Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VII

[Lore]

We can't trade our first without bringing another first in.

 

[Keystone agony]

0 AFL games
He may not be that good. He may do the ACL again. etc etc.

TBC
Draper
A young ruck who can challenge for #1 in 2020
Perhaps a project if one is available (Bowman?). TBC will retire soon enough.

I'd feel comfortable we have ruck sorted if we can do that.

Bowman being our number 1 ruck next year would be beyond a disaster

 

[Keystone agony]

Yeah I was hoping he’d come back for 1-2 years. Maybe there’s a rookie ruckman out there between 21-24 years old.

Our best options from here are probably

Pittonet 23
Andrew Phillips 28
Jeremy Goddard 21 (WAFL)
Jackson Trengove 29
Geelong Spud Buzza/Z.Smith/Abbott

I'd take any right now there the next best 4 in line that are all ready to go

Then you start questioning how many are going to give greater output then Z.Clarke

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

I am not saying he will be anything other than to say from the few games with Sandy and the 10 or so he played with us that I have seen he has shown enough for someone to maybe interested in him as a rookie. I just think you under rate the quality of some VFL rucks who despite not being up to AFL still have a number of years and ruck craft over 19 year old players out of the TAC.

Im not having a go at anyone, time to move on because the recruiting team will have final say on this.

Whispy Watson seems to think B. Crouch and Brandon Ellis are Suns bound.

 

[DapperJong]

Im not having a go at anyone, time to move on because the recruiting team will have final say on this.

Whispy Watson seems to think B. Crouch and Brandon Ellis are Suns bound.

Ellis is confirmed

 

[Jack Richards]

Sam Hayes
Phillips

are the 2 rucks I would be looking to pry away from their respectful clubs

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Ellis is confirmed

Thank God.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

With trade season approaching; What tricks does Dodo have up his sleeve? Probably going to rely heavily on Joe, I guess.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Disappointed with Ryder, not like there’s many better alternatives.

Correct. We need a RTG ruckman and it looks like our options are fast running out.

 

[citizen-erased]

Bowman being our number 1 ruck next year would be beyond a disaster

More thinking if this Bowman kid is worth a gamble as a rookie, he becomes #4

1-TBC (he's our best when fit)
2-New kid
3-Draper when he's ready
4-Bowman

New kid ideally would be able to play forward as well. Someone like Jenkins but closer to 20 than 30.

 

[faible]

I see Bowman as a potential McKernan type; Forward / Second Ruck would be his role in a full-strength side if he makes it, able to cover ruck duties in a pinch through injury the way McKernan has done for us over the years.

Ideally we'd have something like the below in 5 years time;

1. Draper
2. ???
3. Bowman
4. Young Developing Ruck

That 2nd ruck spot really needs a mature ruck at the end of their career who is happy to play VFL whilst covering for injuries, someone like Leuenberger was perfect for this. If Draper overtakes Bellchambers in 2021 for example, Bellchambers might be happy enough to do an extra year or two on a list as a backup that maybe plays half a dozen AFL games, maybe doesn't. Just someone to prevent us throwing an undersized KPP or developing ruckman to the wolves whilst the rest of the team is in that mid-20s age bracket where we should be a consistent finals side.

 

[citizen-erased]

Our best options from here are probably

Pittonet 23
Andrew Phillips 28
Jeremy Goddard 21 (WAFL)
Jackson Trengove 29
Geelong Spud Buzza/Z.Smith/Abbott

I'd take any right now there the next best 4 in line that are all ready to go

Then you start questioning how many are going to give greater output then Z.Clarke

Im not sure the Hawks are going to let Pittonet go. From what ive read, he has the keys to #1 once McEvoy retires.


Goddard would be a good one to put in as a developing young ruck
And i'd look at Phillips as the new Clarke to play behind TBC until the kids are up to it

Not sure how good Trengove is as a ruck, but has the benefit of being able to play outside that role (ie defence or forward iirc)

 

[citizen-erased]

I see Bowman as a potential McKernan type; Forward / Second Ruck would be his role in a full-strength side if he makes it, able to cover ruck duties in a pinch through injury the way McKernan has done for us over the years.

Ideally we'd have something like the below in 5 years time;

1. Draper
2. ???
3. Bowman
4. Young Developing Ruck

That 2nd ruck spot really needs a mature ruck at the end of their career who is happy to play VFL whilst covering for injuries, someone like Leuenberger was perfect for this. If Draper overtakes Bellchambers in 2021 for example, Bellchambers might be happy enough to do an extra year or two on a list as a backup that maybe plays half a dozen AFL games, maybe doesn't. Just someone to prevent us throwing an undersized KPP or developing ruckman to the wolves whilst the rest of the team is in that mid-20s age bracket where we should be a consistent finals side.

2 would be TBC.
He'd be 1 until Draper is ready and proven at AFL level unless we find a short term #1.

If Bowman is more forward than ruck, no harm grabbing him as a McKernan replacement (we aren't that well stocked up forward either.

As an example;
Rucks - TBC, Phillips/Trengove, Draper, Goddard
Forwards - Daniher, McKernan, Stewart, Bowman

It may look like a lot of height on the list, but it took two injuries (TBC and Daniher) and we fell into a hole this year.

 

[Milanista28]

If we were happy to have Lavender on the list then Bowman makes heaps of sense, better all round prospect that can spend 3 years developing on the rookie list.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Is Frampton from Power any good? Talk of him moving to Crows for more opportunities

 

[eth-dog]

Im not sure the Hawks are going to let Pittonet go. From what ive read, he has the keys to #1 once McEvoy retires.


