Trade period / National Draft 2024

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[tigerfan1961]

Looks like it is going to be an interesting off season for us. The trade period is shaping up as a big one, and the results from that could mean an engaging draft for us to watch as we look to restock the shelves with some quality young talent.

Yep, I’m genuinely pumped to see what we do this off season. Imagine the excitement going in to next year with so many new toys, as Dimma said

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

He was great yesterday apart from the 1 kick in which was laughably horrific

We really don't need him though.

Let's hope norf do #1

 

[jesterx]

Grimes has strategically wrecked his back so cant play for the rest of the year so he gets another contract for a farewell game in R1 next year. thats captain smarts right there

 

[Sphynx]

Its a good point, he fits a need more for them than us. They already have the silk and speed, just lack the grunt. We are the opposite.

I think the opposite.

I think a lot of recruiters do also.

 

[tiger_tough]

I think the opposite.

I think a lot of recruiters do also.

Who do you think would suit roos the most?

 

[Sphynx]

Who do you think would suit roos the most?

Probably FOS or Lalor.

Some point of difference mids with versatility.

 

[juss]

What if we take the best KPP with our first pick? If there's a clear cut KPF come draft night I wouldn't be against it

There's no KPF worth top 3.

Some might argue Trainer might be top 3 but taking a KPD with our first is silly

 

[THE_GUN]

2 top 10 picks ain't happening

Maybe not straight up but with richmond throwing in 2 later picks it bloody well could happen

GC are desperate and they dont need picks

 

[Turka]

Sam Lalor is a beast, and he’s not 18 until the end of August…Upside huge…He was literally taking the piss against some good (but not great) Bushies midfielders…There’s some vision of the Bushies boys pouncing on a ball (to pad their stats), but Sam keeps his feet and feeds it out…9 inside 50’s…Has to be in the conversation for our first…

 

[Cleansweep17]

There's no KPF worth top 3.

Some might argue Trainer might be top 3 but taking a KPD with our first is silly

Gibcus was our first in 2021 lol.

I wanted Hobbs in that draft. Was pissed when they called Gibcus.

Not sure who got the better deal yet tbh.

 

[Cleansweep17]

ESPN June Power Rankings

1 Josh Smillie (May ranking: 1)
Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro
MID, 194cm
Talent League: 5 games, 28.2 disposals, 4.0 marks, 1.6 goals

Smillie is a bulldozing inside midfielder with a penetrating kick, and has put together the best top-age campaign of anyone in his class. Some questions still linger on his outside game and ability to use his height in the air, where his obvious advantages haven't quite come to the fore. The 194cm midfielder started his championships campaign with 17 disposals against the Allies.

2. Finn O'Sullivan (2)
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Country
MID, 182cm
Talent League: 1 game, 15 disposals, 2 marks, 4 tackles

O'Sullivan has endured a frustrating campaign to date, but his ability as a hardworking midfielder with aerial prowess remains unquestioned. The ball-winner is in line to return for Vic Country after playing only two games this year due to hand injuries.

3. Sid Draper (6)
South Adelaide/South Australia
MID, 182cm
2023SANFL U18s: 14 games, 21.6 disposals, 4.2 clearances, 0.6 goals

All of Draper's power and class have been on display for South Australia at the carnival after overcoming a stress fracture earlier in the year. He's a brute on the inside, belying his size to win contested ball and explode from contest. Draper won his state's MVP last year and is on track to do so again.

4. Jagga Smith (4)
Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro
MID, 181cm
Talent League: 5 games, 30.6 disposals, 3.6 marks, 2.8 tackles

Smith has led from the front for a disappointing Chargers team, and led all players on the ground with 32 disposals for Vic Metro. He takes the ball from the inside to outside better than anyone in the draft and has the neat skills to release players into space by hand and foot.

5. Levi Ashcroft (3)
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
MID, 179cm
Talent League: 3 games, 27.3 disposals, 4.7 marks, 1.3 goals

The younger brother of Will, Levi Ashcroft has similar accumulation ability and can hit the scoreboard when play forward of centre. He doesn't possess Will's top-end speed but his hands in congestion are more developed at this stage of his career. Ashcroft is linked to the Lions through their academy and father-son ties.

6. Leonardo Lombard (9)
SUNS Academy/Allies
MID/FWD, 178cm
Talent League: 2 games, 25.0 disposals, 2.5 marks, 0.5 goals

Lombard has starred at the national championships, ripping the ball out of contests and proving ultra damaging in the forward half. He won a VFL premiership last year and has split his time between the Talent League and VFL this season.

Rest of the rankings here

Only Smillie interests me. Everybody else is a short ass. I don’t want our top picks being players that would constantly get out marked for the next decade. I’m sick to death of it.

