Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[House_of_Dahl]

If all we get for smith is a late first, Sam Power has to go. We have every right to demand Smith’s worth.

He’s worth around pick 10, so either Geelong trade up or add in their f1 for a second in return.

So are you happy for us to match their offer even if it is $1.2M for 5 years? Or are you happy to lose him for nothing and let him go back into the draft? For all the chest thumping they are our only real options if we aren't happy with the offers.

 

[Golden_6]

Then thank god we dodged that bullet.

I'm not particularly sure that's a bullet. Watson had some initial struggles in terms of accuracy but he is going to be a huge game changer. He's already having a massive impact on a successful team where small forwards tend to struggle early on.

If he was on our team he'd be playing every week and we would absolutely love him.

 

[dergert]

I'd give up a pick between 6-15 for Rachele in a heart beat. Guy oozes class, he's not tough but not every player needs to be. Proven goal kicker and we don't necessarily need 18 year olds right now. He's the perfect age bracket for our list.

Get it done Sammy P.

For that price id take the risk but he'd cost at least double and that's far above his worth imo.

 

[Hoges64]

Then thank god we dodged that bullet.

Small crumbing forward going at a goal, 11 touches, 3 marks and 3 tackles a game in his first season?

Yeah, a real bullet that.

 

[Bald]

If all we get for smith is a late first, Sam Power has to go. We have every right to demand Smith’s worth.

He’s worth around pick 10, so either Geelong trade up or add in their f1 for a second in return.

You are prone to bad takes, but this probably takes the cake.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Sure, and they have a right to baulk and say he's an out of contract risk on his way back from an ACL. We have very little leverage. Holding Power accountable to the extent that his job is on the line if he doesn't extract market value from an out of contract player is absurd.

The thing is we never seem to have leverage.

When was the last time we extracted full value let alone over the odds for a player leaving the club?

Never happens. Some clubs get it, we never do. Why?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

The thing is we never seem to have leverage.

When was the last time we extracted full value let alone over the odds for a player leaving the club?

Never happens. Some clubs get it, we never do. Why?

Because we're too nice and aren't proactive enough. We wait until players get pushed out of the best 23 or enter free agency to move them on.

 

[PurpJuice]

Sure, and they have a right to baulk and say he's an out of contract risk on his way back from an ACL. We have very little leverage. Holding Power accountable to the extent that his job is on the line if he doesn't extract market value from an out of contract player is absurd.

Well we can send him to Hawks, Norf, Saints, or Suns.

I’d rather get nothing than send him to Geelong for massive unders.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Well we can send him to Hawks, Norf, Saints, or Suns.

I’d rather get nothing than send him to Geelong for massive unders.

... So you would be happy with the guy employed to build the best possible list getting zero return for our large investment, but fire him for getting the most that can be extracted from a bad situation?

That strikes me as odd. Aimless posturing and aggression don't build a premiership team.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Sure, and they have a right to baulk and say he's an out of contract risk on his way back from an ACL. We have very little leverage. Holding Power accountable to the extent that his job is on the line if he doesn't extract market value from an out of contract player is absurd.

This isn't a demand or a baulking that these clubs can reasonably make because we know the contract offers that those clubs are offering.

Club relationships and ability to get deals done would be ruined if clubs tried the two-step of overpaying contracts and making promise to players and saying something completely different to clubs.

Our existing contract offer, while not as bad, is still one that would make Smith one of our highest paid player. Even if we were not to know his existing contract offers elsewhere (though we do), by virtue of the fact that he wants to take it, we have to know it's a better one.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Then thank god we dodged that bullet.

You must be kidding - the kid is a jet, skilled, agile, ferocious forward pressure. He is exactly the type of player we have been screaming for for years.

 

[Unorth]

Irrelevant now but Watson would have been a much better fit for us this year and next than Sanders.

 

[Bald]

You must be kidding - the kid is a jet, skilled, agile, ferocious forward pressure. He is exactly the type of player we have been screaming for for years.

Yeah some people genuinely have no idea. A small forward averaging 3.2 shots on goal per game in his first year. That puts him equal 8th in the competition for small/med forwards shots on goal. There isn't a small/medium on our list that has had more shots. He's been inaccurate but that will fix itself as he gets fitter.

Anyone that thinks he's a bust, is absolutely kidding themselves, he won't be behind many in his draft when it's all said and done.

 

[VitalDread]

Irrelevant now but Watson would have been a much better fit for us this year and next than Sanders.

Until Libba retires and we don't have a ready made contested midfielder to take that role

 

[PurpJuice]

You must be kidding - the kid is a jet, skilled, agile, ferocious forward pressure. He is exactly the type of player we have been screaming for for years.

He’s alright but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

His accuracy would fit right in with our team though.

 

[Bald]

He’s alright but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

His accuracy would fit right in with our team though.

You have no idea.

 

[Golden_6]

He’s alright but certainly not worth a top 10 pick.

His accuracy would fit right in with our team though.

Easy was to discredit your opinions.

 

[PurpJuice]

You have no idea.

No need to get personal for someone speaking the truth.

 

[cleveland]

I think watson would have been better for us the next couple of years as someone stated above, but once libba and treloar slow down, he will be the one we need

 

[Bald]

No need to get personal for someone speaking the truth.

You think a player equal 8th in shots at goal in his first season in the most difficult position to play on the ground isn't worth a top 10 pick.

You think that's the truth, really?

 

[Mofra]

The thing is we never seem to have leverage.

When was the last time we extracted full value let alone over the odds for a player leaving the club?

Never happens. Some clubs get it, we never do. Why?

Hindsight, but Stringer.

Does Treloar count for a trade in? A-grader for a bunch of picks and $300k contract contribution as well.

 

[manutd/dogs]

Until Libba retires and we don't have a ready made contested midfielder to take that role

 

[_Mike_]

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Love Mcrae as a player, but he's not the in and under player at the contested footy that we get out of Libba

 

[PurpJuice]

Until Libba retires and we don't have a ready made contested midfielder to take that role

People don’t realise that in 3 years, we are going to be praying to Sam Power that we drafted Sanders. He’s an inside bull which we don’t need yet, but he will be significantly more valuable to the team than Watson, whether you think he’s a good prospect or a dud.

 

[manutd/dogs]

Love Mcrae as a player, but he's not the in and under player at the contested footy that we get out of Libba

Obviously no one can fully replace what Libba does, but Macrae is still by far the closest we have on our list, and as far as I'm concerned, is definitely still a highly valuable in and under player at the contested footy. This has always been and continues to be his one-wood. It's just that he's also great off the edge of packs, surprisingly good in the air, useful both defensively and offensively, not to mention his skills are generally very good and sometimes sublime.

In fact, the only thing he really stuggles in is pace, but that's always been the case.