Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

Any issues with it post in this thread:

Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

Father/Son & NGA discussion goes here: James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

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[11kgm]

If we are taking Dow off their hands, I’d insist on their first.

Agree Carlton have no good players not getting games sadly

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Paddy Dow and a second

he'd suit our culture of butchering the ball by foot.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

If they are offering 700+ over 5, we’ll be getting their first rounder.

As hopeful as I’d like to be, I don’t think we can guarantee anything. They offered Jack Martin a pretty hefty contract too. About 600k a year.

 

[andleanback]

As hopeful as I’d like to be, I don’t think we can guarantee anything. They offered Jack Martin a pretty hefty contract too. About 600k a year.

Big difference from 600 to 700+

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Big difference from 600 to 700+

Not the difference between a first rounder and the PSD.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Not the difference between a first rounder and the PSD.

surely someone else would pick up Saad before Carlton in the PSD, someone has to do this eventually to stop it from happening.

I want to know how Blues can afford Williams and Saad signings.

 

[andleanback]

Not the difference between a first rounder and the PSD.

Hawks will grab him, so that plan won’t work this year.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

I want to know how Blues can afford Williams and Saad signings.

A lot of young guys on low contracts, vets get a discount don’t they if over 30? Not like they’re flushed with guys in mid/late 20s on post FA type contracts.
I mean less than what we would have had when we signed Stringer, Saad and Smith in one off season

 

[andleanback]

A lot of young guys on low contracts, vets get a discount don’t they if over 30? Not like they’re flushed with guys in mid/late 20s on post FA type contracts.
I mean less than what we would have had when we signed Stringer, Saad and Smith in one off season

Pretty sure they got rid of the veteran list discount.

 

[citizen-erased]

surely someone else would pick up Saad before Carlton in the PSD, someone has to do this eventually to stop it from happening.

I want to know how Blues can afford Williams and Saad signings.

Crows would be nuts not to.
But then if Saad walks to the PSD, we surely take him again.

 

[citizen-erased]

surely someone else would pick up Saad before Carlton in the PSD, someone has to do this eventually to stop it from happening.

I want to know how Blues can afford Williams and Saad signings.

who would they be paying?

Cripps and maybe Curnow.
McKay may end up commanding some cash, as will Weitering.

Then?
they don't have a lot of top end talent that would command big coin....and i don't see much on their list that might do so in the next 3-5 years.
they'll be recruiting those players, so can manage the cap accordingly.

We're much the same.
As Hurley, Hooker & Heppell drop off, a fair bit of post-saga cash is going to put us in a strong position to retain what we want and hunt what we need.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

who would they be paying?

Cripps and maybe Curnow.
McKay may end up commanding some cash, as will Weitering.

Then?
they don't have a lot of top end talent that would command big coin....and i don't see much on their list that might do so in the next 3-5 years.
they'll be recruiting those players, so can manage the cap accordingly.

We're much the same.
As Hurley, Hooker & Heppell drop off, a fair bit of post-saga cash is going to put us in a strong position to retain what we want and hunt what we need.

Walsh, Martin...

If you're Walsh and Cripps you would be looking at Williams contract and saying we're almost worth twice the amount he is.

Kemp and a couple others may come on and demand more money and as you say will cripple Carltons Salary cap in a year or two.

 

[Saint]

Walsh, Martin...

If you're Walsh and Cripps you would be looking at Williams contract and saying we're almost worth twice the amount he is.

Kemp and a couple others may come on and demand more money and as you say will cripple Carltons Salary cap in a year or two.

I think when a player moves, it seems to suit them better to over-state their contract to save face for the club they're leaving. So their supporters don't complain about paying the same. "Oh he's just leaving for money, good on him if they're going to pay him that much, he's not worth that". For example, there's no way Tyrone Vickery was on what people were saying Hawthorn were paying him.

When do you ever hear about a player leaving and then revealing it's less money (or about the same)? It never happens in public, but it must happen in footy all the time. There's a disconnect there.

