List Mgmt. Trade Hypotheticals (opposition posters post here)

[x_les_x]

Hey guys its been mentioned on our board and fiveaa that were interested in jake barett. Has apparently done a medical at the club. Few questions for the neafl viewers as there is no exposure down here.

What is his disposal like; in close, under pressure, in space?
He recorded good combine results in the beep test and 20m sprint does he use these attributes to good effect?
Why didnt he get games at afl level?
What would he realistically cost; we have no second round pick and apparently going for vardy aswell maybe a third, fourth round and or a player? In that case what type of player do you guys think you need?

Cheers

 

[Danny88]

Hey guys its been mentioned on our board and fiveaa that were interested in jake barett. Has apparently done a medical at the club. Few questions for the neafl viewers as there is no exposure down here.

What is his disposal like; in close, under pressure, in space?
He recorded good combine results in the beep test and 20m sprint does he use these attributes to good effect?
Why didnt he get games at afl level?
What would he realistically cost; we have no second round pick and apparently going for vardy aswell maybe a third, fourth round and or a player? In that case what type of player do you guys think you need?

Cheers

He gets lots of ball- think the knock on him is he doesn't use it too well. Reckon a third rounder will get that done easy

 

[Mullayo]

If Carlton get Marchbank and Stewart they'll have to rename themselves Greater Central Melbourne Giants.

They should also be playing in the VFL as they are essentially our second team.

 

[Danny88]

Hi, Now that Stevie J is going around again would you have any interest in Bruest? If so, what value would you put on him? Also would Tomlinson be on the table as part of a deal? No-one at our club knows if he would be willing to be traded, but you being flag favourites next year might sway him.

Personally I'd take him in a heart beat and I'd give a first round selection to do it

 

[_GT_]

Hi, Now that Stevie J is going around again would you have any interest in Bruest? If so, what value would you put on him? Also would Tomlinson be on the table as part of a deal? No-one at our club knows if he would be willing to be traded, but you being flag favourites next year might sway him.

We would absolutely have interest in Bruest. Stevie has one more go at, but you have to factor in the chance he falls off a cliff during 2017. In Bruest you have some great experience coming into the forward line for next year and future years. Someone like Smith pushes into the mid field more (which he likes). I get the feeling we only put Tommo on the table if that is want he wants. He says he is committed to staying, so therefore he won't be part of trade period. If Bruest gets to us, it is likely to be through a complicated deal that gets the likes of T Michell and/or O'Mera to the Hawks.

 

[60sbomber]

In the light of the article today on afl.com about Essendon and GWS meeting last Friday to talk about a possible deal to deliver #1 pick to you guys, can I just get an understanding of what the rationale for it is, from a GWS perspective?

Is it that you only want to use one pick, plus add Perryman, Setterfield and maybe a couple of other academy kids, and so the one pick you do use might as well be #1 (whether it be used on McGrath or someone else)?
All other deals, involving McCarthy, Marchbank, WHE (others?), will only yield more picks that, together with your current picks, you will use to secure your academy guys?
Is that it?
If not, what is the thinking?
I find it hard to believe you are so keen for McGrath in preference to whoever else you might get at 7, that you would give up much to get him.

 

[dlanod]

Personally I'd take him in a heart beat and I'd give a first round selection to do it

Ditto. I do wonder if we can get pick 1 + Breust both done. I'd rather Breust TBH.

 

[Hawkboy62]

If Carlton get Marchbank and Stewart they'll have to rename themselves Greater Central Melbourne Giants.

They should also be playing in the VFL as they are essentially our second team.

uery about Carlton targeting Marchbank & Stewart. Many of there posters are adamant that they are keeping pick 5.

We would absolutely have interest in Bruest. Stevie has one more go at, but you have to factor in the chance he falls off a cliff during 2017. In Bruest you have some great experience coming into the forward line for next year and future years. Someone like Smith pushes into the mid field more (which he likes). I get the feeling we only put Tommo on the table if that is want he wants. He says he is committed to staying, so therefore he won't be part of trade period. If Bruest gets to us, it is likely to be through a complicated deal that gets the likes of T Michell and/or O'Mera to the Hawks.

