Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Golden_6]

Flanders is a must target if he chooses to leave. Although now he’s playing in the midfield and playing well, he might be more inclined to stay with a new coach.

 

[Mojorisin]

I agree but Poulter is improving weekly so we’ll see, I don’t see a particularly high ceiling though. Similar with Baker, he’s been handy at times but ideally he’s depth. We’ve at least got depth here currently though which we haven’t had previously, which is an improvement - these two can play a role in a good side when called upon IMO, but nah I don’t want them starting 22.

Bedendo is the guy, hopefully has an injury free preseason and I think he’ll be good to go. Kid will be a gun wing IMO, I’m pretty confident in that. People are sleeping on this kid a bit - write off year was a disaster but he’ll be right.

“He recorded a whopping 99cm running vertical jump and impressive 2.95-second 20m sprint (October Draft Combine) an 8.15-second agility test and a 21.2 yo-yo test (both preseason results) which are all considered elite across the board”

Tall, great hands, elite speed, leap, agility & most importantly endurance. Not amazing by foot but he’s tidy enough - genuine goal sense when forward and reads the play well when behind the ball. He is your prototype wing - will be a weapon pushing forward to hit the scoreboard and pushing back to help defence. He’s almost ready to, I suspect he plays 20 games next year and locks down a wing.

Plus seems we’re a lock for Henry who has a lot more potential than Poulter & Baker IMO, question is can he reach it.

But I’m liking the fact that we’re now starting to stockpile a few options who actually play the role the right way, it’s a critical role in the modern game and please no more sitting inside mids on the wings thinking they can make it work, it’s not happening.

No more McNeils, McLeans, McCombs, Macraes (*ing what’s with maccas being played out of position on the wing?)

I'd hope Poulter transitions into an inside role once his body fills out. He did his best work on the inside as a junior.

Bedendo getting some continuity would be terrific, Baker, Poulter, Williams and next year Henry give us enough to work with.

There is good depth for wingman in the draft so ideally we can pick up a developing one in the back end and trade in Henry if Bell co-operates. Our first pick needs to be on a burst Mid (McKercher/Sanders) or classy forward (Watson/Duursma)

 

[Mojorisin]

Flanders is a must target if he chooses to leave. Although now he’s playing in the midfield and playing well, he might be more inclined to stay with a new coach.

Interesting to see Elijah Hollands getting some wing time.

 

[doggies ftw]

Flanders is a must target if he chooses to leave. Although now he’s playing in the midfield and playing well, he might be more inclined to stay with a new coach.

Yep or Hollands, either of these two would be perfect to add to our future midfield. Flanders price probably rising quickly whereas I think Hollands still comes at a massive discount, the cheapest you’ll get him.

 

[immortalmike]

A little harsh considering both were free. I think the club knows this hence the supposed targeting of Liam Henry.

Baker is a solid depth option and has proven this season that he can play a role if needed and Poulter is only 20. There’s a lot of development left in the kid and is by no means a finished product.

Not harsh at all I'd say. They were free for a reason.

Poulter has physical limitations for that role he's slow, skinny and very one sided. Hopefully his strength can develop and his decision making but other than that I don't see a more than adequate winger there.

Baker is a dumb footballer. He's also ordinary in a contest and gets lost in transition.

One is okay for depth but not a fan of having both on our list.

Henry I haven't watched much of but from limited viewing looks small, very outside and limited with his skills. Not exactly a heartening choice either. Seems a smaller quicker version of Hunter to me.

Hoping Bedendo can get some continuity.

 

[doggy_dog]

Lobb was 30 in February with the prospect of 2 or at best 3 more good years (including this one). With Darcy the heir apparent already on our list, a four year contract and two second rounders certainly seemed like overs to me. For me the only explanation for such extravagance is that he was seen as the key ingredient to get us to a grand final this year or next. At this stage that prospect seems most unlikely, especially with Lobb now languishing in the twos.

I think two second rounders was about right at the time. I’ve always thought 4 years was too long of a contract to give him though

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

I am not a fan of Lobb but seems like the perfect lead in for Darcy. He seems like he just needs a rocket - finals does that and so I would be surprised if his worth comes then. Also think all three haven’t really found their turf - Lobb is often too close to goal for me - get on the move around 50 - he is a beautiful long kick and brings a big defender a long way from Naughty and a leading JUH.

