Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mofra]

Dunkley won our best and fairest and got our most Brownlow votes in 2022. Though it didn't in a direct, literal sense make a difference (a lot of his best games for us that season were in losses so it's not as if he was a sole difference maker in turning losses into wins), in a more general sense, the extent of the success we had in 2022 by making finals and playing in a finals game competitively was due to Dunkley. We may not have won the flag with Dunkley in 2022 but we clearly and certainly were not more likely to have won it, had we traded him to Essendon at the end of 2020, given his form.

And let's not forget something equally important - Dunkley may have helped them end the their finals drought. Nobody wants that to happen.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Callaghan another with links to us.

His Mum is Bevo's cousin and he also supported us.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Butters talk is a total wet dream.

No chance.

I don't think it's entirely incorrect to say, should he be a player that wants to return to Melbourne at any stage in his career, (which is probably more likely than not) which is not overly common for Melbourne-origin players playing interstate that are absolute superstars (that kind of player only turns up every few seasons) we're not a team that's immediately disqualified from being that potential new suitor that is often the case e.g. going back to the Judd to Carlton days. I think that's driving the discussion rather than any "we should trade this player"

 

[RWnBluey]

Butters talk is a total wet dream.

No chance.

This year, yes. 2025 and beyond could definitely happen.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Let’s trade Bont

 

[ArNcHiSe]

I remember when people on this board were dreaming up scenarios about Josh Kelly coming to the dogs because him and Bont are friends. I who the next player people delude themselves into thinking they’re coming to the dogs?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Callaghan another with links to us.

His Mum is Bevo's cousin and he also supported us.

It’s Bevos wife’s side I think.

 

[VitalDread]

Sam Darcy new contract will make him the highest paid Bulldogs player of all time

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I remember when people on this board were dreaming up scenarios about Josh Kelly coming to the dogs because him and Bont are friends. I who the next player people delude themselves into thinking they’re coming to the dogs?

Butters grew up in the Western Suburbs, played for the Western Jets, supported the Dogs as a kid, and was a top draft pick that ended up drafted interstate and has turned into a very good player.

Excluding the "supported the Dogs as a kid" element, there's a very short list of players that all of those factors are also true, and we typically are linked to those players ... for precisely the reason we can offer things that other clubs can't (like living close to family and the club).

That list of players, going back to the 2011-12 expansion era, is very short:

Zak Butters
Xavier O'Halloran
Cam Rayner
Daniel Venables
Liam Duggan
Will Hoskin-Elliott

We've genuinely been linked to all of those players at some stage.

The very fact that we haven't been able to get any of those seven players over the line is more just representing nuances case-by-case and a small sample size of players:

Butters: heavily involved
O'Halloran: we've been heavily linked and some in the know posters have suggested we were on the edge of recruiting him in more than one off-season recently
Rayner: we've been heavily linked
Venables: Concussion ended his career before whether he would want to move back to Melbourne or not would be relevant
Duggan: We were heavily linked early in his career. Eagles were able to keep him by basically paying him all the money they got off their books when their six or seven million dollar per year premiership players' contracts expired over the last few years
Hoskin-Elliott: He was traded in the 2016-17 offseason in the same time that he was a talented young player being pushed out of a top GWS team wanting more opportunity. Given we traded out Koby Stevens and Nathan Hrovat that same off-season we were never going to trade for a player like Hoskin-Elliott when we could have just kept one of those two players with the same vague age/ability.

 

[Angak]

It’s Bevos wife’s side I think.

Sam Mitchell's wife gets involved in trade talks. I think it's time Bevos missus steps up.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Sam Darcy new contract will make him the highest paid Bulldogs player of all time

We're going to outdo Mac Andrew's four-year trigger with a nine-year trigger surely

 

[Angak]

Offload Marra for Callaghan & Butters

 

[Bonty4]

Butters grew up in the Western Suburbs, played for the Western Jets, supported the Dogs as a kid, and was a top draft pick that ended up drafted interstate and has turned into a very good player.

Excluding the "supported the Dogs as a kid" element, there's a very short list of players that all of those factors are also true, and we typically are linked to those players ... for precisely the reason we can offer things that other clubs can't (like living close to family and the club).

That list of players, going back to the 2011-12 expansion era, is very short:

Zak Butters
Xavier O'Halloran
Cam Rayner
Daniel Venables
Liam Duggan
Will Hoskin-Elliott

We've genuinely been linked to all of those players at some stage.

