Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

[footyfan000001]

We are all gutted and rightly so - Stringer came to the club with Macrae and then the Bont and it was those three draft picks that gave a lot of us hope when we were struggling. And it's hard to go past Stringers freakish ability. Who can forget his 6 goal haul against the crows? Or his goal from 50 off one step against the crows in the elimination final? Or his goal against the lions after breaking through 4 tacklers? Those three boys probably hurt the most in terms of being traded as they gave all dogs fans the chance to see the light at the end of the tunnel and also to see him as part of our premiership. He will be missed but unfortunately we just need to trust in our board and Bevo that we're making the right call. We still have a young fella by the name of Tim English to come through who may be the best of the lot. Stick fat dogs fans and back the club in! Or at least try to...

 

[razorwick]

Will be great lining up in round one next year like

McLean Bontempelli Dahlhaus
Wallis Boyd Picken

Midfielders everywhere

Wallis, talk about flying under the radar.
Should be the 1st one shopped around

 

[TMoney22]

Bloody hell each day i come on things get worse. That article with Bevo's quotes kills me. There just has to be more to it as some have said. Same thing with Crameri, you gotta work this stuff out internally and not let it get to this point. Surely every team deals with this stuff every year. We look so amateur.

Even when Stringer was playing crap, he takes the a very good defender and opposition plan around him. No matter his form. Now opposition defenses will eat us alive. Picken and Dickson are hanging on to the cliff. Cloke and Redpath are depth players, Boyd who knows but he will still take time. Going to have to be very creative next season. No point getting another big like Wright or similar, he and Boyd wont be able to play in the same forward line.

Our list is unbalanced. It will take 6 years to draft and develop KPF's. No gun KPF will want to come to us. And those that say Franklin, Danger, etc left and they were fine - thats bullcrap because, Hawks had Roughead and Gunston, Adelaide had Sloan and Crouch brothers. Who do we have to replace Stringer in the forward line, nobody. Its a massive loss that will hurt us

Collingwood, or more Buckley surely wouldnt be interested in Stringer. He got rid of the rat pack for the same reasons - but the rat pack were very different from Stringer, they partied hard and still played and trained hard.

 

[Doggy]

Will be great lining up in round one next year like

McLean Bontempelli Dahlhaus
Wallis Boyd Picken

Midfielders everywhere

Worked well this year

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Ok first post on this, people really need to calm the farm on the whole if he leaves we are doomed and how bad it will be seeing him in another teams jumper, what about when Hawks lost there fav budy and that would have been hard, the crows lost the best player in the comp last year and look at them now, I know jake will end up a really really good player, but without devulging anything really, I know a few things with what they are seeking to do in regards to not JMac, but what Gords has planned and if it works out then the media will be left to eat their idiotic words and we will be left to feel happier about 2018.

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Bloody hell each day i come on things get worse. That article with Bevo's quotes kills me. There just has to be more to it as some have said. Same thing with Crameri, you gotta work this stuff out internally and not let it get to this point. Surely every team deals with this stuff every year. We look so amateur.

Even when Stringer was playing crap, he takes the a very good defender and opposition plan around him. No matter his form. Now opposition defenses will eat us alive. Picken and Dickson are hanging on to the cliff. Cloke and Redpath are depth players, Boyd who knows but he will still take time. Going to have to be very creative next season. No point getting another big like Wright or similar, he and Boyd wont be able to play in the same forward line.

Our list is unbalanced. It will take 6 years to draft and develop KPF's. No gun KPF will want to come to us. And those that say Franklin, Danger, etc left and they were fine - thats bullcrap because, Hawks had Roughead and Gunston, Adelaide had Sloan and Crouch brothers. Who do we have to replace Stringer in the forward line, nobody. Its a massive loss that will hurt us

Collingwood, or more Buckley surely wouldnt be interested in Stringer. He got rid of the rat pack for the same reasons - but the rat pack were very different from Stringer, they partied hard and still played and trained hard.

It does matter about the Hawks and crows lost as they at the time were the BEST players in the comp at the time no matter who else they had.

 

[True Dog]

Bloody hell each day i come on things get worse. That article with Bevo's quotes kills me. There just has to be more to it as some have said. Same thing with Crameri, you gotta work this stuff out internally and not let it get to this point. Surely every team deals with this stuff every year. We look so amateur.

Even when Stringer was playing crap, he takes the a very good defender and opposition plan around him. No matter his form. Now opposition defenses will eat us alive. Picken and Dickson are hanging on to the cliff. Cloke and Redpath are depth players, Boyd who knows but he will still take time. Going to have to be very creative next season. No point getting another big like Wright or similar, he and Boyd wont be able to play in the same forward line.

