Training Training Thread 2023

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[zoomba23]

How about waiting and seeing?

Fair

 

[The Dingrel]

They lost Jackson and Weideman, I wouldn't expect Jefferson to play this year so they are going into a premiership contention year with Brown (1.6 goal average last year) and Old McDonald (1.7) as their go to KPFs.

It is a team you really need competent small/medium defenders against, they will rely heavily on Fritsch and Pickett.

Don't discount Van Rooyen.

 

[The Dingrel]

'The West Australian,' an apparent newspaper, were fond of comparing Van Rooyen to Wayne Carey pre-draft.

haha, would have liked him at North, but on that note I think it'll be quite intriguing to see who has a better season, Van Rooboy or Chom. Chom had more time in the system, but reckon Van Rooyen probably played more VFL games!

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Don't discount Van Rooyen.

He is very good. He made the 2nds look like a walk in the park at times.

 

[Shermanator]

He is very good. He made the 2nds look like a walk in the park at times.

Yep he's legit.

 

[The Dingrel]

Well it may appear that way but it isn't. al clarko had actually taken it back to the basics. And is building from there.

Nobles may well have desired say a Goldy to be more aggressive by saying be more aggressive lol. al clarko wouldn't say that to Goldy, would work with his strengths.

Then he also will work to the strengths of the individuals on our list, the game is simple if you're fit enough to get to contests, you'll find the ball.

How many games we win, I don't know, but I don't think many sides will kick our arse, we will run in numbers back and forth, no easy avenues to goal for our opponents, well like it has been.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, actually, we all will be.

I just did the Squiggle ladder predictor.....overall its very similar to their AI auto predictor more or less. I have us in 12th winning 7 games, they have us winning 5 and on the bottom again. I think our Tassie games are all winnable. My view is the comp isn't as close as their simulation, I think 6-12 could be wide open, but suspect 8th will require 13 or 14 wins. So I don't see us surprising to make finals, but 9 or 10 wins would be a pleasant surprise, and a good launchpad for 2024.

 

[Frogginton McPowell]

He made our top 10 in the B&F in 2021 playing down back and was playing in defence in the back half of that year when there was a pretty positive vibe about the direction we were heading. Based on last year's form he isn't in our best 22 but I think he is capable of being.



The articles have said he will spend a bit more time there, I think when he stays forward he can go missing for long periods of time, I am guessing Clarkson plans to push him in the middle to get going when he is getting frostbite up forward.



I wouldn't be surprised if we have a lot of soft tissue injuries this year and I don't think it is due to negligence from our strength and conditioning staff but gut running hasn't been our strong suit and we leak goals like a sieve during red time of quarters due to fatigue. There is no easy way to fastrack endurance training.



I think he is just preparing players to play a variety of roles. If CZ is on fire up forward and kicking a bag of goals he obviously isn't going to throw him in the middle. When s**t isn't working during games and people expect him to make changes during games what is useless magnet shuffling is throwing players in roles they have no clue how to play as a team. CZ is being prepared for what it is going to take to play in the middle because you can't just follow the ball, each line has structures and roles they need to play. You aren't going to learn these roles on gameday, you need to practice them during training.

Great post Tas. Spot on with every point.

Wasn't JZ actually top 3 in 2021? I think people's perception of him down back was tainted badly by the first 3 rounds of last year. Used correctly I think he can be a genuine weapon for us down there. Even dare I say it play that "hodge" role as the general down back that organises everyone that people were crying out for us to bring someone in from outside the club to play.

Can't wait to see Curtis and Bull in bursts on ball. Will give us totally different dynamic at times. People seem to be overlooking the fact that if we're planning to rotate our mids forward then obviously at times some of the forwards will have to rotate mid.

Are you suggesting we may have the coaching, systems, training and planning in place to have a plan b or even possibly c on game day?? Hell hath frozen over...

 

[zoomba23]

He made our top 10 in the B&F in 2021 playing down back and was playing in defence in the back half of that year when there was a pretty positive vibe about the direction we were heading. Based on last year's form he isn't in our best 22 but I think he is capable of being.