The very fact that we haven't been able to get any of those seven players over the line is more just representing nuances case-by-case and a small sample size of players:

Butters: heavily involved
O'Halloran: we've been heavily linked and some in the know posters have suggested we were on the edge of recruiting him in more than one off-season recently
Rayner: we've been heavily linked
Venables: Concussion ended his career before whether he would want to move back to Melbourne or not would be relevant
Duggan: We were heavily linked early in his career. Eagles were able to keep him by basically paying him all the money they got off their books when their six or seven million dollar per year premiership players' contracts expired over the last few years
Hoskin-Elliott: He was traded in the 2016-17 offseason in the same time that he was a talented young player being pushed out of a top GWS team wanting more opportunity. Given we traded out Koby Stevens and Nathan Hrovat that same off-season we were never going to trade for a player like Hoskin-Elliott when we could have just kept one of those two players with the same vague age/ability.

Unfortunately cement head was the opposite about wanting to stay close to home :’( ,albeit him being a dons fan

 

[Struggle]

Offload Marra for Callaghan & Butters

Do port and GWS get him one week each or do they alternate seasons?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Unfortunately cement head was the opposite about wanting to stay close to home :’( ,albeit him being a dons fan

That was clearly a big stuff up (replace stuff with stronger word) accurately described here: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/05...allowed-local-product-ward-to-become-a-giant/ (pretty sure this information was explained on this board accurately before Eade spoke so openly about it on this interview).

We only hired McCartney as an explicit list manager at the end of 2011 on the back of this stuff-up, even though most clubs had evolved to that model (and since then has 100% of clubs use). Who exactly figured out contracts before that ... the footy manager and coach working together or something?

In an environment where things like the introduction of the expansion clubs (announced in 2008-9) and increasing salary caps, introduction of free agency it was incredibly poor to not treat the importance of "managing the list" and not instill a list manager before then by the club. Safe to say with different people at the helm since 2012, started by McCarthy, our ability to negotiate contracts and plan for a list in the constraints of a salary cap has been at least not that bad.

 

[Angak]

Do port and GWS get him one week each or do they alternate seasons?

Haha I'm talking for salary cap room + draft picks we could use in a trade

 

[dergert]

Collingwood supporters are actually delusional if they believe they are getting one of GC's first rounders for Noble.

 

[Prince Imperial]

Collingwood supporters are actually delusional if they believe they are getting one of GC's first rounders for Noble.

With GC you never know.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Collingwood supporters are actually delusional if they believe they are getting one of GC's first rounders for Noble.

Won’t he surprised if they do, would be a big deal with other clubs involved too.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Inside Trading Article Has Reported that Nathan O’Driscoll is set for a new deal at Fremantle

 

[Doggy]

O'Driscoll staying at Fremantle.

We couldn't even get a bit part player over the line

 

[Bulldogs85]

Inside Trading article

DOG WEIGHS FUTURE​

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have offered Riley Garcia a two-year extension, but the West Australian is weighing up his future after being starved of opportunities in 2024.

Garcia played a career-high 12 games for Luke Beveridge this season, proving he is over the injury issues that impacted his first few seasons at the Whitten Oval.

The 23-year-old starred for Footscray this year, averaging 29.8 disposals and 7.5 tackles from 11 appearances in the VFL to finish equal seventh in the J.J. Liston Trophy.
Port Adelaide, West Coast, St Kilda and North Melbourne are all understood to have expressed varying levels of interest in the out-of-contract midfielder.

But with Jack Macrae and Bailey Smithboth requesting trades this month, Garcia could stay at the Bulldogs and fight for a spot in a deep midfield again in 2025.

Garcia has had his exit interview and will return to Perth later this week before making a decision about his future. – Josh Gabelich

 

[stefoid]

Looks up who we picked to pass on Butters

 

[Pencil case]

Inside Trading article

DOG WEIGHS FUTURE​

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have offered Riley Garcia a two-year extension, but the West Australian is weighing up his future after being starved of opportunities in 2024.

Garcia played a career-high 12 games for Luke Beveridge this season, proving he is over the injury issues that impacted his first few seasons at the Whitten Oval.

The 23-year-old starred for Footscray this year, averaging 29.8 disposals and 7.5 tackles from 11 appearances in the VFL to finish equal seventh in the J.J. Liston Trophy.
Port Adelaide, West Coast, St Kilda and North Melbourne are all understood to have expressed varying levels of interest in the out-of-contract midfielder.

But with Jack Macrae and Bailey Smithboth requesting trades this month, Garcia could stay at the Bulldogs and fight for a spot in a deep midfield again in 2025.

Garcia has had his exit interview and will return to Perth later this week before making a decision about his future. – Josh Gabelich

Please Garcia. We’re screwed if you leave.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Please Garcia. We’re screwed if you leave.

Talk about an overreaction