List Mgmt. Trade Hypotheticals (opposition posters post here)

[dlanod]

Well according to the Roar, last year we were right into Witts but it was him who turned us down....

Jarrod Witts – Looking for more opportunities as a ruckman. GWS were interested last year but he said no. Port Adelaide, Brisbane interested. Out of contract.

To which I can only say

Methinks somebody has been reading too much Big Footy.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/10/03/afl-trade-rumours-every-rumour-all-in-one-place/

It was reported in a few places last year. He was being pressured out as some element in the Treloar trade (maybe instead of the upgrade from last year's second rounder to this year's first rounder) but declined to move.

 

[Yoda_]

uery about Carlton targeting Marchbank & Stewart. Many of there posters are adamant that they are keeping pick 5.

Thanks for that. From the Carlton board, a lot of their posters believe they can get Marchbank and Stewart but keep pick 5, (yet their Tuohy is definitely worth a first rounder). What sort of deal do you envisage?

Almost as laughable as Richmond supporters thinking they get Prestia without handing over pick 6 (or 2017 first rounder)

 

[Giant Heart]

How good is Marchbank and is he actually worth pick #5? I was talking to my Dad tonight and he said Carlton has two Round 1. picks this year? Something about it being from Geelong last year and it would depend on where Geelong finished on the ladder this year?

So it would be a late first round pick, or something like that, if my understanding of the scenario was correct. And, would Carlton then presumably try and trade that for Marchbank, or is that already being used for a trade target somewhere else?

The club (GWS) seems to do everything right regarding drafting. Carlton seem to want to pinch a lot of our players. Silvagni would not want to try and pull the wool over our eyes, but if Carlton supporters are anything to go by, I think he might be!

 

[peters17]

How good is Marchbank and is he actually worth pick #5? I was talking to my Dad tonight and he said Carlton has two Round 1. picks this year? Something about it being from Geelong last year and it would depend on where Geelong finished on the ladder this year?

So it would be a late first round pick, or something like that, if my understanding of the scenario was correct. And, would Carlton then presumably try and trade that for Marchbank, or is that already being used for a trade target somewhere else?

The club (GWS) seems to do everything right regarding drafting. Carlton seem to want to pinch a lot of our players. Silvagni would not want to try and pull the wool over our eyes, but if Carlton supporters are anything to go by, I think he might be!

Carlton traded Geelongs first rounder to us as a part of the Plowman/Phillips/Sumner/Lamb deal last trade period.

 

[Giant Heart]

Carlton traded Geelongs first rounder to us as a part of the Plowman/Phillips/Sumner/Lamb deal last trade period.

Oh, right. Well I'll be sure to pass that info on. It must have slipped his mind, or he stopped paying attention at some point during the trade period. Thanks!

 

[Bokonon]

How good is Marchbank and is he actually worth pick #5? I was talking to my Dad tonight and he said Carlton has two Round 1. picks this year? Something about it being from Geelong last year and it would depend on where Geelong finished on the ladder this year?

So it would be a late first round pick, or something like that, if my understanding of the scenario was correct. And, would Carlton then presumably try and trade that for Marchbank, or is that already being used for a trade target somewhere else?

The club (GWS) seems to do everything right regarding drafting. Carlton seem to want to pinch a lot of our players. Silvagni would not want to try and pull the wool over our eyes, but if Carlton supporters are anything to go by, I think he might be!

They're trying to argue in their interests, that's not a crime. We want pick 5 they dont want to give it, twas ever thus.
As for Carlton supporters I think I'm supposed to dislike them because of the Hawks rivalry, truly I recall them roughin up young hawks sides in the early eighties but I struggle to hate them. If you're ever going to post on an opposition board the I recommend Carlton and Melbourne as the most civilised, and the least likely to get angry at a GWS poster.

 

[Determinant]

How good is Marchbank and is he actually worth pick #5? I was talking to my Dad tonight and he said Carlton has two Round 1. picks this year? Something about it being from Geelong last year and it would depend on where Geelong finished on the ladder this year?

So it would be a late first round pick, or something like that, if my understanding of the scenario was correct. And, would Carlton then presumably try and trade that for Marchbank, or is that already being used for a trade target somewhere else?

The club (GWS) seems to do everything right regarding drafting. Carlton seem to want to pinch a lot of our players. Silvagni would not want to try and pull the wool over our eyes, but if Carlton supporters are anything to go by, I think he might be!

Marchbank is a likely future star, easily worth a top ten pick given he has delivered on his promise as opposed to 50% of top 10 picks

 

[Giant Heart]

They're trying to argue in their interests, that's not a crime. We want pick 5 they dont want to give it, twas ever thus.
As for Carlton supporters I think I'm supposed to dislike them because of the Hawks rivalry, truly I recall them roughin up young hawks sides in the early eighties but I struggle to hate them. If you're ever going to post on an opposition board the I recommend Carlton and Melbourne as the most civilised, and the least likely to get angry at a GWS poster.

