Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Pugz89]

Both dogs and pies need picks this year so cant help but think it'll be a player swap if this happens

Future picks a possibility?

 

[Doggy]

Future picks a possibility?

I guess that can help with Jordan Croft next year.

But I don't like giving away a player for points for a draftee we will get regardless. Just seems a waste.

 

[doggy_dog]

I don’t think Lynch would come unless we laid out a plan for him to have serious best 22 role to play. We would likely need to convince him of us over Hawthorn. There’s no actual links to him anyway so maybe he’s not the type we’re after.

If hypothetically we are into him, we should be a much more attractive proposition. Better team, and only needs to beat out Sweet as opposed to McEvoy/Ceglar/Reeves

 

[immortalmike]

I’d be very very surprised if we saw Bruce next year, look how many weeks it took McLean to start to get up to match fit, Bruce is a 30yo 100kg bullocking KPP. Not a chance we’ll see him. But even still so long as we get a ruck a KPF shouldn’t be priority

I don't see why not. Grant did his at 31 and still came back in just over 9 months if memory serves me correctly. And he was easily 104ish kgs.

 

[Golden_6]

I’d be very very surprised if we saw Bruce next year, look how many weeks it took McLean to start to get up to match fit, Bruce is a 30yo 100kg bullocking KPP. Not a chance we’ll see him. But even still so long as we get a ruck a KPF shouldn’t be priority

I think he’ll be back. I’m not sure how good he’ll be but we’ll definitely see him at AFL level. They might take a bit more of a conservative approach given Toby’s re-injury (came back after 9 months).

ACL’s are usually a little bit quicker than 12 months these days so hopefully they target an early July return which gives 8 weeks or so before a finals start date to try and build some match fitness and form. He should have a solid enough fitness base before his return given he’ll be able to do a lot of straight line running before moving into football movements.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

If Bruce doesn't end up coming in near the end of next year, Sam Darcy could well be ready to make his debut. Kid could be anything, just needs to go on the Naughton bulking plan.

Two years of stunted development and he still needs to put on probably like 20kg of muscle, more than Naughton and Naughtons' took like four years.
He's also simply a less good prospect than JUH is, (a probable pick 3-4 vs a pick 1), and we saw how JUH wasn't ready for this season entirely.
We can rule out Darcy having any significant impact next year.

 

[Mofra]

What sort of ruck is Lynch? Don’t know a lot about him. Is he a genuine number 1? Can he play elsewhere on the ground or just ruck and bench? Contested marking? Mobile?

More of a number 1 than a number 2 (hence he's stuck behind Grundy and only played when Grundy is out).
Pies friend rate shim, says he's in the top handful in their pre-season time trials so he's got quite the tank for a big guy. I think he's a Bevo type but indications seem to be we're after someone older.

 

[BrunswickDog]

Is lipinski just a less accomplished version of Shaun Higgins

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Shaun Higgins

Age

36

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

21.8

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

?

Solid citizen, good foot skills, questionable pace, not overly hard at the ball or the man, good footy IQ.

 

[TBOW]

I'd do our first for Goldstein, 38 and their 2022 2nd.

Looks good for them as they technically get a 1st rounder for a club champion. We can them flick 2022 picks to someone for points for this year.

I guess that can help with Jordan Croft next year.

But I don't like giving away a player for points for a draftee we will get regardless. Just seems a waste.

Where is this notion that Croft will be a top pick coming from?
None of the draft watchers on the DT&FA board have even mentioned him amongst some pretty extensive lists of next years talent.

 

[LittleG]

More of a number 1 than a number 2 (hence he's stuck behind Grundy and only played when Grundy is out).
Pies friend rate shim, says he's in the top handful in their pre-season time trials so he's got quite the tank for a big guy. I think he's a Bevo type but indications seem to be we're after someone older.

I think he is ready. Aside from Nankervis, I can’t see a better ruckman that could be available. The others are all their teams number 1 and unless they have had a falling out over money or playing style, I can’t see them wanting to move.

 

[TBOW]

I'd do our first for Goldstein, 38 and their 2022 2nd.

Looks good for them as they technically get a 1st rounder for a club champion. We can them flick 2022 picks to someone for points for this year.

I would be happy with that - then maybe next year try to trade our first and Norths second up the order, or roll one of them over to 2023.

 

[Doggy]

Where is this notion that Croft will be a top pick coming from?
None of the draft watchers on the DT&FA board have even mentioned him amongst some pretty extensive lists of next years talent.

From here.

But regardless, if he's any good the points are still going towards paying for him wherever he is drafted

 

[stevieg1969]

Where is this notion that Croft will be a top pick coming from?
None of the draft watchers on the DT&FA board have even mentioned him amongst some pretty extensive lists of next years talent.

The Crofts are U16 this year. Their draft year is 2023.

 

[Doggy]

The Crofts are U16 this year. Their draft year is 2023.

Thought it was next year. I'm sure I saw that in the F/S thread

 

[doggies ftw]

Has a soccer background. He's smaller but more mobile/athletic than Sweet. Per an article Collingwood published, it looks like he finished third in each of their 2km time trials in the 2020 pre-season. His centre square work is good, he times his leaps well to get either the tap or body on his opponent and seems able to direct his taps well. Not as strong as the established rucks yet, but still does a decent job at ball ups and throw ins of winning or at least negating the other ruck. Not a great mark and hasn't shown much forward. Wouldn't say he's good with ball in hand but he's not a liability either. He's comfortably ahead of Young as a ruckman general and ahead of English in ruck work specifically. Although I think that probably applies to Jordon Sweet too.

