Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

[Lore]

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

Any issues with it post in this thread:

Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

Father/Son & NGA discussion goes here: James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

?

 

[Atavistic]

Why would they want to pay top dollar for a potential free hit? All good if he does go into PSD as far as I’m concerned.

I'm not a fan of the PSD. IMO they should get rid of it.

If Carlton had sucked harder this year and finished bottom four, they could have walked Saad to the PSD, or at least threatened to.

 

[SherbertLemon]

Our player movement system is terrible.
Clubs should have absolute power in trading a player if they have their signature, until a player reaches free agency status

 

[The Prosecutor]

Looking at the number of players we have contracted or are likely to retain, plus the ones we are apparently bringing in, we aren't going to be taking many picks to the draft. Might get one pick in before academy bids and then that'll be us done. If we lose Phillips we can draft two plus Brand+Eyre.

That being the case, we will probably only use 6 as a live selection, 7 will be split and used to bring in the ones we've committed to, and we might try to move more into the 2021 draft.

Maybe that's why we don't seem to want 8 or 28?

Also gives credence to trying to move up the order.

 

[Mootsy]

Any good mids in the VFL?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Any good mids in the VFL?

Well Hibberd was one of the better ones in 2019....says it all

 

[11kgm]

Well Hibberd was one of the better ones in 2019....says it all

Only played something like 6 percent in the guts

 

[andleanback]

Dylan Clarke

37

Dylan Clarke

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

and McGrath are the only ones that come to mind at the moment. Dunkley will certainly add to this

Sam draper says hi

 

[Sporno 4 Pyros]

Liked for the Malcolm Gladwell reference

Does he have a theory that big bodied midfielders are born between January and March each year?
Fun fact - Apparently Malcolm would have beaten Mark Blicsavs in a steeplechase race back in his youth.

 

[84859300]

Well Hibberd was one of the better ones in 2019....says it all

That guy we wouldn't play in the middle?

Yeah, I remember him.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Only played something like 6 percent in the guts

That guy we wouldn't play in the middle?

Yeah, I remember him.

Don’t think it would have made any difference

 

[11kgm]

Don’t think it would have made any difference

If you played draper at fullback and he did crap and cut him you'd be piased

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

If you played draper at fullback and he did crap and cut him you'd be piased

Not the same. He was at centre bounces, it was clear he was too slow, poor kick..etc. There’s a reason he won’t be on any list next season

 

[11kgm]

Not the same. He was at centre bounces, it was clear he was too slow, poor kick..etc. There’s a reason he won’t be on any list next season

He attended just 6 percent this year

 

[Lore]

We have what 35 on the current list as of right now? 34 with I.Mosquite placed on the inactive list if thats a viable option

That includes guys like Townsend, D.Clarke, Zaharakis, L.Johnson, Hooker, Crauford (1 of Hird, 2 irish)

I put the breakdown in a different thread but I was counting 37 including Brand, Eyre, Dunkley, Caldwell, Wright, Hind on the senior list and Kyle Dunkley

48

Kyle Dunkley

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

9.6

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

as a rookie. Working on a list of 38 that’ll be one spot open.

