Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Scottish Bob]

they reckon on trade radio we should get a Garcia update today with Riley Beverage saying he expects him to stay

 

[cleveland]

Is o'halloran quick?

 

[Mofra]

Is o'halloran quick?

For 4 years he'd want to be training with Usain Bolt.

4 years makes me nervous

 

[Foxman98]

For 4 years he'd want to be training with Usain Bolt.

4 years makes me nervous

There is nothing that he has produced at AFL level to suggest anyone offer him a 4 year deal very worrying indeed

 

[Struggle]

4 years for ohalloran is confusing. How can you give out contracts that long for someone who hasn't cemented a place in the 22 yet
67 games in 6 years
2024 -11 disposals and less than a goal every 2 games

 

[adogsfan5]

4 years for ohalloran is confusing. How can you give out contracts that long for someone who hasn't cemented a place in the 22 yet
67 games in 6 years
2024 -11 disposals and less than a goal every 2 games

Gotta overpay sometimes to get someone out of a club. Maybe an extra year gets him over the line?
At the end of the day, does a contract even mean anything these days?

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Without knowing how much money we're willing to pay, it's all a bit academic.

O'Halloran and his management team might have said to us, we'd much rather the guarantee of being on an AFL list for four years, and money it's not that big a deal for us. That long term security is what matters (maybe O'Halloran wants to pay off a mortgage or something I don't know).

Ok sure we can be angry if it's four years on good money without knowing how good of a footballer he'll be in that fourth year - he could collapse, fair enough.

But if it's on not that much money...

O'Halloran's good enough to have been picked for at least 14 games in each of the last 4 seasons for a very good team over that four years in GWS, I'd be confident he's still at least good enough to be on a list in four years time.

It's not as if we'd have rather moved on from O'Halloran to free up the list spot, in three years time, surely not?

 

[seaweed]

Dare I say Cooney making sense?

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And then he confused himself by using his computer mouse for his laptop and wondered why it wasn’t working, so swings and roundabouts

 

[DiamondDogs8]

I’ve been on record saying I’d like to bring in O’Halloran, but giving him a four year deal and trading out a second rounder would raise some eyebrows. Not looking good.

 

[BLACAE]

Is 32 next year, has had soft tissue injuries and has averaged just 12 games a season since the start of 2021.

Cooked.

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of that.

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[BLACAE]

Also has slowed down significantly from 5 years ago. I'd almost consider him slow these days with average agility.

Fair call, I'm obviously looking at him with historical glasses. I don't watch Essendon much.

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[threenewpadlocks]

O'Halloran would provide a direct and immediate upgrade to McNeil and Vandermeer, a player that people have understood are relatively weak players but necessary in the team because the remainder of the list doesn't have their hard running and/or pressure skillsets.

Now people are worried about an additional year, the difference between a second and third round draft pick.

Okay, say we keep the second round pick. Say we keep the salary cap room.

Then what?

People would be clamouring for a way to upgrade Vandermeer and McNeil.

I'm not disagreeing that it may be an overpay for O'Halloran in a netural context. There are better hard-running half-forward flankers in the league. On average, we may draft a better second round pick.

But the context matters - draft assets are only valuable insofar as they ultimately upgrade the team and lead to wins. We don't win more games by having a better draft hand, we win more games by having a better team on the park directly and immediately, of which one way is through drafting players.

People are way too concerned about "winning" trade week in an abstract sense than looking at the team that we will put on the park Round 1 next year and seeing how we can improve that as a first priority.

 

[RWnBluey]

Gotta overpay sometimes to get someone out of a club. Maybe an extra year gets him over the line?
At the end of the day, does a contract even mean anything these days?

You overpay best 22 players to pry them out not the O'Halloran‘s of the world who would be looking for job security over anything else.
Four years is excessive IMO but what would I know.

 

[Golden_6]

For all the love Sam Power

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gets, he's made a lot of very questionable deals (contracts too) in recent years. I feel like people still hang onto the Bruce, Keath & Treloar trades from a very long time ago.

