Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[House_of_Dahl]

North: we're not that interested in buying Caleb, but our of idle curiosity what would you want?
Dogs: we're not that interested in selling him, but for the sake of argument, what are you offering?

Yeah I think it's a case of we'll trade him for a second but there is no fire sale if that what's your hoping

 

[Foxman98]

The "vibe" on this thread is the best for weeks. IDK why, but I like it.

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[Next Waiting]

I was thinking Damien

Small forward?

 

[geoffjennings79]

Sam Power

Sam Power

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

7.8

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.6

4star

is currently like Josey Wales, napping while waiting until his pursuers are halfway across the river on the cable ferry. He will shortly awaken from his slumber and apply the "Missouri boatride"...

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I am always talking about future plans with friends and say “but there’s still a lot of water to go under the bridge before that happens”.

The internet only really verifies the @threenewpadlocks version but seeing as the metaphor still makes sense I vote we allow our beautiful language to be flexible.

My guess is though that you use that term when you suggest that likely to future difficulties or contention.

I suppose I use it that way too - not just to refer to past events.

Maybe Mackie's actually using it correctly in that way, but he's essentially suggesting that the negotiations will be difficult, which I suppose is not untrue.

But it's not something you'd expect him to admit - if he wasn't shrouding it in idioms, he would just effectively saying "before he becomes a Cat, trade negotiations will have difficulties", which is strange to me.

Say you're applying for a visa to visit a country and they reject it. You might use the "water to go under the bridge" then, because you might hire a lawyer and appeal or apply in a different manner.

But if you're applying for the visa and would assume that it gets approved, if someone asked you "oh what's happening to your trip to China", you wouldn't say "oh I applied for a visa, and there's lots of water to go under the bridge", because there would be no reason for China to reject your tourist visa if you were just a bog ordinary Australian wanting to see the Terracotta Warriors.

It's not to say that applying for a Visa might not involve a lot of work - as is a Bailey Smith trade - but you wouldn't presuppose that it would be contentious or difficult, which is essentially what Mackie is suggesting at here, by using the phrase.

Of course Mackie didn't mean it that way - he merely meant to say that there's still work to be done - but that circles back to my point that I still think it's a misused metaphor.

 

[dogwatch]

I think it's a fair usage of the idiom in modern English. I read it as the deal is not finalised and that there are details (possibly difficult or contentious ones) currently being negotiated (the water upstream) that have yet to be agreed upon.

But I'll defer to expert testimony here. dogwatch

Agree.

The more accustomed meaning of "water under the bridge" is that it has already happened and there's nothing that can be done to change it.

But as Zgope1 said it can also be used - usually with the adverb "still" - to mean that there's a bit yet to play out and we can't say for sure how it will turn out.

Even if that second meaning wasn't already coming into vogue there surely wouldn't be anyone here who had any doubt what Mackie meant by using it the way he did.

I'm also glad he used a metaphor. They enrich the language, at least until they become cliches. And we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

You might be a little young (this is a presumption on my part). Those of my vintage probably couldn't miss it. The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin. CJ. No one mangled their metaphors quite like him.

I reckon Tim "the Toolman" Taylor went close

 

[Norm De Guerre]

North: we're not that interested in buying Caleb, but our of idle curiosity what would you want?
Dogs: we're not that interested in selling him, but for the sake of argument, what are you offering?

If one redacts the names of the clubs and the players involved.

This is a succinct telling of the events describing the first 8.5 days of the nonsense otherwise know as trade week.

 

[dergert]

 

[Northernsoul74]

The "vibe" on this thread is the best for weeks. IDK why, but I like it.

Getting screwed by bigger clubs clearly brings us together.

 

[Northernsoul74]

My guess is though that you use that term when you suggest that likely to future difficulties or contention.

I suppose I use it that way too - not just to refer to past events.

Maybe Mackie's actually using it correctly in that way, but he's essentially suggesting that the negotiations will be difficult, which I suppose is not untrue.

But it's not something you'd expect him to admit - if he wasn't shrouding it in idioms, he would just effectively saying "before he becomes a Cat, trade negotiations will have difficulties", which is strange to me.

Say you're applying for a visa to visit a country and they reject it. You might use the "water to go under the bridge" then, because you might hire a lawyer and appeal or apply in a different manner.

But if you're applying for the visa and would assume that it gets approved, if someone asked you "oh what's happening to your trip to China", you wouldn't say "oh I applied for a visa, and there's lots of water to go under the bridge", because there would be no reason for China to reject your tourist visa if you were just a bog ordinary Australian wanting to see the Terracotta Warriors.

It's not to say that applying for a Visa might not involve a lot of work - as is a Bailey Smith trade - but you wouldn't presuppose that it would be contentious or difficult, which is essentially what Mackie is suggesting at here, by using the phrase.

Of course Mackie didn't mean it that way - he merely meant to say that there's still work to be done - but that circles back to my point that I still think it's a misused metaphor.

I think are few of you are overanalysing Mackie and overrating his intellect.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I think are few of you are overanalysing Mackie and overrating his intellect.

I can agree that Mackie misusing an idiom incorrectly does suggest not having that high an intellect!

 

[ossie_21]

Bro has rocked up to work after a 2 week bender

 

[Munnez]

The "vibe" on this thread is the best for weeks. IDK why, but I like it.

Nothing happening on the trade front so there is time for a bit of light hearted banter to pass the time

 

[Next Waiting]

Agree.

The more accustomed meaning of "water under the bridge" is that it has already happened and there's nothing that can be done to change it.

But as Zgope1 said it can also be used - usually with the adverb "still" - to mean that there's a bit yet to play out and we can't say for sure how it will turn out.

Even if that second meaning wasn't already coming into vogue there surely wouldn't be anyone here who had any doubt what Mackie meant by using it the way he did.

I'm also glad he used a metaphor. They enrich the language, at least until they become cliches. And we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Bridges are historically an excellent place to find trolls.

 

[jaxie1]

Bridges are historically an excellent place to find trolls.

Maybe a lot of trolls are under the bridge

 

[redmania]

I have no inside information! I’d love for the Hawks to make another play for Smith as the cats deal breaks down.

Would the Doggies accept Carlton’s F1 and F2?

I'd drive him to glen Waverley myself

 

[CarnTheScray]

Bro has rocked up to work after a 2 week bender

He got sick and tired of trading top picks for outside runners and is actually looking to draft a player this year.

 

[Dogs 13]

Sam Power is currently like Josey Wales, napping while waiting until his pursuers are halfway across the river on the cable ferry. He will shortly awaken from his slumber and apply the "Missouri boatride"...

The bounty hunters (list managers) will get this when their shame compels them to come back and try again with Josey, I mean Sam.



Edit, I never understood what Clint saw in Sondra Locke !!