Get multiple mids that are 187cm+. I want powerful Richmond midfielders and mid/fwds not like f’ing Dow who looks like the wind will blow him away.

 

[THE_GUN]

Sam Lalor is our man
Norf can have Smelly

 

[Profop]

Only Smillie interests me. Everybody else is a short ass. I don’t want our top picks being players that would constantly get out marked for the next decade. I’m sick to death of it.

Get multiple mids that are 187cm+. I want powerful Richmond midfielders and mid/fwds not like f’ing Dow who looks like the wind will blow him away.

FOS is supposedly to be very good overhead

I really hope he plays some champs games

 

[richoatthedisco]

FOS is supposedly to be very good overhead

I really hope he plays some champs games

FOS would outmark Smillie 9 times out of 10.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Eagle fans reckons the tigers have no leverage and that they will get Baker for a 2nd round pick.

 

[GoTigers2015]

More West Coast salt

 

[tigs2010]

More West Coast salt

When we get them lets offer the 2 firsts for Harlet Reid. They seem to think that's the price

 

[GoTigers2015]

 

[Stylo]

Prison Break! A man of culture I see.

 

[Morro]

I think the opposite.

I think a lot of recruiters do also.

You would know your list better than me, who is your big body inside beast?

 

[Sphynx]

You would know your list better than me, who is your big body inside beast?

It depends, what are you trying to achieve with a big bodied inside beast?

Clearances, CP's? Tackles?

LDU is one of the best CP and clearance players in the comp.

Wardlaw is basically the best clearance player u/23 in the comp at the moment, along with JHF.

Wardlaw just shades him for clearances won per stoppage attended.

Im excluding Daicos, as his numbers all relate to loose ball and ground ball gets. Not traditional coal face clearance and CP's which is what you are referring when talking of a big body inside beast.

In fairness to Smillie he's not Tom Green or Cripps either in that regard, he's more of a second reciever how LDU operates on occasion. Bontempelli is like this also.


That ESPN article is wild. The questions linger on Smillie's inside game, not his outside game. His outside game is phenomenal for his size. The question is whether he is actually an inside ball winner at AFL level, as he doesn't play that style of game currently. He spreads from contest, he likes to get in repeat chains. He likes to get ground balls around stoppage and exit stoppage. He doesn't necessarily get his nose at the bottom of every pack like Cripps or Green.

Now, this is seen as a positive or a negative depending on who you talk to.

 

[KimKershaw1959]

Gibcus was our first in 2021 lol.

I wanted Hobbs in that draft. Was pissed when they called Gibcus.

Not sure who got the better deal yet tbh.

Hobbs is vanilla and slow

 

[Lsta062]

Smillie is a 194cm mid. Wow.

How’s his tank and speed relative to other draftees from those that know about him?

I’ll be honest and say that I don’t know anything about Smillie, but I sometimes get concerned about taller mids and their ability to integrate into the midfield at AFL-level. For every Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

there are at least a few RCDs.

One thing that sets apart great midfielders from others is that they’re either fast, have great acceleration, or are good in contests. The elite ones are all of the above. What is Smillie like on these points?

Tall mids that are on the slower side end up being put in a completely different role or simply don’t make it when they don’t stand out in contested ability. We want an elite player with our first pick, so there’s a lot to think about here.

Wish we just had a Harley Reid in this draft

 

[Sphynx]

Smillie is a 194cm mid. Wow.

How’s his tank and speed relative to other draftees from those that know about him?

I’ll be honest and say that I don’t know anything about Smillie, but I sometimes get concerned about taller mids and their ability to integrate into the midfield at AFL-level. For every Patrick Cripps there are at least a few RCDs.

One thing that sets apart great midfielders from others is that they’re either fast, have great acceleration, or are good in contests. The elite ones are all of the above. What is Smillie like on these points?

CTL preseason testing.

20m - 3.093
Vertical - 73cm
Agility - 8.501
Yo-yo - 720

Exceptional numbers for his size. Comfortably beats all of Cripps, Green and Bont's numbers in their testing years.

720 Yo-yo is well above average also.

The CTL average is 550-600.

Jagga Smith registered an 820 on the same testing day.

Previous Yo-Yo results for comparison:

Sheezel 1040
O.Hollands 1080
Sanders 840
McKercher 960
H.Reid 520
Watson 640
Duursma 640
Wardlaw 600
Tsatas 550

Sheezel and Hollands both ran around 5:50 2km time trials by way of comparison.

 

[Sphynx]

FOS
20m - 3.046
Vertical - 90cm
Agility - 8.117
Yo-yo - 1000

Jagga Smith
20m - 2.990
Vertical - 75cm
Agility - 8.796
Yo-yo - 840