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No way we get 2 first rounders for Smith, especially from Geelong
'Hey Richmond, you interested?'
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No way we get 2 first rounders for Smith, especially from Geelong
Bevo and the club is very old schoolThis annoys me...a lot. Hopefully admin give him a foot up the arse.
Do you bloody job, coach. You're supposed to be excellent at relationships, so go and do it, get aggressive otherwise we'll be left behind. I sure as hell don't want us to be stuck in the middle forever.
I would throw a decent pick to nab KeelerGoing back to 2021
Pick 11 - Wanganeen-Milera
Pick 33 - Mitch Owen's (Free hit)
Pick 47 - Windhager (Free hit)
Pick 51 - Oscar Adams (bust)
Plus Max heath and Cooper Sharman mid- season
2022
Pick 10 - Philipou
Pick 31 - Van Es ( horrible injury run)
Pick 35 Hotton (Jury is still out)
Pick 44 Keeler (developing nicely)
2023
Pick 18 - Darcy Wilson
Pick 28 - Collard
Pick 33 - Hastie
Pick 50 Hugo Garcia (one of my favourites)
Pick 62 - Shoenmaker
That's three great years in my book.
How are our discussions with Butters progressing?Early morning coffee chats (player manager, not someone who works at the Dogs, but speaks with our various teams / managers weekly).
-Macca more than happy to stay with the Dogs and earn his spot back.
-CD does have interested from other clubs, might explore his options end of year
-Smith to Geelong all but signed off on - Dogs expected to ask for two firsts
-Hasn't heard anything on Garcia.
-English 5 years, we didn't cave to his money/years demands
-Focus at the Kennel is to rejuv the midfield and wings
-Things at Melbourne worse than what the media is reporting - The club is in shambles
-As VD/Others have said, cap space wise we're in a good position - he expects the Dogs to be aggressive moving forward now that new facilities are complete and we're on an upward trajectory on field.
-Dogs are also looking at bringing on at least one new experienced assistant coach
He implied to me that every target we've chased over the last year has re-signed at their own club or had been lured elsewhere, supposedly management are filthy that the Hawks have ****-blocked us on Barass, and he reckons that's partly our fault as ''we're not as ruthless as some other clubs when trying to chase players'' (Bevo doesn't meet with oppo players during the season unlike some other coaches).
He hasn't heard any other names linked with us, and expects us to drag Smith out until late in the trade period, and use those picks to pick up elite young mids in the draft. He reckons Sam Power is one of the best negotiators in the league and several clubs have come knocking to get him to switch clubs but his knocked them all back.
And now their head recruiter is at Richmond.Third man up rule change killed us in 2017.
Bevo and the club is very old school
Very respectful to other coaches and players
This does go a longer way when the trade period happens
How are our discussions with Butters progressing?
Early morning coffee chats (player manager, not someone who works at the Dogs, but speaks with our various teams / managers weekly).
-Macca more than happy to stay with the Dogs and earn his spot back.
-CD does have interested from other clubs, might explore his options end of year
-Smith to Geelong all but signed off on - Dogs expected to ask for two firsts
-Hasn't heard anything on Garcia.
-English 5 years, we didn't cave to his money/years demands
-Focus at the Kennel is to rejuv the midfield and wings
-Things at Melbourne worse than what the media is reporting - The club is in shambles
-As VD/Others have said, cap space wise we're in a good position - he expects the Dogs to be aggressive moving forward now that new facilities are complete and we're on an upward trajectory on field.
-Dogs are also looking at bringing on at least one new experienced assistant coach
He implied to me that every target we've chased over the last year has re-signed at their own club or had been lured elsewhere, supposedly management are filthy that the Hawks have ****-blocked us on Barass, and he reckons that's partly our fault as ''we're not as ruthless as some other clubs when trying to chase players'' (Bevo doesn't meet with oppo players during the season unlike some other coaches).
He hasn't heard any other names linked with us, and expects us to drag Smith out until late in the trade period, and use those picks to pick up elite young mids in the draft. He reckons Sam Power is one of the best negotiators in the league and several clubs have come knocking to get him to switch clubs but his knocked them all back.
I think opposite to you, I for one don't want the coach involved in those chats at all until after we bow out of finals. If the coach or players have a pre exsisting relationship with a potential target that's one thing but otherwise let Power and co handle that side of things and focus on this year.
You can always introduce yourself to potential targets at the midnight tours of the new facilities though.
I get where you’re coming from, but if I was contemplating changing employers I’d want to meet with the person I’d be reporting to before committing. And I understand a player wanting to square away their move as early as possible, including in-season if possible. Particularly a player like Barrass with a family. It might come from a place of integrity, but that approach from Bev might have to be reconsidered if it’s going to cost us commitments from opposition players.
Thanks BM.Early morning coffee chats (player manager, not someone who works at the Dogs, but speaks with our various teams / managers weekly).