The articles have said he will spend a bit more time there, I think when he stays forward he can go missing for long periods of time, I am guessing Clarkson plans to push him in the middle to get going when he is getting frostbite up forward.



I wouldn't be surprised if we have a lot of soft tissue injuries this year and I don't think it is due to negligence from our strength and conditioning staff but gut running hasn't been our strong suit and we leak goals like a sieve during red time of quarters due to fatigue. There is no easy way to fastrack endurance training.



I think he is just preparing players to play a variety of roles. If CZ is on fire up forward and kicking a bag of goals he obviously isn't going to throw him in the middle. When s**t isn't working during games and people expect him to make changes during games what is useless magnet shuffling is throwing players in roles they have no clue how to play as a team. CZ is being prepared for what it is going to take to play in the middle because you can't just follow the ball, each line has structures and roles they need to play. You aren't going to learn these roles on gameday, you need to practice them during training.

Your last three points are pretty solid and more reasoned than my fear driven rambles. Vehemently disagree on the first one though.

JZ was out of his depth in 2021. It doesn't matter that he was top whatever in the best and fairest, he was a liability. Couldn't mark any tall forward, most medium forwards could outrun him, his kicks skied out of the back 50 like balloons, and his stats were inflated by Nobles' inexplicable gameplan of he and Hall playing kick to kick together. The praise he received in the media was mind boggling to me. Anyone could see that he wasn't making us a better team down there.

It's really the scarring from that year that makes me worry that history will repeat. He's been a warrior and we owe him a lot for what he's given the club, but I can't see an outcome where other defenders don't displace him. I guess the one piece of solace I take is that competition for spots is a positive thing, so if he, or other defenders in his position, are travelling well, then it forces others, or him, to lift their game.

 

[danj]

Crickey if Cunners stays fit there’s your reason for calling top 8 right there

 

[zoomba23]

Crickey if Cunners stays fit there’s your reason for calling top 8 right there

The comeback of the dinosaurs would literally be more likely. Let's just all calm down

 

[Midas]

It's not really about that. Mick won three flags, with innumerable finals appearances, and still made a shitshow of it at Carlton.

Granted, there are plenty of factors in our favour that weren't existent during Mick's Carlton tenure, but I'd say the current mindset of a coach is more important than his resume. Atm Clarko's mindset seems extremely brave, and I'm just questioning if the lads have the capacity to immediately repay that faith

Mick also coached Collingwood after two flags at West Coast to three GF’s and a premiership. I think Clarkon is closer to Malthouse Collingwood version than Malthouse geriatric, bitter and twisted Carlton version. He has the fire in the belly and not to prove anyone wrong like old Mick who was past it did at Carlton. I’ve got a lot of faith.

 

[Midas]

Your last three points are pretty solid and more reasoned than my fear driven rambles. Vehemently disagree on the first one though.

JZ was out of his depth in 2021. It doesn't matter that he was top whatever in the best and fairest, he was a liability. Couldn't mark any tall forward, most medium forwards could outrun him, his kicks skied out of the back 50 like balloons, and his stats were inflated by Nobles' inexplicable gameplan of he and Hall playing kick to kick together. The praise he received in the media was mind boggling to me. Anyone could see that he wasn't making us a better team down there.

It's really the scarring from that year that makes me worry that history will repeat. He's been a warrior and we owe him a lot for what he's given the club, but I can't see an outcome where other defenders don't displace him. I guess the one piece of solace I take is that competition for spots is a positive thing, so if he, or other defenders in his position, are travelling well, then it forces others, or him, to lift their game.

Team defence all over might influence that ‘liability’

 

[zoomba23]

Mick also coached Collingwood after two flags at West Coast to three GF’s and a premiership. I think Clarkon is closer to Malthouse Collingwood version than Malthouse geriatric, bitter and twisted Carlton version. He has the fire in the belly and not to prove anyone wrong like old Mick who was past it did at Carlton. I’ve got a lot of faith.

Hence the mention of the factors that are in our favour. Clarko's three years younger than Mick was in 2010, having coached one solitary season more than Mick had when he arrived at Collingwood. In terms of parallels, I'd agree that Clarko coming to us is reminiscent of Mick going to Collingwood. The example I gave of Carlton was really just used to indicate that a prolific resume does not automatically indicate future success.