Goddard would be a good one to put in as a developing young ruck
And i'd look at Phillips as the new Clarke to play behind TBC until the kids are up to it

Not sure how good Trengove is as a ruck, but has the benefit of being able to play outside that role (ie defence or forward iirc)

People whinge about Clarke, then suggest Phillips who is inferior to him. Fmd.

 

[faible]

2 would be TBC.
He'd be 1 until Draper is ready and proven at AFL level unless we find a short term #1.

If Bowman is more forward than ruck, no harm grabbing him as a McKernan replacement (we aren't that well stocked up forward either.

As an example;
Rucks - TBC, Phillips/Trengove, Draper, Goddard
Forwards - Daniher, McKernan, Stewart, Bowman

It may look like a lot of height on the list, but it took two injuries (TBC and Daniher) and we fell into a hole this year.

I did say 5 years, don't think TBC will still be around then, but you'd be looking at someone like a Witts who might want to come back to VIC (is he even from VIC?) and would be ~32 around then. I do think you need an experienced back-up ruckman on the list even if it's a journeyman type.

But we were definitely exposed for KPP's this year with only Bellchambers playing substantial numbers of games.

 

[DapperJong]

People whinge about Clarke, then suggest Phillips who is inferior to him. Fmd.

Phillips is better. So is Ceglar. So is McEvoy. etc etc etc

 

[Tazdog]

2 would be TBC.
He'd be 1 until Draper is ready and proven at AFL level unless we find a short term #1.

If Bowman is more forward than ruck, no harm grabbing him as a McKernan replacement (we aren't that well stocked up forward either.

As an example;
Rucks - TBC, Phillips/Trengove, Draper, Goddard
Forwards - Daniher, McKernan, Stewart, Bowman

It may look like a lot of height on the list, but it took two injuries (TBC and Daniher) and we fell into a hole this year.

eDPS Thoughts on Harrison jones, as a forward for the future. Obviously very raw but around our second rounders it seems

 

[Cold Sober]

JD to Swans
McCartin to Geelong
Kelly to WC
Gaff to Essendon

 

[Yoda_]

Is Frampton from Power any good? Talk of him moving to Crows for more opportunities

I've been a big fan. Managed to get my hands on a couple of his games earlier in the season (thanks Ch 7 app) and he has the tools to be a competent AFL player. I like him. Averaged 2.4 goals a game at SANFL level playing predominantly as a fwd but did manage to showcase his ability in the ruck earlier in the season. Can take a big grab, is mobile enough and at 22 (almost 23) is entering into his prime. I don't understand why we aren't even doing our due dilligence on him as he is a perfect fit for us to replace McKernan who has been serviceable to say the least.

 

[sin411]

JD to Swans
McCartin to Geelong
Kelly to WC
Gaff to Essendon

And we get a first-rounder in that deal somewhere to i assume?

 

[Yoda_]

More thinking if this Bowman kid is worth a gamble as a rookie, he becomes #4

1-TBC (he's our best when fit)
2-New kid
3-Draper when he's ready
4-Bowman

New kid ideally would be able to play forward as well. Someone like Jenkins but closer to 20 than 30.

Bingo!

By taking Bowman, you are essentially doubling up on a #3/#4 ruck as he could/should/would be on par with a returning Draper (post ACL). If they both become good, great. Trade currency.

If they both fail, that is unlucky as you take Bowman in particualar as a 2 - 4 year prospect. which by that stage you know what you are getting with a 23 - 25 y.o Draper.

 

[Yoda_]

Am I the only one who would be underwhelmed with McCartin? Would fit in well at Essendon as an almost player. 193cm who has looked more comfortble in defence than attack where we have guys already on our list in a similar position (BZT/Gleeson/Francis in defence, Laverde, Gown in attack). Sure, he may have more talent but it has been underwhelming so far from the very little I have seen of him.

 

[citizen-erased]

Bingo!

By taking Bowman, you are essentially doubling up on a #3/#4 ruck as he could/should/would be on par with a returning Draper (post ACL). If they both become good, great. Trade currency.

If they both fail, that is unlucky as you take Bowman in particualar as a 2 - 4 year prospect. which by that stage you know what you are getting with a 23 - 25 y.o Draper.

this level of list planning seems beyond us though
Ryder and TBC was thin depth coming into 2014 as it was. Ryder left, we gambled on Draper and Lavender. 1/2 but that 1 still hasnt played AFL.
Berger and Clarke have been stop gaps in that time.

 

[TheGrizz]

Am I the only one who would be underwhelmed with McCartin? Would fit in well at Essendon as an almost player. 193cm who has looked more comfortble in defence than attack where we have guys already on our list in a similar position (BZT/Gleeson/Francis in defence, Laverde, Gown in attack). Sure, he may have more talent but it has been underwhelming so far from the very little I have seen of him.

I really like McCartin. You would be getting him as a 2nd tall forward, not as your main target. We would still need to recruit another I think (Riccardi or Jeka, personally).

Provided we do lose Joe and McCartin is part of the trade, really i think he takes Browns spot and we play McKernan, McCartin and Stringer as our tall mix.

Gown is a lead up player and McCartin is more a contested marking player from what I have seen. I would argue that McCartin has already gone past Laverde as a player and is almost 4 years younger.