Training Training Thread 2023

[Passmore]

50 games / 111 goals is very impressive.

I’d take that and run right now.

 

[Muscles Thommo]

No match sim. The players are 'de-loading after a brutal week'.

So mucking around

 

[marklovesbeer]

Is anyone there to confirm if they are indeed mucking around?

 

[astrovic]

Wasn't JZ actually top 3 in 2021? I think people's perception of him down back was tainted badly by the first 3 rounds of last year.

I agree with you and Tas about JZ. But to pick up on your point, that perception was odd even at the time:

Round 1 against Hawthorn, the criticism of JZ came from the second half when he had to stand Mitch Lewis after McKay got injured (concussed I think). Lewis did him badly in a couple of 1 on 1 high ball marking contests...as someone 10 cms taller should! IIRC Ziebell stood on the back of Lewis' foot in one of them making JZ stumble - that happens, can't really blame him for that. And he's never ever been a key position defender, so criticising him for not being one was a bit odd.

Round 2 JZ got 29 touches and a brownlow vote against the East Perth no. 4 team. Nuff said.

Round 3 we got pumped by Brisbane and everything smelled. Especially the forward line and midfield whose structure fell apart, meaning that every rebound 50 was immediately followed by an inside 50 for them. He had a team high 8 rebound 50's, but to where? There was no one to kick to. Everything smelled.

Round 4 JZ was sent forward to try and deal with the forward line disaster - he kicks 5, is BOG and Noble decides that's where he's needed, even when it becomes awfully clear he's really needed down back again and even though he starts getting frostbite.

In hindsight, the move of JZ forward was a disaster. Looks like we'll find out whether returning him to defence will be a winner - there's still a question over whether he is cooked, or just looked cooked last year when playing in Siberia - but yeah I think people's perceptions weren't entirely on the money in those first 3 rounds.

 

[shinboner magic]

50 games / 111 goals is very impressive.

The last few years of taken 111 games and 50 goals

 

[Ahern2Boof]

Took the little fella down for the first time hoping to get some photos with the players during their little Friday interaction with fans, but all players left the track quickly after training. Think they have filming on at Channel 7 this afternoon which would explain why.

 

[Moti]

I’m no fan of him playing defence on an opponent, best I could think is maybe a loose man in defence. I’d relax on CZ it sounded more like it was a impact blast in the middle. Hoping sheezel/comben/Curtis and even Stephenson provide forward spark for the short bursts CZ spends there.

Let’s not forget CZs starts in the last two seasons, it could be a good circuit breaker if things aren’t working out up fwd

No JHF or TT, we lack athletic difference-makers in the midfield again. Wardlaw is not ready either so our lack of speed will hurt.

 

[DesertRoo]

No JHF or TT, we lack athletic difference-makers in the midfield again. Wardlaw is not ready either so our lack of speed will hurt.

LDU?

 

[Moti]

LDU?

He is the one.

 

[rickety]

Are you serious? Reckon you need a coffee ️

Or a snickers

 

[Moti]

I agree with you and Tas about JZ. But to pick up on your point, that perception was odd even at the time:

Round 1 against Hawthorn, the criticism of JZ came from the second half when he had to stand Mitch Lewis after McKay got injured (concussed I think). Lewis did him badly in a couple of 1 on 1 high ball marking contests...as someone 10 cms taller should! IIRC Ziebell stood on the back of Lewis' foot in one of them making JZ stumble - that happens, can't really blame him for that. And he's never ever been a key position defender, so criticising him for not being one was a bit odd.

Round 2 JZ got 29 touches and a brownlow vote against the East Perth no. 4 team. Nuff said.

Round 3 we got pumped by Brisbane and everything smelled. Especially the forward line and midfield whose structure fell apart, meaning that every rebound 50 was immediately followed by an inside 50 for them. He had a team high 8 rebound 50's, but to where? There was no one to kick to. Everything smelled.

Round 4 JZ was sent forward to try and deal with the forward line disaster - he kicks 5, is BOG and Noble decides that's where he's needed, even when it becomes awfully clear he's really needed down back again and even though he starts getting frostbite.

In hindsight, the move of JZ forward was a disaster. Looks like we'll find out whether returning him to defence will be a winner - there's still a question over whether he is cooked, or just looked cooked last year when playing in Siberia - but yeah I think people's perceptions weren't entirely on the money in those first 3 rounds.