 

[BrunoV]

That's a hard no to Dow. He has too much mediocre exposed form to be considered as the former top 5 pick he was. His kicking is poor and it's not clear the explosiveness of his junior days is a factor at AFL level. Have to steer clear, in my view.

I think I've read a few times now that we were interested in Brodie Kemp (and Harrison Jones) in the 10+ range of the 2019 draft. While Kemp is no more likely to make it than Dow at this stage, the difference is that he's essentially a 19 year old kid we'd be looking at in and around our first pick this year and we don't have the warning of exposed form. We've also got more IP on him than most of the players we'd take in his place.

If we liked a big inside mid 12 months ago, and there is nothing to suggest we should like him any less, that's probably what gets the deal done. Saad is a gun but I don't really know how we can argue we should get more than what is essentially a top 10 pick for him (the focus should be on how we rated
Kemp and not where the pick would fall).

The question is why would Carlton do that deal? They need another inside mid (to add to Cripps and Setterfield) and Kemp is probably their most likely (with Stocker who went cold this year).

I'd have a look at Silvagni but that's in the context of him seemingly looking for a new suitor and my interesting being to develop him in an inside role I've seen him play a bit. He'd probably be worth too much as steak knives (i.e. Kemp + Silvagni which would I do without hesitation if Saad wanted out and chose Carlton).

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Hawks will grab him, so that plan won’t work this year.

Probably, but maybe it’s a gamble they are willing to make again. Not many teams would be holding onto 750k worth of additional cap space by the time PSD rolls around on the chance Saad doesn’t re-sign. From their perspective they can keep the first rounder and have a free shot at Saad if not keep enough cap space for a war chest the year after.

 

[citizen-erased]

Walsh, Martin...

If you're Walsh and Cripps you would be looking at Williams contract and saying we're almost worth twice the amount he is.

Kemp and a couple others may come on and demand more money and as you say will cripple Carltons Salary cap in a year or two.

i would imagine Cripps is on a pretty good deal. Even with Williams joining, he'd be their best paid player.
Walsh...as good as he is, honestly not one i'd expect to be getting massive $ based on output to date.
Fair call on Martin. though i think he's on something like 600k.

I don't think Saad on 700+ would be a hard swing for them.

 

[citizen-erased]

Probably, but maybe it’s a gamble they are willing to make again. Not many teams would be holding onto 750k worth of additional cap space by the time PSD rolls around on the chance Saad doesn’t re-sign. From their perspective they can keep the first rounder and have a free shot at Saad if not keep enough cap space for a war chest the year after.

hawks and north ahead of us, with cash, and a need for some talent.

 

[BrunoV]

surely someone else would pick up Saad before Carlton in the PSD, someone has to do this eventually to stop it from happening.

I want to know how Blues can afford Williams and Saad signings.

The age/experience of the side is inflated by 300 game players who would not have been on that much and journeymen like Curnow, Jones and Casboult all 30 and who would not be on heaps. The McGovern deal would have been front ended. They're young and most of their next gen are coming into that age in which they'll start with the big money deals.

 

[faible]

For example, there's no way Tyrone Vickery was on what people were saying Hawthorn were paying him.

Disagree, he almost definitely was.

 

[Mootsy]

So...
What’s the word on the street?

 

[Milanista28]

Raz could go, Moz is out for next season should we consider a play for Lonie?

 

[Milanista28]

Disagree, he almost definitely was.

I think a document was leaked at the time that showed good money?

 

[faible]

I think a document was leaked at the time that showed good money?

Hawks also had to include his salary in their cap after he retired.

From memory they basically paid over the odds money-wise to ensure Richmond were happy with the compo pick so they didn't need to trade anything.

 

[eth-dog]

Raz could go, Moz is out for next season should we consider a play for Lonie?

Little shit always cuts us up at AFL and VFL level.

But nah, Matera is basically the same player and is DFA

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Club statement

Adelaide is investigating an incident involving two of its players

www.afc.com.au

This might change Brad Crouch's worth/Adelaide's compo.