Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[mattwa]

Let’s say Dicko holds his form/body next year and we get Bruce...

Schache, Naughton, Dale
Dickson, Bruce, Lloyd

That’s a dynamic and dangerous forward line. Schache can roam up the ground and be a mobile marking option.

If Dicko is cooked we have a rotating mid in that spot

That fwd line would struggle to lock the ball inside 50. West coast surround all the talls with 3 elite quick smalls in rioli, cripps and ryan. Lloyd isnt the quickest and dale isnt a pressure forward player not sure how it would work in a game

 

[Northernsoul74]

Cameron free agent next year. Let's not worry about Bruce and Keath. Put there $$$ together and go for Cameron this year. If he says he is out they better off dealing now then the free agent pick.

Anyone ever heard any chat about us and Finlayson? One of the guys I catch up with at games reckons there’s an interest there. He does know a few people but certainly not ITK.

 

[Ash1337]

Langdon confirmed dees? phew. Glad that's over. I think if what is reported is true then Dogs should get Martin.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

Stick with the following strategies IMO

- Trade for moneyball veterans who are selfless, perform a role, support/give time for junior player development (Dureya, Trengove, Suckling and Lloyd)
- Go to draft and get the best talent (English, Lipinski, Naughton, Richards, Smith and West)
- Avoid over-priced trade targets at all costs (Tippa, Martin ...)

Bolded strategy 1st priority!

 

[grassman75]

Yep, I reckon we could pick him up for a packet of chips and a can of ... oh wait ... how about Pepsi?

Who nose?

 

[TommyD13]

Only trades we should be doing are cheap ones that don’t cost us early picks or any of our elite young talent. That includes Bailey Williams


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[dogspur]

I still believe in Mitch Wallis, and think too many people have written him off. Dicko has one year left at best, and Wallis still seems like the most natural replacement as a pressure-applying deadeye. Also an experienced leader, which is invaluable for a young team like ours.

 

[TommyD13]

Reported Williams close to re-signing. I’d be keeping him, Dale and Dickson. Assuming Morris retires and we delist Roberts and Webb, we will have 5 list spots heading into the trade period


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[Northernsoul74]

Langdon confirmed dees? phew. Glad that's over. I think if what is reported is true then Dogs should get Martin.

At $750k a year?

 

[fronkalicious]

Don’t sweat us potentially spending cap on guys like AMT, Martin or Keath.

We have more than enough to retain our guys long term, and are we seriously going to prise Jeremy Cameron out of Sydney? They’ve done a spectacular job keeping the guys they really want to. I’d be shocked if he left.

So who else do we spend on? Coniglio just knocked back around $3mill over the life of the deal to stay. The big dogs earn so much cash now regardless, why would they up and move for just a few hundred thousand extra a year (as crazy as that sounds to punters like us).

 

[Dogsman16]

Only trades we should be doing are cheap ones that don’t cost us early picks or any of our elite young talent. That includes Bailey Williams


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Think nows the time to throw the absolute kitchen sink at available KPP's. And if we have to make space to get AMT we do that as well. If williams is needed to be moved on for AMT so be it.

We get a top 5 talent next season with our NGA. Nows the time to throw 2m dollars worth of salary cap and that should IMO be pretty evenly distributed to Bruce, Keath and AMT.

We should be moving heaven and earth for sustained success and top 4 finishes.

 

[ossie_21]

Stick with the following strategies IMO

- Trade for moneyball veterans who are selfless, perform a role, support/give time for junior player development (Dureya, Trengove, Suckling and Lloyd)
- Go to draft and get the best talent (English, Lipinski, Naughton, Richards, Smith and West)
- Avoid over-priced trade targets at all costs (Tippa, Martin ...)

Bolded strategy 1st priority!

We don’t need more 18 year olds needing development. If we can fill the right needs (KPD, small forward & outside mid with foot skills), we are balls deep in a premiership window

 

[Erect]

If we somehow got Bruce for less than a first rounder, we'd seriously be laughing. Genuinely good player, also isn't really the slow lumbering type so we could play all of Naughton, Schache and Bruce in the same forward line. I don't think we can move Naughton to the back-line, he's showing so much promise up forward knowing little forward craft. Imagine after a few preseasons learning the craft and tidying up his set shot routine...

 

[dogspur]

We should be all into Whitfield at the end of next year if he has a contract saga. Could reunite him with his Vic Metro mate Macrae.

Already mentioned Fyfe as an unrealistic candidate, but we should be looking to make a massive play for a big name player. To this day, Aker past his peak is probably the closest we've come to doing this in recent memory. Need to land that one big fish just to show we can, and solidify ourselves as a destination club, that fans hate, but gun players want to join to win trophies.