Contracted for 2021
Out of contract
Not ours yet
Aged 28 and over
Yet to debut

Shopping List	~Talls	Spine	~Smalls
lockdown 1v1 contested marking good DE accurate kick	Back Pocket Patrick Ambrose, 29, 191/92 Martin Gleeson, 26, 191/86 Cian McBride, 20, 197/89 (R)​	Full Back Brendon Zerk-Thatcher, 22, 195/86 Cale Hooker, 32, 198/103 Cody Brand, 18, 197/90​	Back Pocket Matt Guelfi, 23, 184/85 Devon Smith 5 Devon Smith Age 31 Ht 176cm Wt 78kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 18.8 5star K 11.1 4star HB 7.8 5star M 3.3 3star T 5.3 5star G 0.9 4star D 16.3 4star K 9.1 4star HB 7.1 4star M 2.3 2star T 5.0 5star G 0.6 4star D 15.6 4star K 9.2 4star HB 6.4 4star M 3.0 3star T 4.0 5star G 0.2 3star , 27, 174/77​
Rebound defenders strong intercept mark good read of the ball good DE	Half-Back Flank Aaron Francis, 23, 192/90 Mason Redman, 23, 187/87 Ross McQuillan, 22, 188/79 (R)​	Centre Half-Back Jordan Ridley 14 Jordan Ridley Age 26 Ht 195cm Wt 94kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 15.6 4star K 11.1 4star HB 4.5 3star M 6.4 5star T 1.7 4star MG 244.8 4star D 17.0 4star K 11.9 5star HB 5.1 3star M 6.7 5star T 1.7 3star MG 265.4 4star D 13.8 4star K 9.6 4star HB 4.2 4star M 5.2 5star T 1.4 4star MG 208.2 4star , 22, 192/91 Michael Hurley, 30, 192/94​	Half Back Flank Nick Hind, 26, 180/71​
Clean hands footy smarts 360º awareness good endurance burst speed runs both ways	Ruck-Rover Andrew McGrath, 22, 178/83 Darcy Parish, 23, 181/77​	Ruck Sam Draper, 22, 203/107 Andrew Phillips, 29, 201/98 Henry Crauford, 23, 204/102 (R) Nick Bryan, 19, 202/87​	Rover Dylan Shiel, 27, 182/83 Jye Caldwell, 20, 183/82​
spread from contest good endurance footy smarts 360º awareness run both ways goal sense	Wing Kyle Langford, 23, 191/87 Tom Cutler 12 Tom Cutler Age 29 Ht 192cm Wt 89kg Pos. D/M Career Season Last 5 D 18.1 4star K 11.7 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.7 4star T 1.7 4star MG 317.5 4star D 15.5 4star K 9.5 4star HB 6.0 3star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star MG 317.5 4star D 12.0 3star K 8.4 4star HB 3.6 3star M 3.0 3star T 1.0 3star , 25, 192/92 Kyle Dunkley, 20, 185/84 (R)​	Centre Josh Dunkley, 23, 190/88 Dyson Heppell, 28, 188/89 Dylan Clarke 37 Dylan Clarke Age 26 Ht 187cm Wt 87kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.9 4star K 6.1 2star HB 8.8 5star M 1.9 2star T 6.3 5star CL 2.3 4star No current season stats available D 16.0 4star K 6.8 3star HB 9.2 5star M 2.2 3star T 6.6 5star CL 3.4 5star , 22, 187/87​	Wing Zach Merrett, 25, 180/83 Brayden Ham, 21, 181/70 Tom Hird, 19, 182/70 (R)​
Up the ground strong mark connection to mids inside 50s goal sense	Half-Forward Flank James Stewart 17 James Stewart Age 30 Ht 199cm Wt 99kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.4 3star K 6.8 3star HB 4.7 3star M 4.1 4star T 1.9 4star MG 193.5 3star No current season stats available D 12.4 4star K 7.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.8 4star T 0.8 3star MG 200.4 4star , 26, 199/96 Harrison Jones, 19, 194/75​	Centre Half-Forward Jayden Laverde, 24, 191/91 Jacob Townsend 21 Jacob Townsend Age 31 Ht 187cm Wt 89kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 9.7 2star K 5.5 2star HB 4.3 3star M 2.5 3star T 4.0 5star G 0.7 4star D 6.9 1star K 4.6 2star HB 2.3 2star M 2.1 2star T 3.0 4star G 1.0 4star D 7.8 2star K 5.0 2star HB 2.8 3star M 2.0 3star T 3.6 5star G 0.2 3star , 27, 187/89 (R)​	Half-Forward Flank Will Snelling 23, 175/70 (R) David Zaharakis, 30, 180/79 Lachlan Johnson, 19, 176/75​
Highly talented contested 1v1 contested marking crumbers goal sense	Forward Pocket Jake Stringer, 26, 192/95​	Full Forward Peter Wright, 24, 203/103 Josh Eyre, 18, 198/85​	Forward Pocket Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, 27, 171/77 Irving Mosquito, 20, 176/72 Ned Cahill, 19, 178/77​

44 players total, guessing K.Dunkley is a rookie so that's 7 rookies, and 37 seniors. If the list is capped at 38 then we will have one more senior spot open.

So unless we make another spot, we can only use one of those two first rounders we have... if Phillips leaves then I guess that's one? So at best two picks in the draft aside from the academy boys? We can also put Mozzie on the inactive list but I think that only makes an extra rookie spot, not a senior spot.

One pick would make sense with what we'll need to pay for the ones we want to bring in anyway.

Still need small defenders (lockdown and rebound) obviously, I assume Hind would play there if we get him despite being a forward for StK. FB looks a little shaky too. Not convinced Zerk has arrived at the level, while Hooker's train is leaving the station and Brand isn't even drafted yet.

Another medium-sized marking forward/taller wing should be on the agenda too, we'll need one especially if Stringer gets injured as we will be wanting to clone Langford otherwise.

 

[TheGrizz]

Saad for future 1st

Pick 7 to GWS for Caldwell and pick 20 (contingent on GWS getting it for Cameron)

Carlton 2021 1st and pick 20 for Dunkley and pick 41

Out: Saad and Daniher
In: Dunkley and Caldwell
Picks 6, 41, 48, 67, 73

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

I wouldn't be doing 7 for Caldwell and 20. I'd be wanting one of their compo picks back.