Thanks for the heads up! I'm a long way off posting on other club's boards. I don't know near enough of our own players, let alone their worth. I can't name most players on other teams, so I don't believe in talking unless I can add value - or I need to ask a question - which in regards to management etc. I am a complete n00b! And I'll do so on our board, where I hope I'm not laughed at!

If posters are bagging our club/players on their own board then I'd be inclined to let them have it in their own sanctuary. Same goes with Bay 13 - that place is a joke. But in the main board, all bets are off and every is fair game!

I don't know much about Hawks or their rivalries but from reading on here it seems Hawk supporters hate Geelong, Essendon and Sydney the most. Essendon and Hawthorn must have history, because at least on-field it's been one sided. The games I've seen versus Geelong and versus Sydney have both been usually great games.

Anyway, I'll try not to go OT anymore and pay attention to what happens on trade week. I might even be able to teach my Dad a thing or two by the time trade week is over. LOL.

 

[Giant Heart]

Marchbank is a likely future star, easily worth a top ten pick given he has delivered on his promise as opposed to 50% of top 10 picks

I had a look over at the Carlton board and their opinion is he can't crack our best-22 so therefore he's not worth pick #5.

Logic suggests that he's still developing and therefore will break into the side at some point. His value is yet to be discovered, but popular opinion here suggests that he's tracking nicely.

Hopefully we get value for him if he leaves. I'm sure the club will seem to it that we do.

 

[Bokonon]

Thanks for the heads up! I'm a long way off posting on other club's boards. I don't know near enough of our own players, let alone their worth. I can't name most players on other teams, so I don't believe in talking unless I can add value - or I need to ask a question - which in regards to management etc. I am a complete n00b! And I'll do so on our board, where I hope I'm not laughed at!

If posters are bagging our club/players on their own board then I'd be inclined to let them have it in their own sanctuary. Same goes with Bay 13 - that place is a joke. But in the main board, all bets are off and every is fair game!

I don't know much about Hawks or their rivalries but from reading on here it seems Hawk supporters hate Geelong, Essendon and Sydney the most. Essendon and Hawthorn must have history, because at least on-field it's been one sided. The games I've seen versus Geelong and versus Sydney have both been usually great games.

Anyway, I'll try not to go OT anymore and pay attention to what happens on trade week. I might even be able to teach my Dad a thing or two by the time trade week is over. LOL.

Fair enough, read posters like Ichabod, Elli, Dianod, Land of the Giants and Andre It seems to me they put in the work to know our list well. No doubt I left out others.
I wouldn't be too worried about other boards, dont go looking for a fight though you cant win. Generally their posters need to talk with other posters. Try selling Stewart to Carlton for a second rounder would be a safe start.

 

[Mr Magic]

Almost as laughable as Richmond supporters thinking they get Prestia without handing over pick 6 (or 2017 first rounder)

Not really, Prestia would not get a game for GWS but pick 6 or the 2017 first rounder might.

sure Prestia is better than Palmer but Palmer is not best 22 for GWS either

 

[Determinant]

I had a look over at the Carlton board and their opinion is he can't crack our best-22 so therefore he's not worth pick #5.

Logic suggests that he's still developing and therefore will break into the side at some point. His value is yet to be discovered, but popular opinion here suggests that he's tracking nicely.

Hopefully we get value for him if he leaves. I'm sure the club will seem to it that we do.

Comfortably best 22, unf he has to be fit, if they could play unfit than WHE Ahern and Pickett would already be stars

 

[Mr Magic]

In the light of the article today on afl.com about Essendon and GWS meeting last Friday to talk about a possible deal to deliver #1 pick to you guys, can I just get an understanding of what the rationale for it is, from a GWS perspective?

Is it that you only want to use one pick, plus add Perryman, Setterfield and maybe a couple of other academy kids, and so the one pick you do use might as well be #1 (whether it be used on McGrath or someone else)?
All other deals, involving McCarthy, Marchbank, WHE (others?), will only yield more picks that, together with your current picks, you will use to secure your academy guys?
Is that it?
If not, what is the thinking?
I find it hard to believe you are so keen for McGrath in preference to whoever else you might get at 7, that you would give up much to get him.

Can't see why RFC should not trade big guns to GWS to get pick 1

 

[Giant Heart]

Fair enough, read posters like Ichabod, Elli, Dianod, Land of the Giants and Andre It seems to me they put in the work to know our list well. No doubt I left out others.
I wouldn't be too worried about other boards, dont go looking for a fight though you cant win. Generally their posters need to talk with other posters. Try selling Stewart to Carlton for a second rounder would be a safe start.

Yep. I'm figuring out who knows what around here pretty quickly. It seems most of our posters are fairly well informed. When I get to a few matches next year I'll figure more out for myself.

I haven't found other team boards interesting. The main board is fun, though, and whilst I don't go looking for fights per se, I can't help myself when I see people bagging our club, especially if they're completely ignorant or just full of shit!

