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Do you mean as commentators or doing special comments ?
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Do you mean as commentators or doing special comments ?
Apologies I thought you were asking why I had the belief that the numbers were small (ie what was that based on). I didn't realised you were asking why I thought this was so.
There would be a lot of reasons starting with industry entrance bias by females and extending to industry acceptance bias by males and all the same reasons as to why women are under represented in board rooms. Some of them self perpetuating and understandable or statistically relevant based on mothers leaving the workforce and some outrageously biased and unacceptable. It's not something I can answer properly in a big footy post to be honest.
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Sam Lane and Emma Quayle.
The latter is the one sports Journo that knows her shit. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I value her opinions come draft time better than anyone elses, and by a considerable margin.
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Let's be honest, there are too many whit males in everything.
As a white male myself, I think we should all just leave the country en masse. If there are no white males, then the blame for all the world's ills will have to land on someone else.
Just kidding, it'll still be on us.
As a white male myself, I think we should all just leave the country en masse. If there are no white males, then the blame for all the world's ills will have to land on someone else.
Just kidding, it'll still be on us.
I'd like to see more of Neroli Meadows, I know she does work on the ABC but Fox Footy could get her on a program from time to time and I wouldn't complain,s he is excellent.
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It was a list of anti Swans commentators, Hamish barely talks about us
No commentators, and special comments only on their teams
That way you get a balanced call (not barracking), with fair critique on the performance
Is there evidence to suggest they don't get an opportunity at community radio or are you going for the "vibe"?
Do you think there's anywhere near as many females as males in sports broadcasting looking to get their foot in the door at the bottom?
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They have. She fronts a program after the footy on Saturday nights. She's good.
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You're the one who suggested that the explanation for fewer at AFL level was all of the men doing the "hard yards" at lower levels. Do you have evidence for that? Do you think it's reasonable that neanderthals think women's voices "are too high pitched and whiny" for the AFL, then some at community radio stations might feel the same way? Yes, it's only a guess, but I reckon women might find it harder to break in at any level.
Dunstall is one of the best commentators of football. He is a former elite player and legend of the game, very successful football administrator (got the Hawks back on track), very articulate and knowledgeable about football and unlike most commentators doesn't have any annoying catchphrases or traits. Not to mention when he plays his Chief character on Triple M he's a pisser.
Couldn't read the whole article after I got through the sections about nobody making a fuss about the female NRL commentators doing a good job and "ignorant white men" taking about Adam Goodes.
There is a lack of diversity in AFL media, but this article is pure derogatory horseshit.
There is a lack of diversity in AFL media, but this article is pure derogatory horseshit.
I have no issue with whoever being a commentor , special comments or footy analysis person on tv as long as they are the best. As it stands now however more than half of the footy people on TV need the sack as there are many radio counterparts doing a much, much better job. Sam Lane however is absolutely shithouse and shouldn't be on radio or tv for the same reason i shouldn't be. Her voice isn't suited to it.
Having Papalia commentate a couple of West Coast games recently has been great. It's been actual commentary on tv rather than the bullshit circle jerk of special comments and bruce masturbating over cyril.
Having Papalia commentate a couple of West Coast games recently has been great. It's been actual commentary on tv rather than the bullshit circle jerk of special comments and bruce masturbating over cyril.
The discussion is specifically on the AFL media. The journalist didn't attack community radio for not providing entry level opportunities.
The AFL media, when hiring callers, will have a pool of candidates. This pool of candidates will require, and subsequently have, reasonable experience broadcasting sporting events. If there are no females in this pool or that meet this criteria, the AFL media can't hire them.
Now, community radio MAY have issues providing equal opportunity, but that's irrelevant to this discussion.
If I'm hiring a new mechanic to join my team of primarily males, and 12 of the applicants are male and just 1 female. Then odds significantly favour that I'm going to be hiring a male, and I'm not to blame for the lack of skilled female candidates.
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it's a white mans world why would they hire anyone else except for a few tokens every few years?
Host - sure. Already happens on Fox and with Bec Maddern on the footy show
Reporter - yep, happens across the TV and radio networks and in the papers
Boundary reporter - should be more, Christie Malthouse was a pro.
But:
Commentator: Kelli Underwood was underwhelming. She called so many Geelong games and acted like a fan of the cats players without knowing the other team. She wasn't really all that worse than the blokes but she wasn't great. Someone else should get a shot but how many young women are out there calling games at local levels? I know it's a matter of the glass ceiling putting women off but surely some have to be trying?
Special comments: I think here the issue is expertise. Ex AFL coaches and players do this job and some are truly experts on the game. Others aren't. Some are stuck with 90's views on footy, others have gone too far with analysis. But why would they give someone who's never played at the elite level (regardless of sex) this job when they can have ex champions with hundreds of games experience? Now an elite level women's league has been established in time there will be women who have played 150 games of football under professional coaches and will have the CV's to say they are experts on the game.
Reporter - yep, happens across the TV and radio networks and in the papers
Boundary reporter - should be more, Christie Malthouse was a pro.
But:
Commentator: Kelli Underwood was underwhelming. She called so many Geelong games and acted like a fan of the cats players without knowing the other team. She wasn't really all that worse than the blokes but she wasn't great. Someone else should get a shot but how many young women are out there calling games at local levels? I know it's a matter of the glass ceiling putting women off but surely some have to be trying?
Special comments: I think here the issue is expertise. Ex AFL coaches and players do this job and some are truly experts on the game. Others aren't. Some are stuck with 90's views on footy, others have gone too far with analysis. But why would they give someone who's never played at the elite level (regardless of sex) this job when they can have ex champions with hundreds of games experience? Now an elite level women's league has been established in time there will be women who have played 150 games of football under professional coaches and will have the CV's to say they are experts on the game.
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To be fair, the people on tv are absolutely not the best people available. They're all former footballers...or CEOs brothers.
In the entertainment industry, the best mightn't mean the most accurate, or least annoying.
They are professional commentators, McAvaney, Hudson, Whately, Lane etc also do Olympics, Horse racing and other sports, we do have professionals working in sports media here in Australia. I have no problem with women being involved, as a i stated we used to have boundary riders , but let's not just pluck one out as a token gesture to please the PC crowd. It does work well in T20 and the girls have been very knowledgeable and i agree many women know more about the game than the blokes in the outer.
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Derm is astute, but he talks to us like we're lucky to be listening to him.
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Naturally. The pathways for allowing opportunity must change, however, but once again the article does nothing but moan, rather than suggest alternatives.
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haha that may be true but doesn't change the fact he's usually right
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