestia's condition?

 

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I wonder what the Tiger players were thinking when they saw Prestia down. I don't recall seeing much reactions one way or the other. You'd think one of them would have gone to him a some point when play was stopped at least. And none that I saw went to Stewart. Just a bizarre scene all around with the non-stoppage.

The whole episode was so innocuous at the time it occurred considering the repercussions.

 

[Nickoo]

What’s the difference between this legal from on hit by Mumford and Tom Stewart’s act? As far as I can see it’s because Prestia is shorter.




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[Vdubs]

Robbo and DKing think 5-6 weeks- to stamp out head bumps , and because...
Tribunal is aware of popular and media opinion, given the trime frame.
If he gets "only" 3 weeks, we can consider us very fortunate.
Danger got 3 for a probable lesser knock.

 

[Cataholic]

What’s the difference between this legal from on hit by Mumford and Tom Stewart’s act? As far as I can see it’s because Prestia is shorter.




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I was there that day, and as close as you could possibly be to that incident.

Mummy hit him as hard as a freight train.