 

[JohnnySteel]

I’ve been on record saying I’d like to bring in O’Halloran, but giving him a four year deal and trading out a second rounder would raise some eyebrows. Not looking good.

Feels like we are trying to force the issue for the sake of trading but would be smarter to go after him when he is out of contract next year for much cheaper.

I’m all for hitting the draft hard this year, then going after a Callaghan / O’Hallaran double next year.

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[Deadly Darcy]

O'Halloran would provide a direct and immediate upgrade to McNeil and Vandermeer, a player that people have understood are relatively weak players but necessary in the team because the remainder of the list doesn't have their hard running and/or pressure skillsets.

Now people are worried about an additional year, the difference between a second and third round draft pick.

Okay, say we keep the second round pick. Say we keep the salary cap room.

Then what?

People would be clamouring for a way to upgrade Vandermeer and McNeil.

I'm not disagreeing that it may be an overpay for O'Halloran in a netural context. There are better hard-running half-forward flankers in the league. On average, we may draft a better second round pick.

But the context matters - draft assets are only valuable insofar as they ultimately upgrade the team and lead to wins. We don't win more games by having a better draft hand, we win more games by having a better team on the park directly and immediately, of which one way is through drafting players.

People are way too concerned about "winning" trade week in an abstract sense than looking at the team that we will put on the park Round 1 next year and seeing how we can improve that as a first priority.

I don’t want O’halloran but I have to concede you make too much sense in this post to disagree. Well rationalised - we should do it on the off chance he can improve his output with a new club.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

There is nothing that he has produced at AFL level to suggest anyone offer him a 4 year deal very worrying indeed

There was nothing much in Lachlan Brambles career to suggest that he was going to cement his position in the side from Round 1.

4 years for O'Halloran doesn't seem like much of a stretch in an era of exponential player salaries and contracts lengths. One things for certain, we need to increase the quality of our midfield depth and O'Halloran if nothing else, is good enough to do that.

 

[Foxman98]

There was nothing much in Lachlan Brambles career to suggest that he was going to cement his position in the side from Round 1.

4 years for O'Halloran doesn't seem like much of a stretch in an era of exponential player salaries and contracts lengths. One things for certain, we need to increase the quality of our midfield depth and O'Halloran if nothing else, is good enough to do that.

Lachie Bramble wasn't signed for 4 years and his first year at the hawks actually was fairly good

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

I dont really care about the contract length with XOH. More worried about coughing up too much to pry a contracted player out of a club who has just had a bnch of free agents leave and another player request a trade.

One day we'll get with the program and start targeting out of contract guys

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Lachie Bramble wasn't signed for 4 years and his first year at the hawks actually was fairly good

He was a guy who was averaging 10 games a year across his career at the hawks when they were at their lowest ebb.

A guy that the Hawks didn't exactly stop from looking elsewhere.

Bramble and O'Halloran are exactly the types that we should be looking at to bring into the club, whilst we are still a competitive outfit. As for the length of any prospective contract. 4 years is a blink in the eye of an AFL career in an age where Tom Campbell is still on an AFL list.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

People are way too concerned about "winning" trade week in an abstract sense than looking at the team that we will put on the park Round 1 next year and seeing how we can improve that as a first priority.

It’s not so much about ‘winning’ trade week, I think people are more concerned about the balance between improving the team in the short term and putting our scarce draft picks better use.

 

[BLACAE]

By the sounds of the trade radio, we aren't letting Daniel and Macrae go for nothing. They even suggested the pick in the 40s wouldn't do it. Might be an interesting couple of weeks.

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[Scragger77]

Also has slowed down significantly from 5 years ago. I'd almost consider him slow these days with average agility.

And is worse by foot than B Smith.

 

[my plums]

Sam Power

Sam Power

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41

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1.8

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1.6

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gives nothing away. At all.

 

[Walsh Bay]

Ha, trade Radio sooking that he gives nothing.

Keep it up Sam, it's not your job to give the nuffies something to talk about.