-Macca more than happy to stay with the Dogs and earn his spot back.
-CD does have interested from other clubs, might explore his options end of year
-Smith to Geelong all but signed off on - Dogs expected to ask for two firsts
-Hasn't heard anything on Garcia.
-English 5 years, we didn't cave to his money/years demands
-Focus at the Kennel is to rejuv the midfield and wings
-Things at Melbourne worse than what the media is reporting - The club is in shambles
-As VD/Others have said, cap space wise we're in a good position - he expects the Dogs to be aggressive moving forward now that new facilities are complete and we're on an upward trajectory on field.
-Dogs are also looking at bringing on at least one new experienced assistant coach
He implied to me that every target we've chased over the last year has re-signed at their own club or had been lured elsewhere, supposedly management are filthy that the Hawks have ****-blocked us on Barass, and he reckons that's partly our fault as ''we're not as ruthless as some other clubs when trying to chase players'' (Bevo doesn't meet with oppo players during the season unlike some other coaches).
He hasn't heard any other names linked with us, and expects us to drag Smith out until late in the trade period, and use those picks to pick up elite young mids in the draft. He reckons Sam Power is one of the best negotiators in the league and several clubs have come knocking to get him to switch clubs but his knocked them all back.
No current season stats available
I've also posted this throughout the course of the year but:
historically, over the last 10 years or so, when an out-of-contract player gets traded as part of a new contract that makes them in the highest paid 50 players in the league (as Smith will be at Geelong), those trades are the ones that involve either multiple picks in the teens, or top 10 picks, especially when there's an element of them already having been a top 10 pick in the past and they're still following on the trajectory of that.
Consider - Cerra pick 6, Taranto 12 + 19, Jackson 13 + future 1st, Rankine pick 4.
I'm not saying Smith is exactly equivalent to that and his future on-field output is probably not at their level, but the contract amount suggests that it's not a million miles off, and people suggesting a single pick in the teens and a single pick in the 30's etc is a mile off from offering pick 6, pick 12 and 10, whatever.
The thing people forget is that there's still far more uncertainty in draft picks that people give credit for. Smith may never become an All-Australian, or get 15 brownlow votes in a season, or whatever - true, especially coming off his knee - but what pick 15-16 pick in the draft does? You can look up the statistics yourself - there is not a pick 15/16 draft pick drafted since 2001 that has eventually become an All-Australian. And only one pick 17 (Harry Taylor). We might get a better player with pick 17 but we might also get Josh Simpson or Michael Apeness with pick 17. Smith might be coming off a knee but at least you can say with as much realistic certainty that he'll be a good enough player to start at the centre bounce for whatever team he's in in Round 1, 2025 - which may never be the case for the player that we draft, and it's less of a guarantee for certain players (e.g. Sanders).
There'll be a lot to play out and we may not get a top draft pick but we're entirely fair to ask for the starting point of a current and future first (pick ~8 and pick ~13) and build from there, even though we'll get yanked back from that starting point. Pick 13 will be a good player the certainty that we have in their career output is far less than the future expected output of the certainty of Smith has proven he has done it.
What he's worth nothing
What we paid for Coffield.
We need to send Bont to have early morning coffee chats with Butters..How are our discussions with Butters progressing?
Thanks for all the info BulldogMustle, it's great to have an insight into the club.Early morning coffee chats (player manager, not someone who works at the Dogs, but speaks with our various teams / managers weekly).
-Macca more than happy to stay with the Dogs and earn his spot back.
-CD does have interested from other clubs, might explore his options end of year
-Smith to Geelong all but signed off on - Dogs expected to ask for two firsts
-Hasn't heard anything on Garcia.
-English 5 years, we didn't cave to his money/years demands
-Focus at the Kennel is to rejuv the midfield and wings
-Things at Melbourne worse than what the media is reporting - The club is in shambles
-As VD/Others have said, cap space wise we're in a good position - he expects the Dogs to be aggressive moving forward now that new facilities are complete and we're on an upward trajectory on field.
-Dogs are also looking at bringing on at least one new experienced assistant coach
He implied to me that every target we've chased over the last year has re-signed at their own club or had been lured elsewhere, supposedly management are filthy that the Hawks have ****-blocked us on Barass, and he reckons that's partly our fault as ''we're not as ruthless as some other clubs when trying to chase players'' (Bevo doesn't meet with oppo players during the season unlike some other coaches).
He hasn't heard any other names linked with us, and expects us to drag Smith out until late in the trade period, and use those picks to pick up elite young mids in the draft. He reckons Sam Power is one of the best negotiators in the league and several clubs have come knocking to get him to switch clubs but his knocked them all back.
He would but he will also cost too much.Houston would fit nicely into our backline/midfield and it would be beautiful to just pull the rug out from under the Demons.
But would be a very significant upgrade on either Buku or Coffield, hence the cost.He would but he will also cost too much.