Biggest thing is, we need to get the saad deal out the way so the PSD threat is real. If we chuck a huge $ on his head, which we can- no other club is picking him up for a million dollars without him doing medicals/meeting with them.

 

[HirdyLannister]

This whole 2 or 3 first round picks for dunkley is ludicrous, he isn't in the dogs starting midfield.

1 first and 2nd round pick should be enough, and if they get treloar in a 3way it should only take a pick in the teens to finalise the trade.

If dunkley was so good he would be in the top 2 or 3 midfielders at the dogs but he's the 5/6th best.

 

[srobbo]

srobbo,

As a long term Dogs fan I’ve seen and heard a lot.

I’ve seen 7 preliminary final losses, some of which we stole defeat from the jaws of victory.

I’ve seen the club nearly merge and be in the financial brink.

I’ve seen star players leave, I’ve seen abysmal performances and 100 point floggings in the 80’s at Windy Hill, Princes Park, Victoria Park and the lot.

I’ve heard all the jibes about having one premiership, the prelim losses,called Western suburbs scum.

I’ve seen and heard it all, and shrugged it all off, water off a ducks back, part and parcel of being a Dogs supporter.

But I will not sit back and allow you to compare us to ****ing Norf supporters.

I can tolerate a lot, but I will not tolerate that!!

lol I did say arguably but you do bring the average up. As for the other 95% of cretins on your board I could easily put them in the same basket as those Norf buffoons.

 

[srobbo]

Matty Parker??

Pass from me. VFL player.

We got 2 of them last year in Cutler & Townsend.

 

[Atavistic]

I wouldn't be doing 7 for Caldwell and 20. I'd be wanting one of their compo picks back.

Biggest thing is, we need to get the saad deal out the way so the PSD threat is real. If we chuck a huge $ on his head, which we can- no other club is picking him up for a million dollars without him doing medicals/meeting with them.

What about 7 and next year's 2nd rounder for 10 and Caldwell?

 

[KarmaFarm]

What about 7 and next year's 2nd rounder for 10 and Caldwell?

Assuming they get 11 and 13 from Geelong I think that would be more likely to happen with 13 coming back to us.

 

[citizen-erased]

Dylan Clarke

37

Dylan Clarke

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

and McGrath are the only ones that come to mind at the moment. Dunkley will certainly add to this

Stringer too.
TBC was awesome for it

 

[Towno78]

I'd personally preferred that we pass, seems wayyyy too soft for mine, physically and mentally and I will put it out there now that I think Cahill is going to be an absolute gem from next season onwards, would prefer to put the games into him..

Far out, only on Bigfooty.
Don't want the jet that kicked 38 goals in his first year, because we have spuddy McSpudface who has zero AFL quality traits, but I just know he's going to be a gem!
If you don't want Stephenson cos he's a flog, or bad for culture, fine. But not because we have Cahill waiting in the wings, **** me.
Personally, I'd take Stephenson for a wing and punt Cutler asap.

 

[BomberARMY]

Far out, only on Bigfooty.
Don't want the jet that kicked 38 goals in his first year, because we have spuddy McSpudface who has zero AFL quality traits, but I just know he's going to be a gem!
If you don't want Stephenson cos he's a flog, or bad for culture, fine. But not because we have Cahill waiting in the wings, fu** me.
Personally, I'd take Stephenson for a wing and punt Cutler asap.

Did you even watch Stephenson this year? **** me dead, we want blokes who'll have a red hot crack, he is not one of them. See a lot of good traits in Cahill and happy to revisit this next year with another season under his belt.. just seems like one of those goal kicking types we need and happy to be proven wrong.. at least give him more than 3 games before you write him off though...

 

[Corleone]

I don't know why it has to be too complicated tbh.

Essendon give; Pick 7
Essendon get; Dunkley

WBD give; Dunkley
WBD get; Treloar

Coll give; Treloar
Coll get; Pick 7

I know WBD might want more, but Dunkley has requested trade and by gaining Treloar they don't lose out here. Especially as Coll are willing to pay portions of his salary. Also the rumours were Coll were willing to trade Treloar for pick 5 from GC so Pick 7 isn't a bridge too far.

As for Saad, it should be as simple as a straight trade for Carlton's future first rounder. We should be holding onto this pick IMO with the strength of next year's Draft we should try and hold onto some currency for next year.

Caldwell, I think when it comes to crunch will go for a future second rounder. I can't see Hately going for more than that and I can't see any logical reason why they'd be asking for more than that for Caldwell.