Our list is unbalanced. It will take 6 years to draft and develop KPF's. No gun KPF will want to come to us. And those that say Franklin, Danger, etc left and they were fine - thats bullcrap because, Hawks had Roughead and Gunston, Adelaide had Sloan and Crouch brothers. Who do we have to replace Stringer in the forward line, nobody. Its a massive loss that will hurt us

Collingwood, or more Buckley surely wouldnt be interested in Stringer. He got rid of the rat pack for the same reasons - but the rat pack were very different from Stringer, they partied hard and still played and trained hard.

Who knows who we have in mind to replace Jake, could two top ten picks get Patton or Cameron out of GWS? Or Lynch or two metre Peter out of Gold Coast? Maybe Gunston will wear red white and blue next season, Hawthorn are in need of picks? Guess we'll have to wait and see and asses the club once we know the outcome?

 

[True Dog]

Ok first post on this, people really need to calm the farm on the whole if he leaves we are doomed and how bad it will be seeing him in another teams jumper, what about when Hawks lost there fav budy and that would have been hard, the crows lost the best player in the comp last year and look at them now, I know jake will end up a really really good player, but without devulging anything really, I know a few things with what they are seeking to do in regards to not JMac, but what Gords has planned and if it works out then the media will be left to eat their idiotic words and we will be left to feel happier about 2018.

Yes, this is my point, let's see what happens and go from there... now tell us what you know or heard haha

 

[Mattdougie]

He baits everyone else, and that was his direct quote to me in another thread. Surely if he can give it out, then he can take it.

Lol diddums keep flapping

 

[immortalmike]

Mark Maclure and David King have praised the move.
You just know this is the wrong move now!

 

[Struggle]

Who knows who we have in mind to replace Jake, could two top ten picks get Patton or Cameron out of GWS? Or Lynch or two metre Peter out of Gold Coast? Maybe Gunston will wear red white and blue next season, Hawthorn are in need of picks? Guess we'll have to wait and see and asses the club once we know the outcome?

Patton would never come here, still dirty that we pulled the offer after he ****ed his knee again

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Yes, this is my point, let's see what happens and go from there... now tell us what you know or heard haha

They have a big trade to play out if it goes to plan, just keep the faith that they are trying.

 

[dogwatch]

WTF? I go out for a few hours and there's another 300 posts in this thread. One a minute.

They'd better be good...

 

[Dry Rot]

WTF? I go out for a few hours and there's another 300 posts in this thread. One a minute.

They'd better be good...

There's one great one with the best episode of Pizza, and the rest are shit especially the MD square up posts and his replies.

A lot of people here belong in a creche.

 

[Mattdougie]

There's one great one with the best episode of Pizza, and the rest are shit especially the MD square up posts and his replies.

A lot of people here belong in a creche.

What??? I've been good

Even was nice to Jong

 

[TimlinOfficial]

Very sad news about Stringer. The photo of him and Bont with the cup has suddenly become rather heart wrenching. Looking towards the positives, I'd like to believe the following realistic eventuations would lead us back up the ladder next season:

Back Line
- Jackson Trengove comes in as a FA - fills a spot down back to take the biggest forward
- Morris hopefully doesn't brake an arm and a leg again (...), leaving him available for most/all of the season (a huge win)
- Wood continues being Wood
- Cordy continues to develop after what most would agree was a quite promising 2017
- Biggs follows on from his strong form in the back half of this season
- Williams continues to develop into the quality rebounder most see him becoming
- JJ continues being JJ (take out the 4-5 week dip midseason and he was pretty decent)

Midfield
- Wallis returns to 2015/16 form with a full preseason
- Libba commits to his preparation and returns to the player we know he can be (also, the stuff about Libba and Wallis being unable to play well together in the same team is nonsense: we were #1 contested side in the league, in no small part due to these two, and lost just 4 of 15 games where both played)
- Dahlhaus, Hunter and Macrae continue being themselves
- Bont, with an uninterrupted preseason and less time up forward, becomes one of top 3 or 4 mids in the comp
- Dale, Daniel, McLean, Dunkley continue to improve
- Jong returns (had a strong start to the season)

Ruck
- Stef Martin traded in for pick 26 (hopeful but not unrealistic, imo) (alternatively, hopefully Roughy returns to 2016 form following an uninterrupted preseason)

Forward Line
- Adams is freed up forward following Trengove's addition (provides a great marking target with a good, long kick and decent forward pressure too)
- Boyd allowed to play predominantly up forward via Martin's addition and is supported well by Adams to become a genuine weekly threat
- Dickson with an uninterrupted preseason returns to something similar to 2015/2016 form (he's not that old, fingers crossed he isn't cooked)
- Picken plays more permanently forward and hopefully builds on his 24 goals in 2017
- The likes of Dale, McLean, Daniel, Hunter and Dahl provide reliable avenues to goal rotating from the forward line

The doom and gloom at present is understandable given things have not at all gone as hoped. However, this list won a Premiership 12 months ago. The silver lining in the fact that we had a dip this season is that we know the potential in the players exists for them to take the Club back to the top. Should Stringer leave*, 19 of 22 Flag winners remain on the list, most of whom are young enough to improve further, with only three or so likely to regress with age.