 

[Dogsman16]

If we somehow got Bruce for less than a first rounder, we'd seriously be laughing. Genuinely good player, also isn't really the slow lumbering type so we could play all of Naughton, Schache and Bruce in the same forward line. I don't think we can move Naughton to the back-line, he's showing so much promise up forward knowing little forward craft. Imagine after a few preseasons learning the craft and tidying up his set shot routine...

Saints fans are super complimentary about Bruce's second efforts and his tackling pressure. He's not a defensive liability. 3 tall forwards can be done.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

What about when beveridge declared we were going to fix our key forward woes in the mid-season draft.......and all he had up his sleeve was Ryan Gardner.

They threw him straight in as the saviour and he had all of 12 possessions in 2 games (including 3 against the might of Carlton) before getting binned.

That’s seriously one of the most unexplainable periods in Beveridge’s history. Amazing how wrong they got it.

Beveridge actually said the above?

We reached into the first mid-season draft and went with a known quantity. I very much doubt that anybody at the club thought that Gardner was anybodies saviour, indeed he was this very boards consensus pick at the time and that he was thrown straight into the deep end was not a reflection on him nor Beveridge but with how the team as a whole was performing. I'll tell you what is amazing, since that time Beveridges has turned around the competitions most shambolic forward half and transformed it into one of its most potent. All with players that were either in the team at the time or serving penance in the twos for not adhering to the directives of the coaching panel.

Amazing.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Well done Coniglio. Seems like a terrific and loyal person along with a superstar player. Amazing how wrong Hawks supporters got. And that Carlton rumour thread

 

[stefoid]

Agree, I would play Naughton back if we landed Bruce (I’m not mad on the idea of Bruce by the way).

If Naughton played back, I legitimately think these 2 things are in play:

1. He breaks the all time record for contested marks in a season.

2. He polls 20 Brownlow votes.

He’s the best contested mark in the comp, playing as a forward. Imagine how many he’d gobble up going into contests where no ones trying to spoil.

As I’ve mentioned, I’m not convinced his goal-kicking will ever be competent. His field kicking was solid in defence last year though.

CHF for mine. Hes too much of an athlete to camp in the goal square. If we got bruce, Id shift Schache to full back maybe.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

The timing may be unfortunate, but Im actually happy that Coniglio signed on with GWS.

 

[Testekill]

If we somehow got Bruce for less than a first rounder, we'd seriously be laughing. Genuinely good player, also isn't really the slow lumbering type so we could play all of Naughton, Schache and Bruce in the same forward line. I don't think we can move Naughton to the back-line, he's showing so much promise up forward knowing little forward craft. Imagine after a few preseasons learning the craft and tidying up his set shot routine...

Yeah, three mobile tall forwards is an excellent idea. Bruce has a really good athletic base and is certainly not slow at all, Schache has a fair tank and covers a lot of ground and Naughton is much the same.

Just need to add pace and pressure from the smaller players; Dale is quick but needs to improve pressure acts but Cavarra is extremely good at both things. Just need a third one who is probably Lloyd.

 

[Bazza Bulldog]

We don’t need more 18 year olds needing development. If we can fill the right needs (KPD, small forward & outside mid with foot skills), we are balls deep in a premiership window

Personally can never get enough of the likes of ... English, Lipinski, Naughton, Richards, Smith and West (first 5 have been huge in the back half). We also have many players knocking the door down in the 2's (Williams, Gowers, Webb, Trengove ...). Bringing in the wrong outside player at this stage could do damage culturally.

One thing we agree on is that we are balls deep in it (with this list)!
If Geelong wins (on the back of a trade strategy I don't philosophically agree with) I stand corrected.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I wonder if the club is into Betts. Gonna be some mental changes at Adelaide. Think they’ll to pretty close to blowing it up and starting again.

 

[footyfan000001]

I wonder if the club is into Betts. Gonna be some mental changes at Adelaide. Think they’ll to pretty close to blowing it up and starting again.

Suns bound or stays at crows

 

[BEaston]

Our forward line might be so good after the off-season they'll need to rotate them through the midfield.

 

[CDBulldog]

That fwd line would struggle to lock the ball inside 50. West coast surround all the talls with 3 elite quick smalls in rioli, cripps and ryan. Lloyd isnt the quickest and dale isnt a pressure forward player not sure how it would work in a game

Good point but I have an alternative view. Our mids swarm forward and lock the ball in. In fact locking into our forward 50 hasn’t been a problem. One of the reasons it gets locked in is that we have in recent years not had enough marking threats so ball either comes to ground and it turns into a dog fight or would be marked by an oppo defender (in some games over and over again). Having marking threats up forward will work to Bevo’s gameplan. We either mark it up there or we bring it to ground and our mids and small forwards go to work.