Thanks for that. From the Carlton board, a lot of their posters believe they can get Marchbank and Stewart but keep pick 5, (yet their Tuohy is definitely worth a first rounder). What sort of deal do you envisage?

 

[ClockworkOrange]

In the light of the article today on afl.com about Essendon and GWS meeting last Friday to talk about a possible deal to deliver #1 pick to you guys, can I just get an understanding of what the rationale for it is, from a GWS perspective?

Is it that you only want to use one pick, plus add Perryman, Setterfield and maybe a couple of other academy kids, and so the one pick you do use might as well be #1 (whether it be used on McGrath or someone else)?
All other deals, involving McCarthy, Marchbank, WHE (others?), will only yield more picks that, together with your current picks, you will use to secure your academy guys?
Is that it?
If not, what is the thinking?
I find it hard to believe you are so keen for McGrath in preference to whoever else you might get at 7, that you would give up much to get him.

I expect that's ballpark correct, but maybe there's a 3rd club that values pick #1 more highly than us and has a KP player we want for 2017.

Then we trade them 'pick #1 + x' for that KP player.

 

[Colonial]

Ditto. I do wonder if we can get pick 1 + Breust both done. I'd rather Breust TBH.

Same. Happy with our academy grads and Breust at the right price would be great.

 

[x_les_x]

He gets lots of ball- think the knock on him is he doesn't use it too well. Reckon a third rounder will get that done easy

Under pressure or on his own? Does he do hack kicks out of stoppages?

 

[Bokonon]

Under pressure or on his own? Does he do hack kicks out of stoppages?

He was an emergency this year a couple of times but couldn't crack it in the ones.
With Steele, Hopper and Bam Bam Kennedy fighting for the last spot not an easy thing to do, and we had a relatively fit list for most of the year.
He runs hard, tackles really hard but his disposal by foot has been questioned. He can kick but we have better options, sadly, I like the cut of his jib. Lot of fight in him generally.
He's racked up 40 posessions and over 10 tackles at times in the NEAFL.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

I haven't seen Downie linked to any clubs or re-signing. Does anyone know where he is going? I assume Lobbe is leaving Port so we need a backup for Ryder who can preferably be second ruck and play forward. Nankervis and Downie seem like the most obvious choices?

 

[_GT_]

I haven't seen Downie linked to any clubs or re-signing. Does anyone know where he is going? I assume Lobbe is leaving Port so we need a backup for Ryder who can preferably be second ruck and play forward. Nankervis and Downie seem like the most obvious choices?

All quiet on the Downie front at the moment. 50/50 stay or go.

Have you considered Witts?

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Witts / Ryder has the same problem as Lobbe / Ryder. We need someone who doesn't need to be a number 1 ruck. Hopefully someone youngish who won't cost the world. Anyway. Cheers.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Well according to the Roar, last year we were right into Witts but it was him who turned us down....

Jarrod Witts – Looking for more opportunities as a ruckman. GWS were interested last year but he said no. Port Adelaide, Brisbane interested. Out of contract.

To which I can only say

Methinks somebody has been reading too much Big Footy.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/10/03/afl-trade-rumours-every-rumour-all-in-one-place/

 

[Bokonon]

Witts / Ryder has the same problem as Lobbe / Ryder. We need someone who doesn't need to be a number 1 ruck. Hopefully someone youngish who won't cost the world. Anyway. Cheers.

Think the joke was Collindwood keep trying to offload him to us. Dont know about Downie. The one game Mummy missed he came in as replacement this year. Probably means we want him as depth. Prospect of playing more at AFL level may well interest him, not sure of his wishes. How Dawson Simpson is vewed probably matters too, bit early for Flynn to step up to our ones you would think.

 

[Faz 2000]

uery about Carlton targeting Marchbank & Stewart. Many of there posters are adamant that they are keeping pick 5.

Obviously the Marchbank shot has been called with it being reported he's "nominated" Carlton (still think it's crapola that players can do that, or that it carries any weight). Dunno about Stewart. Stocks have clearly dropped since some promising signs a few years back. But he's behind some serious talent, too, so might still be something.