Of course, these forecasts all rely on some luck with injuries which has clearly eluded us for some time (surely we're due some fortune?!). Also, there's almost no chance of all these coming off but I think most would agree that the majority are more likely than not, indicating the great scope for improvement on 2017. Furthermore, of course, there will likely be significant positives that aren't forecast in this list. As the saying goes, things are never as good as they seem (we've seen that this year), and things are never as bad as they seem (hopefully we see that next year).

*All of this has assumed Stringer leaves but hasn't accounted for any benefits accrued in his trade because such things are too ambiguous atm

 

[Astro_]

Gonna be absolutely gutted if Stringer leaves. I know he has his issues but he is still a 2016 premiership player.

With talent to burn. There are other ways to make an example to this playing group.

 

[Mattdougie]

They have a big trade to play out if it goes to plan, just keep the faith that they are trying.

We are the worst traders in the league mate

 

[Astro_]

We are the worst traders in the league mate

We pulled a massive coup in late 2014 when it was doom and gloom, you don't know what the club has planned. Need to be ruthless

 

[Mattdougie]

We pulled a massive coup in late 2014 when it was doom and gloom, you don't know what the club has planned. Need to be ruthless

Mate Tom Boyd has been far from a massive coup

Take the one game out( yes I know it was a gf and will last forever) he has been a resounding failure so far.

I do hope he comes good

 

[Cadillac]

Patton would never come here, still dirty that we pulled the offer after he ****** his knee again

Mate, take Patton out of GWS and he wouldn't be anything special. He's surrounded by stars that force opposition clubs to put less time into him.

 

[Cadillac]

Mate, take Patton out of GWS and he wouldn't be anything special. He's surrounded by stars that force opposition clubs to put less time into him.

 

[hutchy31]

So you could argue a couple of things could happen:

1. Bevo knows what he's doing and he's confident the club and playing group will support him. Jake must have exhausted his patience and was/is bad for the culture so Bevo is doing the right thing and it will make the club stronger. This will become apparent when the dogs build into finals next year and open a flag window for the next 3-5 years.
2. Bevo has made a massive mistake by getting a great player off our list and the club handled the fallout poorly. Stringer will go on to be a star and it hastens Bevo's departure and the club needs wholesale changes to make it competitive again. 2016 was a flash in the pan and we're back to square one.

My guess is it's closer to 1 than 2, but even if it is 2 then how lucky were we as supporters that during a time when the club was run poorly and we had a maverick coach prone to knee-jerk decisions that we actually managed to jag a flag? That's genuinely not sarcasm - if Bevo does turn out to be a bust, like some are intimating here based on the past 12 months, then the stars properly aligned last year and we made out like bandits.

I was critical of many things involving Bevo and the club during the season - principally MC decisions that didn't make sense, a lack of a cohesive gameplan and an apparent lack of effort across the board. But until we know how this has come about and how it all shakes out it's impossible to call it a positive or a negative.

Also, as someone who's more than a decade older than Stringer but who also has a young family, I think the duty of care mentioned in Bevo's comments is particularly important. I hope Jake sorts himself out and if that has to be at a different club then he'll go with my blessing and I hope he makes a go of it. Short of him kicking a bag in a final to eliminate the dogs I'll be happy to see him play well elsewhere.

 

[lateniter]

This is good news as it shows the players that no one is indispensable and it's time to get back to hard work. I would suggest that Libba is feeling a little concerned on one hand as well as relieved on the other hand that his head wasn't first on the chopping block.

The talking heads on AFL 360 tonight, including the person to whom Beveridge spoke, Mark Robinson, were pretty sure it was player driven.
They thought the players were sick of Stringer turning up late for training, or whatever.
It might serve as a warning for other players, but it doesn't look like that was the intent.

 

[ivan rassmussen]

If VD is correct, can't wait until next year to extend Bont. 5+ extension needs to be finalised asap. He and 4-year Trengove are now our building blocks... uh oh...