Wings and burst Mids are certainly a need - but Harvey G is showing some real potential . So Bedendo and he are decent potential options. And we will add at least two in the draft plus Buss, JOD and Croft as KPD. No bad!

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Not harsh at all I'd say. They were free for a reason.

Poulter has physical limitations for that role he's slow, skinny and very one sided. Hopefully his strength can develop and his decision making but other than that I don't see a more than adequate winger there.

Baker is a dumb footballer. He's also ordinary in a contest and gets lost in transition.

One is okay for depth but not a fan of having both on our list.

Henry I haven't watched much of but from limited viewing looks small, very outside and limited with his skills. Not exactly a heartening choice either. Seems a smaller quicker version of Hunter to me.

Hoping Bedendo can get some continuity.

Gallagher and Cleary as well. Though maybe they are seen as defenders.

 

[immortalmike]

Gallagher and Cleary as well. Though maybe they are seen as defenders.

I would think they're defenders but would like to see Gallagher trialled on the wing.

 

[Foxman98]

I would think they're defenders but would like to see Gallagher trialled on the wing.

He played there last week in the 2s and was best on

 

[immortalmike]

He played there last week in the 2s and was best on

I'd say he played more forward flank and moved back at times from my viewing. I don't think he was ever strictly wing.
But obviously could be mistaken.

 

[geoffjennings79]

If we were to lose English, which is worst case, We always get bent over at the trade table so I can’t see that happening

When have we been bent over trade-wise in the Power era?

 

[dogwatch]

...

At worst he could be like jed adcock in 2016

Adcock was a terrible acquisition. Not a fan of getting Shuey but if we did he'd want to be miles better than Adcock.

If you're still out there Granny, sorry but it's the truth.

 

[dogwatch]

When have we been bent over trade-wise in the Power era?

A few times. Laughing.

 

[geoffjennings79]

A few times. Laughing.

Peter Bell utterances don't count!

 

[Next Waiting]

Lobb was 30 in February with the prospect of 2 or at best 3 more good years (including this one). With Darcy the heir apparent already on our list, a four year contract and two second rounders certainly seemed like overs to me. For me the only explanation for such extravagance is that he was seen as the key ingredient to get us to a grand final this year or next. At this stage that prospect seems most unlikely, especially with Lobb now languishing in the twos.

What was the cost of not getting him DW? Two sides of the same coin but often overlooked.

If I were to speculate, I'd say one of the costs of not getting him would be to back yourself into the corner of having to play Darcy before he's ready. Another is likely competent relief for Timmy to avoid burning him (Timmy) out.

Seems likely that we will both make September and that Lobb will be in the team. If we do perform above current expectations in September, half the reason we got him will have been satisfied this year and the other half next year or in 2025.

I think it was a sound acquisition at the price all things considered. There is an opportunity cost with the 2 second rounders which is mitigated a little by our current 5th position on the ladder.

 

[LovevShaqBB13]

Flanders bloody impressive today absolutely willing to trade a first for him. A great ball user and adds some speed coming out the middle.

Get it done.

Hollands also somewhat impressive but still has a lot of improving to do.

 

[doggies ftw]

Flanders bloody impressive today absolutely willing to trade a first for him. A great ball user and adds some speed coming out the middle.

Get it done.

Hollands also somewhat impressive but still has a lot of improving to do.

Gonna be a hard sell now he’s playing full time midfield to move back into probably a lesser role whilst he waits for Libba/Treloar etc to retire though, but yeah he’d be great

 

[dogwatch]

What was the cost of not getting him DW? Two sides of the same coin but often overlooked.

If I were to speculate, I'd say one of the costs of not getting him would be to back yourself into the corner of having to play Darcy before he's ready. Another is likely competent relief for Timmy to avoid burning him (Timmy) out.

Seems likely that we will both make September and that Lobb will be in the team. If we do perform above current expectations in September, half the reason we got him will have been satisfied this year and the other half next year or in 2025.