 

[dlanod]

Not really, Prestia would not get a game for GWS but pick 6 or the 2017 first rounder might.

sure Prestia is better than Palmer but Palmer is not best 22 for GWS either

I'd argue you're wrong - I would bring Prestia straight in for Hopper, who started our finals. No discussion needed. He'd be a great second inside option after Ward, which is what we were playing Hopper as after it being a weakness for several years. I'd start him above Griffen for that matter.

 

[Mr Magic]

I'd argue you're wrong - I would bring Prestia straight in for Hopper, who started our finals. No discussion needed. He'd be a great second inside option after Ward, which is what we were playing Hopper as after it being a weakness for several years. I'd start him above Griffen for that matter.

Hopper is superior, end of story.

Prestia above Griffen is laughable!

I would rather Steele or WHE to be honest!


BTW, pretty obvious now if Treloar stayed at GWS the premiership for 2016 would be in Western Sydney!

 

[dlanod]

How good is Marchbank and is he actually worth pick #5? I was talking to my Dad tonight and he said Carlton has two Round 1. picks this year? Something about it being from Geelong last year and it would depend on where Geelong finished on the ladder this year?

So it would be a late first round pick, or something like that, if my understanding of the scenario was correct. And, would Carlton then presumably try and trade that for Marchbank, or is that already being used for a trade target somewhere else?

The club (GWS) seems to do everything right regarding drafting. Carlton seem to want to pinch a lot of our players. Silvagni would not want to try and pull the wool over our eyes, but if Carlton supporters are anything to go by, I think he might be!

Marchbank was a surprisingly good addition to the team at the end of his first year.

Pros:
- A top 10 pick only two years ago.
- Played well when not injured.
- Talls take longer to develop, so we wouldn't have seen his ceiling yet.

Cons:
- Injured frequently so we haven't seen his best.
- Only been in the system two years so we haven't seen his best.
- When an uncontracted player wants out, the team who drafted him gets screwed.

I don't think anyone seriously is asking for pick 5 in return. We're largely realists. However anyone arguing that he's only worth a second rounder needs their head read. In a reasonable world we'd get at least a pick from 10 to 15 in return, but there's a fair chance it's in the 15 to 20 range. If it's an upgrade from 15 to 5, I'd be hoping we get some later future picks back to beef up the value a bit. Maybe a future third (or second if we can spin it) rounder.

 

[dlanod]

Hopper is superior, end of story.

Prestia above Griffen is laughable!

I would rather Steele or WHE to be honest!

I'm going with "you haven't watched Prestia much", plus a touch of "you didn't watch Griffen much this year" and maybe some "Hopper isn't better currently, though he probably will be".

 

[Mr Magic]

I'm going with "you haven't watched Prestia much", plus a touch of "you didn't watch Griffen much this year" and maybe some "Hopper isn't better currently, though he probably will be".

I am going with Prestia is not worth Griffen who is not worth Boyd and a pick which cost GWS the premiership and a bigger legacy not to mention not trading out McCarthy earlier and keeping Treloar!!

I mean GWS not winning this year probably cost me 10 grand but I won anyway but most GWS supporters should know who the traitors where at the club that screwed the players and supporters and left to their next endeavour elsewhere!!

 

[dlanod]

I am going with Prestia is not worth Griffen who is not worth Boyd and a pick which cost GWS the premiership and a bigger legacy not to mention not trading out McCarthy earlier and keeping Treloar!!

I mean GWS not winning this year probably cost me 10 grand but I won anyway but most GWS supporters should know who the traitors where at the club that screwed the players and supporters and left to their next endeavour elsewhere!!

Between your latest post and your little addition to your previous post you now appear to be rambling aimlessly rather than actually discussing the merits of where players would fit in our best 22. Congrats on that. Maybe don't quote a post if you don't intend to discuss it.

 

[Colonial]

I am going with Prestia is not worth Griffen who is not worth Boyd and a pick which cost GWS the premiership and a bigger legacy not to mention not trading out McCarthy earlier and keeping Treloar!!

I mean GWS not winning this year probably cost me 10 grand but I won anyway but most GWS supporters should know who the traitors where at the club that screwed the players and supporters and left to their next endeavour elsewhere!!

A rant and a half with not one element of truth and nothing to do with the thread.

 

[combaning]

Give Me Magic a break. She/he probably floated in by accident as the ship they are on has no rudder.

 

[reload141]

Craig Cameron saying they will deal 5 & 7 for 1 if we are interested, was just on Trade Radio.

 

[Colonial]

Craig Cameron saying they will deal 5 & 7 for 1 if we are interested, was just on Trade Radio.

In another thread it was reported that it wouldnt include 7 but a later pick.

 

[reload141]

In another thread it was reported that it wouldnt include 7 but a later pick.

Just repeating what he said.... the basis was 5 + 7 for 1 and it would totally be up to Essendon if we wanted to do that deal... seemed really confident that it was on the table which is strange to be saying it this early