I have faith that we'll be in a prelim in 2025/6, and will have played in a GF by 2027. I really do. But the speed of our rise really depends on getting the basics right at the moment. Foundational building blocks first, then the cherries and cream on top. But as others have noted, it's pre season and I'm probably still scarred enough from the last few years that I'm searching for and finding problems rather than actually seeing them. We'll see

 

[zoomba23]

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Team defence all over might influence that ‘liability’

Team defence doesn't absolve one of one's 1-on-1 responsibilities. It stunts the opposition's attack slightly but if you're in the back 6 and not playing the attacking half-back role, you need defensive nous

 

[KiwiRoo]

I just did the Squiggle ladder predictor.....overall its very similar to their AI auto predictor more or less. I have us in 12th winning 7 games, they have us winning 5 and on the bottom again. I think our Tassie games are all winnable. My view is the comp isn't as close as their simulation, I think 6-12 could be wide open, but suspect 8th will require 13 or 14 wins. So I don't see us surprising to make finals, but 9 or 10 wins would be a pleasant surprise, and a good launchpad for 2024.

After getting more burnt than Niki Lauda thinking we were on the way up after reading all last years pre season reports,I'm going to wait until the bye round before I make any predictions on how many games we'll win !

My head tells me that i think it will be next year before we see the gains. It's a massive ask turning around a side that were as fit as an aqua jogging class at the retirement village and the tactical nous of an Auskick team.
We need to get so much more professional and I'm not sure one pre-season will do it.

anyway, Im always wrong as my wife tells me..so top 4 here we come !

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

The comeback of the dinosaurs would literally be more likely. Let's just all calm down

Yeah or next someone will start comparing Clarko to Noble

 

[blackshadow]

Yeah or next someone will start comparing Clarko to Noble

That sounds like some Nostradamic shit

 

[danj]

The comeback of the dinosaurs would literally be more likely. Let's just all calm down

Pretty happy to be not calm

 

[Shermanator]

After getting more burnt than Niki Lauda thinking we were on the way up after reading all last years pre season reports,I'm going to wait until the bye round before I make any predictions on how many games we'll win !

My head tells me that i think it will be next year before we see the gains. It's a massive ask turning around a side that were as fit as an aqua jogging class at the retirement village and the tactical nous of an Auskick team.
We need to get so much more professional and I'm not sure one pre-season will do it.

anyway, Im always wrong as my wife tells me..so top 4 here we come !

Yep we’re still miles off it, the shenanigans of the past 3 years has all but stopped our development.

I’d say Clarko is picking up a group that’s effectively in a second year rebuild, when really we should be in our 4th year and challenging for finals wins..

Thank god we’ve finally got a Master Builder laying the foundations on this house, not a dodgey back-yard Cowboy you would see on A Current Affair that’s just fleeced a couple of retirees of their life savings..

 

[marcmurphy3]

Hey guys,
Any word on whether your internal trial next week is being streamed?

 

[Swallow_Wood]

After getting more burnt than Niki Lauda

Lol

 

[DesertRoo]

Mick also coached Collingwood after two flags at West Coast to three GF’s and a premiership. I think Clarkon is closer to Malthouse Collingwood version than Malthouse geriatric, bitter and twisted Carlton version. He has the fire in the belly and not to prove anyone wrong like old Mick who was past it did at Carlton. I’ve got a lot of faith.

That’s a bit unfair on Mick, he walked into a nightmare scenario at Carlton. It would be like walking into the * job now, half the players/board hate you and blame you for what happened at the previous coach.
They were no world beaters when he took over, there was a lot of B graders that Rutten got the best out of.
the expectation was not close to reality and the only thing to suffer was Micks reputation.
It’ll be interesting to see how the stkilda situation plays out from here because it’s a similar situation.

 

[shinboner magic]

Hey guys,
Any word on whether your internal trial next week is being streamed?

Free entry
Cmon down - buy a membership

 

[roos 10]

Anyone at training today