I think it was a sound acquisition at the price all things considered. There is an opportunity cost with the 2 second rounders which is mitigated a little by our current 5th position on the ladder.

Good question. It was a sliding doors decision and we can only speculate. Which is what we spend most of our time doing, so I'm fine with that!

There are also two sides to the not-having-Lobb coin. For a start we would have retained 2 second round picks or whatever we paid for him. Plus a modest salary allocation, whatever Lobb is currently getting. What might we have done with those assets? Traded for a junior ruckman who ticks more of Bevo's boxes than Sweet? A winger? A quickish midfielder? A KPD who could have helped us through the Liam Jones injury period? Or perhaps just used them in the draft to get a younger version of any of those?

You can see the what-ifs quickly splinter into a thousand different possibilities, 500 of which might have been better than Lobb and 500 might have been worse. Who can know?

We are left with just our respective opinions ... which will keep us busy here for a good while yet. Mine remains that he was a questionable trade acquisition who might yet turn out to be useful but one who closed off other doors to get a younger and longer lasting prospect, perhaps in a different and more compelling area of need.

In general I'm not keen on trading for 29-30yos. Freebies (or near freebies) are a different proposition but Lobb wasn't a freeby. Unless he becomes an important contributor in us making top 4 (or a GF from 5th-8th) over the 2023-2025 period I reckon it will go down as a poor trade. Not terrible, just one where we could have done better.

 

[Next Waiting]

Good question. It was a sliding doors decision and we can only speculate. Which is what we spend most of our time doing, so I'm fine with that!

There are also two sides to the not-having-Lobb coin. For a start we would have retained 2 second round picks or whatever we paid for him. Plus a modest salary allocation, whatever Lobb is currently getting. What might we have done with those assets? Traded for a junior ruckman who ticks more of Bevo's boxes than Sweet? A winger? A quickish midfielder? A KPD who could have helped us through the Liam Jones injury period? Or perhaps just used them in the draft to get a younger version of any of those?

You can see the what-ifs quickly splinter into a thousand different possibilities, 500 of which might have been better than Lobb and 500 might have been worse. Who can know?

We are left with just our respective opinions ... which will keep us busy here for a good while yet. Mine remains that he was a questionable trade acquisition who might yet turn out to be useful but one who closed off other doors to get a younger and longer lasting prospect, perhaps in a different and more compelling area of need.

In general I'm not keen on trading for 29-30yos. Freebies (or near freebies) are a different proposition but Lobb wasn't a freeby. Unless he becomes an important contributor in us making top 4 (or a GF from 5th-8th) over the 2023-2025 period I reckon it will go down as a poor trade. Not terrible, just one where we could have done better.

Food for thought.

Also, if we hadn't got Lobb, who would've? Is it worth *2 second rounders and salary to say prevent Port from getting him as part of the overall equation.

*I haven't followed my own advice and done any research to know whether they are future second rounders or whether 1 or more was spent last draft

 

[DueWest]

If we had an inkling English was probably leaving this year or in 2024 when he becomes a UFA then it would make a bit more sense. I wonder if that was seriously in their thinking?

Darcy will be a weapon in 2025 ... if not next year.

He will follow a similar trajectory as Tim English, lots of ups and down.

Tim was smashed his first 4 years, was beginning to be competitive year 5 and started dominating year 6

So year 5 for Darcy, being 2026

 

[DueWest]

Flanders bloody impressive today absolutely willing to trade a first for him. A great ball user and adds some speed coming out the middle.

Get it done.

Hollands also somewhat impressive but still has a lot of improving to do.

Gold Coast need to salary dump won’t they give up their first, about pick 6 plus Flanders for salary cap reliefs and a second rounder ?

 

[Mojorisin]

Gold Coast need to salary dump won’t they give up their first, about pick 6 plus Flanders for salary cap reliefs and a second rounder ?

Only to the cats

 

[willofwest]

Only to the cats

They also need picks for their academy players , so a swap of our Brisbane 1st rounder, for Flanders, no 6 and we take on the salary.

 

[grassman75]

Bont mentioned in a recent interview that he considers Naughts and Marra as his best mates at the club. That kind of friendship probably sees both at the club for a very long time I reckon.

The Love of Bont is not something to take lightly