I think the Blues would be very stupid to move pick 5 for Marchbank, who is clearly a talent but is far from a certainty. His stocks haven't gone UP since he was drafted at pick 6, so for a rebuilding team like us we can't be paying overs for him. He's definitely worth a fair bit, but GWS are groaning with talent and are just going to lose some for a bit less than it's worth. Something will get done, but I'll be very disappointed if it includes pick 5.

 

[Bokonon]

Obviously the Marchbank shot has been called with it being reported he's "nominated" Carlton (still think it's crapola that players can do that, or that it carries any weight). Dunno about Stewart. Stocks have clearly dropped since some promising signs a few years back. But he's behind some serious talent, too, so might still be something.

I think the Blues would be very stupid to move pick 5 for Marchbank, who is clearly a talent but is far from a certainty. His stocks haven't gone UP since he was drafted at pick 6, so for a rebuilding team like us we can't be paying overs for him. He's definitely worth a fair bit, but GWS are groaning with talent and are just going to lose some for a bit less than it's worth. Something will get done, but I'll be very disappointed if it includes pick 5.

Ok with your post generally, but completely reject the argument we have loads of talent and will offload for less than market value. Not gunna happen, but a deal re Marchbamk has to be done one way or the other.

 

[Giant Strides]

Obviously the Marchbank shot has been called with it being reported he's "nominated" Carlton (still think it's crapola that players can do that, or that it carries any weight). Dunno about Stewart. Stocks have clearly dropped since some promising signs a few years back. But he's behind some serious talent, too, so might still be something.

I think the Blues would be very stupid to move pick 5 for Marchbank, who is clearly a talent but is far from a certainty. His stocks haven't gone UP since he was drafted at pick 6, so for a rebuilding team like us we can't be paying overs for him. He's definitely worth a fair bit, but GWS are groaning with talent and are just going to lose some for a bit less than it's worth. Something will get done, but I'll be very disappointed if it includes pick 5.

I think that Carlton are very wary of a trade in the same vein as the Jaksch/Whiley/#19 trade, so agree that getting CFC to trade #5 is a hard sell. Stewart won't add much value - definitely seen in that 'nice to fill a hole for a couple of years, but steak knives' perspective. Notwithstanding GWS' current list content, the club would be very stupid not to drive the best bargain it can - which it tends to do so for those players it rates very highly while letting lesser players go cheaply. And there is where Giants & Carlton differ on Marchbank. You don't think he's a certainty, but we believe he is and (apart from reaction to him bailing out) don't want to lose him. Notwithstanding, GWS is also willing to deal, so will be interesting to see what happens here. Possibly very linked to what other trades and/or draft desires are in play as to how hard GWS push.

 

[Faz 2000]

Ok with your post generally, but completely reject the argument we have loads of talent and will offload for less than market value. Not gunna happen, but a deal re Marchbamk has to be done one way or the other.

GWS have barely made a misstep in list mgt since day-dot, I'm not suggesting they can be hoodwinked or bullied. More that there's inevitable pressures on STRONG lists that can force some talent out. Either eventually everyone wants their $$$ so cap pressure squeezes out players, or good youngsters can't get a go behind a logjam of primo talent.

Blues can't bridge gaping list talent gaps by paying over market value (or probably even market value), so need to haggle and bargain shop wherever they can.

 

[Bokonon]

GWS have barely made a misstep in list mgt since day-dot, I'm not suggesting they can be hoodwinked or bullied. More that there's inevitable pressures on STRONG lists that can force some talent out. Either eventually everyone wants their $$$ so cap pressure squeezes out players, or good youngsters can't get a go behind a logjam of primo talent.

Blues can't bridge gaping list talent gaps by paying over market value (or probably even market value), so need to haggle and bargain shop wherever they can.

I cant be bothered looking for a picture, but imagine me climbing down a ladder.

 

[Colonial]

Blues can't bridge gaping list talent gaps by paying over market value..

Why not we had to.

 

[Faz 2000]

I cant be bothered looking for a picture, but imagine me climbing down a ladder.

... because you've been on the roof or...?

 

[Bokonon]

... because you've been on the roof or...?

I meant climbing down from my previous post. Not sure how the trade wiĺl be done, jusr hope it is to everyones benefit