Thanks mate, sounds pretty good and the type that Bev would be interested in which is probably the most important thing. Personally I think a big bullocking centre circle beast would be ideal but there’s not many available and probably not what we’re looking for anyway. So long as he can hold down 60-70% of the ruck time, hold his own/break even in there and cover the ground that’s probably all we need.

Kind of like the idea of having a mobile type in Lynch and more of a bullying centre square type in Sweet both coming through the ranks together, alongside Tim English of course. But yeah ideally we’re still into someone whose more ready to go, even if they’re 30 odd

 

[Doggy]

The Crofts are U16 this year. Their draft year is 2023.

Ewan MacPherson (2020 Draft)
Sam Darcy - (2021 Draft)
Cooper West - (2021 Draft)
Kobi West - (2021 Draft)
Kai Dimattina - (2021 Draft)
Kyan Eagleton - (2022 Draft)
Mitchell Croft - (2022 Draft)
Jordan Croft - (2022 Draft)
Tom Garlick - (2023 Draft)
Max Darcy - (2023 Draft)
Jack Johnson - (2023 Draft)
Harry Cameron - (2024 Draft)
Lukas Eagleton - (2025 Draft)
Jaxon Cooney - (2025 Draft)
Oliver Grant - (2025 Draft)
Jarvis Murphy - (2025 Draft)

 

[weltschmerz]

I can't find any confirmation, but google led me to a couple of posts suggesting the Croft boys were born in 2005.

 

[Doggy]

I can't find any confirmation, but google led me to a couple of posts suggesting the Croft boys were born in 2005.

If that's right the F/S thread needs updating

 

[Nath09]

Ewan MacPherson (2020 Draft)
Sam Darcy - (2021 Draft)
Cooper West - (2021 Draft)
Kobi West - (2021 Draft)
Kai Dimattina - (2021 Draft)
Kyan Eagleton - (2022 Draft)
Mitchell Croft - (2022 Draft)
Jordan Croft - (2022 Draft)
Tom Garlick - (2023 Draft)
Max Darcy - (2023 Draft)
Jack Johnson - (2023 Draft)
Harry Cameron - (2024 Draft)
Lukas Eagleton - (2025 Draft)
Jaxon Cooney - (2025 Draft)
Oliver Grant - (2025 Draft)
Jarvis Murphy - (2025 Draft)

I'm just Sittin', Waitin', Wishin' for the day we get to draft Brad Johnson's son. I'll let myself out.

 

[stevieg1969]

Ewan MacPherson (2020 Draft)
Sam Darcy - (2021 Draft)
Cooper West - (2021 Draft)
Kobi West - (2021 Draft)
Kai Dimattina - (2021 Draft)
Kyan Eagleton - (2022 Draft)
Mitchell Croft - (2022 Draft)
Jordan Croft - (2022 Draft)
Tom Garlick - (2023 Draft)
Max Darcy - (2023 Draft)
Jack Johnson - (2023 Draft)
Harry Cameron - (2024 Draft)
Lukas Eagleton - (2025 Draft)
Jaxon Cooney - (2025 Draft)
Oliver Grant - (2025 Draft)
Jarvis Murphy - (2025 Draft)

I think this is wrong as they definitely played U16’s this year (b. 2005)

 

[willofwest]

I think he is ready. Aside from Nankervis, I can’t see a better ruckman that could be available. The others are all their teams number 1 and unless they have had a falling out over money or playing style, I can’t see them wanting to move.

Would like the idea of Lynch as ruck , swap for lipinski and some trading of picks , this year next year…. But I still think we need a big kpd, whether that be Tarrant or Schon…. ( however you spell it a UFA ) or promote Bailey Vandehaveul from Footscray.

 

[LittleG]

Would like the idea of Lynch as ruck , swap for lipinski and some trading of picks , this year next year…. But I still think we need a big kpd, whether that be Tarrant or Schon…. ( however you spell it a UFA ) or promote Bailey Vandehaveul from Footscray.

I would be happy with that. That would be my pass mark for player changes this year.
Anything beyond Max Lynch & Schenslog; I will be very happy.

 

[DueWest]

To me the fact we get Darcy lessens the risk. If our first was a live pick where we could get a kid in the draft I’d find it a much bigger risk but the fact we have a young list, and the past two years will get two top 3 talents in JUH and Darcy. That’s why I would gamble on the risk. Doubt the club gambles though especially if they have a ruck lined up.

Is Darcy likely to be a long term ruck, key backman or forward ?

 

[DueWest]

I like Lipinski under certain game scenarios but I think it’s a sign of how far Collingwood have slipped if they’re getting hugely excited about the prospect of picking him up


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Nothing like a bit of excitement to pump up his value

 

[LittleG]

Is Darcy likely to be a long term ruck, key backman or forward ?

He has good tricks in terms of forward nous and ways to beat an opponent. But I think his best spot will be as a KPD and that view is shared with many draft watchers.
He will need to put on muscle to play forward but can have a clear run at the ball playing back. So, I think he will be best developed back.