Jack went forward as we needed to get a better mix in defence. This year we add him back and boy do we look slow. His possessions are largely meaningless , and to be fair so are McKay's. Why? Because they don't provide positive attacking worth and we have lacked HB attack for a while.

Also someone said he was great at organising the backline, he can point for sure but that defence has been out of sorts for years. If the likes of LMAC and BMAC and new guys like Logue can't provide leadership, we will be on the bottom for a very long time.

 

[The Nostradamus]

With Corr in doubt for round 1 it makes it easier to slot JZ to defence.

When both available only 1 should play (corr)

 

[zoomba23]

Yeah or next someone will start comparing Clarko to Noble

People's expectations for this year seem to be unreasonably high simply based on the fact that we have a 4x premiership coach. I'm positive he'll take us to a GF, but it'll take time. I just don't want to see players in positions where they look lost or out of their depth and the team suffers as a result, that's really all there is to this

 

[Le Grille]

No JHF or TT, we lack athletic difference-makers in the midfield again. Wardlaw is not ready either so our lack of speed will hurt.

Fair point. I think this is where sheils/howe hold value not so much super explosive but they know how to run at the top level.

LDU has explosiveness , hopefully Phillips /cunners/Powell (who should be on ball) can grab the grunt work to unlock LDU further and to a lesser extent Jy (so he’s not having to do it all)

Stevo has the tools to really help in this and hopefully Clarko can get him running all day providing link ups and distribution.

By no way are we the finished article but we can easily be better than the past couple of seasons

 

[zoomba23]

Pretty happy to be not calm

As long as that not calmness doesn't devolve into rage and fury at the first thrashing we receive this year

 

[Le Grille]

As long as that not calmness doesn't devolve into rage and fury at the first thrashing we receive this year

There will be games that we will cop a touch up.

We just need some games where we are the touchers

 

[Rod Stroker]

Fair point. I think this is where sheils/howe hold value not so much super explosive but they know how to run at the top level.

LDU has explosiveness , hopefully Phillips /cunners/Powell (who should be on ball) can grab the grunt work to unlock LDU further and to a lesser extent Jy (so he’s not having to do it all)

Stevo has the tools to really help in this and hopefully Clarko can get him running all day providing link ups and distribution.

By no way are we the finished article but we can easily be better than the past couple of seasons

Stevo kicked 40+ goals in his first year and won the RS, so he knows how to find the sticks. I don't know why we don't just stick him in the forward line when we are screaming out for goals. We have enough other (better?) options for wingers and link up players, Stevo has been unable to nail down and perform in that spot himself.

 

[Mjs94]

Fair point. I think this is where sheils/howe hold value not so much super explosive but they know how to run at the top level.

LDU has explosiveness , hopefully Phillips /cunners/Powell (who should be on ball) can grab the grunt work to unlock LDU further and to a lesser extent Jy (so he’s not having to do it all)

Stevo has the tools to really help in this and hopefully Clarko can get him running all day providing link ups and distribution.

By no way are we the finished article but we can easily be better than the past couple of seasons

Phillips will also add a defensive edge that no one (except maybe Greenwood) currently does. The second time we played the Dogs in '21 I sat behind the goals and it was very obvious that even in his first year his defensive instincts were better than Cunners, Jy and LDU.

 

[Le Grille]

Stevo kicked 40+ goals in his first year and won the RS, so he knows how to find the sticks. I don't know why we don't just stick him in the forward line when we are screaming out for goals. We have enough other (better?) options for wingers and link up players, Stevo has been unable to nail down and perform in that spot himself.

Yep, I guess I was looking at his running abilities but yeah as a fwd he also has potential. Just need him to deliver on his promise

 

[Shermanator]

There will be games that we will cop a touch up.

We just need some games where we are the touchers

 

[Le Grille]

Thought you’d like that

 

[berniemccarthy]

Some pics my brother took at today’s training

 

[spurs]

Geez, CZ looks the fittest he’s ever been

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

No JHF or TT, we lack athletic difference-makers in the midfield again. Wardlaw is not ready either so our lack of speed will hurt.

LDU? Stephenson? Goater? Philips has got toe.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]